The 'ability' to permanently fail quests is infuriating!

[Dragon]

How this game features the 'ability' to fail quests is absolutely infuriating.

I failed the Saving Private Ryan quest because the Ryan NPC automatically ran ahead of me and straight into the first trash mob he saw, before I even had any idea what was going on.

I failed a tower defense map because I didn't have enough resources to build traps on every part of every lane, nor can I stand myself in every lane at the same time, nor can I dispatch Katarina to fight for me in a different lane than the one I'm standing in.

In other words, that failure was totally unfair and solely because the TD maps are ludicrious unbalanced against the player.

Later on, I entered another TD map without even knowing it was TD until after I was already on it (at which point there is no way to leave the map other than by beating the map or failing to beat it). I read on this board that you can switch the difficulty to the easiest setting in order to beat TD.

So I switched the difficulty to the easiest setting, then still I lost anyway on Wave 3 of 6, because the creeps were attacking me in giant hordes from 3 different lanes simultaneously, and I had nowhere close to enough traps to defend all of them, and as aforementioned, I could only be in one place at one time.

There are a whole lot of design errors compressed into the things I've described, but the biggest and most egregious one is the fact the game does not allow the player to Retry these quests if they are failed. There is no good reason whatsoever for the game to prevent the player from doing this.

The fact that it does prevent Retries serves only to aggravate the player by forcing them to have an infuriating experience.

They really should patch this so that any failable quest can be Retried as many times as the player wants.

[Bleydoka]

this stupid private ryan quest and the lost skill points, frustrated me so much that i quitted the game.

i play these games cause i love to collect items and optimize my build. i really hate to lose stuff permanently after many hours of play.

[mikeydsc]

You do know you can clear the map before going after him right? Just because you have a quest DOES NOT mean it has to be done right now.

Plan ahead, there are alot of escort quests so be prudent in clearing out the areas so they are much easier.


The TD maps are well balanced and it means you are building the map incorrectly. I and many others had no issues and beaten every single thing this game has to offer and comparing this game to others of its ilk, this game is fairly easy compared to some.

If you are having issues, its best to ask for help instead of going off half ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

I made an exhaustive guide in the guide section offering lots of tips. Its there for the reading.

Hope it helps you as it has many others.

[Dragon]

Originally posted by mikeydsc:

You do know you can clear the map before going after him right?

The TD maps are well balanced and it means you are building the map incorrectly. I and many others had no issues and beaten every single thing this game has to offer and comparing this game to others of its ilk, this game is fairly easy compared to some.

How does one "clear the map" of infinitely-spawning pod drops, exactly???

And anyway, no, I didn't know that. Nor did I know that the quest could be failed, or that he was prone to running off ahead on his own into trash mobs for no reason whatsoever. Even if I did know all that stuff before it happened, it would still be awful design anyway.

If I am "building TD incorrectly," that that bespeaks horrible design, because the game only gives the player about 10% of the resources that would be needed in order to build a sufficient number of towers to hold off all the enemy waves. If it was properly-balanced so that it gave the correct number of resources, then it would be possible to build correctly.

[mikeydsc]

Games can give you enough rope to hang yourself. Escort quests mean you need to get out front and use an AoE spell or attack to clear fast and keep moving. Don't get to far ahead as if you go wrong way then its same thing...dead.

Not all games will hold your hand nor make things easy for you.

After playing thru this 5 times, you just learn things like you do in any other game. Allot of games have a rogue element of some sort to them. Consider this that part for you.

TD maps has more to do with the what the next wave consists of than just placing things anywhere. Look for choke pints, look for where a turret can overlap a couple spots so it gets to fire 2x at a target. Use the synergies of the towers together. Click on the wave info icon to get an idea of what to expect in the next wave.

There are a couple traps that are useless like the spring trap, but you learn that with observation and playing. Spring trap is so spotty to use, its just not worth it.

Also quantity of traps doesn't always beat out quality. Sometimes upgrading a trap is better than a new one.

[Bleydoka]

the escort quest is not possible to beat thats the thing. it's bugged. private ryan is faster than you and dies in 1hit.

you can sugarcoat it like you want but it is miserably disigned and badly programmed. They never fixed their broken quests.

[mikeydsc]

Originally posted by Bleydoka:

the escort quest is not possible to beat thats the thing. it's bugged. private ryan is faster than you and dies in 1hit.

you can sugarcoat it like you want but it is miserably disigned and badly programmed. They never fixed their broken quests.

Sure sure, if I can beat it on a harder difficulty, you should be able to on easier ones.

The guide I wrote has alot of bugs listed as I made a bugs section and this is not on the list.

Guess you young ones just want every single f'ing game to be dumbed down just like all the newer remakes of old games just so you can play game with eyes closed.

Please give me a break.

You can look back at my post history and see many times I absolutely condemn this studio for leaving many things unfinished or broken, The arguments with Datguy13 who is/was a play tester for this game.

Is the game perfect? Nope not by a long shot, is there game breaking bugs? At least devs did fix the majority of those. Allot of nuisance bugs are left that detract from game but its not broken to the point of unplayable.

Theres tons of quests, just move on and chalk it up as a learning experience.

[Bleydoka]

you talk like your such a hardcore player but i think you played on a very low dificulty, if you never experienced the private ryan bug.
with higher difficulty enemies will do more damage but private ryans hp stays the same.
the enemies will kill him in one shot. you can't do much about it but reduce the difficulty, if you know about the bug.

[mikeydsc]

And you talk like someone just wanting the game to hold your hand and give you a free pass - earn it.

Its not bugged you just have to be fast and have a decent build, but why bother with that. Its just easier to come here and whine.

If it was so bugged how come there arent hundreds of posts pointing this out ? Why are the folks who play fearless difficulty not on here backing you up?

[mikeydsc]

[q11] Saving Private Bryan from Petrov
- Select option 1 - Easy Commander when speaking to Petrov to get this quest
-- Find Private Bryan
--- Talk to resistance captain on way
---- Escort Pvt Bryan to same northern drop off point as other quests
----- Completion 5000xp 5000g 1ap 1sp

Excerpt from guide - if I didn't beat it, how would I know the rewards?

There is a trick but since noone is interested I will keep it to myself. Good luck

[Bleydoka]

because nobody plays this game anymore i found several threads pointing this bug out.
you can play poe, its more polished, faster gameplay, better endgame and active community.

[Mothvibe]

Originally posted by mikeydsc:

Escort quests mean you need to get out front and use an AoE spell or attack to clear fast and keep moving. Don't get to far ahead as if you go wrong way then its same thing...dead.

That is literally the exact opposite of what an escort quest actually is. Your comment proves the OP correct.

Sure, you guys were able to do it, and that's great and all but it doesn't mean the game is actually well designed. I was able to finish Agents of Mayhem and Vermintide 2, that doesn't mean that they don't both suffer from severe design flaws.

[OldFartAtPlay]

Aside from the trick, speed (there's a Trophy for that, if your char doesn't have the skill, power up or ability) and/or ranged attack, or an offensive Lady K.

I make that 3 methods, and all work for me . There's more life in a salad bowl than there is in that Private, recce it on a YT/Twitch playback and have fun ^^

[Bleydoka]

he gets one shot from anything and i always play on the highest difficult i dont kill mobs fast

[OldFartAtPlay]

Well, if you keep trying to do it the same way, you'll always get the same result.

Watch some playthroughs, learn how far you can get from him until he stops, look for other avenues, they're there just waiting for you to discover them, regardless of difficulty level.

[HiFive]

I have not played the final cut version of Van Helsing yet, but the part of the story you are referring to is in Van Helsing II. (I purchased Van Helsing, Van Helsing II, and Van Helsing III separately. I just bought the Final Cut last December and will play it eventually.)

Anyway, I didn't like Van Helsing II at first because it starts with the battle scene and was very confusing, so I skipped over to Van Helsing III and played that. I wanted to master all 3 games so I went back to Van Helsing II, determined to learn it. After running several characters through it, I finally understood how to play out the entire scene. You won't be successful with Private Bryan until you have leveled up a little more and improved your build so you can kill the mobs faster. Hence, clearing most of the other objectives on the map first is a good idea. After a while, you notice the pattern of mobs that will always show up and you plan for them.

I've leveled many characters on Van Helsing II, on every difficulty and every class, and now it's my favorite one out of the series! I don't like tower defense stuff, so I let my helpers take care of that part, and I've learned which helper to send on the mission and how many resources I need to have before sending them out. There is also a guide for those who want play this part of the game like this.

In conclusion: The game is not broken and does not need fixing. It's not absolutely necessary to save Private Bryan. It won't break your character if you don't save him. The reward isn't so huge that you can't compensate for it in other ways. If you want more xp or gear, you can get it from respawning maps. Look up some guides, as has been suggested, or keep trying it in different ways. You WILL figure it out! Best of luck to you.