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Many of us who have played the series since the beginning saw a drastic shift in how characters in the series were treated when it came to BL3. The problem is not that there are gay or whatever in the game. Problem is when traits of characters overtake the lore and story, as well as sideline those staple characters to put certain ones at the forefront seemingly for the sole purpose of "representation".
The game should not be about "awareness" or pushing any kind of message or agenda. It is a video game that should be made for enjoyment. If one wants a game that prioritizes some kind of message or such, create a new game series instead of trying to tear apart an existing one.
For the most part I enjoyed the GLT DLC. I really only had 2 issues with it. The first being the big cinematic at the end seemed out of place for what the Borderlands series is about. I would say that about practically any pairing in the series. The exception would be claptrap as he would get electrocuted or such which would fit in to the style of the games. My other complaint was they took the spark out of Gaige, almost like she was forced into the DLC as a placeholder instead of the awesome character she was from BL2.
When a game about vault hunting and established lore and characters is shoved to the side to push representation and prioritize certain characters over others, that is what ruins a game. It can be argued it pushes discrimination in the other direction instead of removing it.
To put it simple, video game is supposed to be for fun. It is not to be a soapbox or push an agenda for any group or individual.
In the main game certain groups/categories of characters seemed to be made important/pivotal on those characteristics alone. Instead of building them up on their own merits within the game world they sidelined other groups to artificially make them look better in comparison.
So the perception is the quality of the game (lore, writing, character development) was sacrificed for quantity (more obvious inclusiveness, awareness, discriminating against other groups as a result).
And I stand by that bad writing, including that which ruins an existing story, ends up insulting those it tries to placate with "inclusiveness". Don't let quantity overshadow quality.
b3+ttwl feels like they're more targeted for them exclusive group, with the general audience consciously/unconsciously feeling like they're forced to bow down to them exclusive group to enjoy b3+ttwl. extra suck for fans of og old school borderlands entries that can't play some parts of b3+ttwl due to the banning in several countries. would have been much better if b3+ttwl try to be like its oldskool predecessors making sure eveyone can have fun instead of making sure them exclusive group gets vip treatment while general audience is forced to clap along and pretend they're enjoying the experience.
ntftb's barrage of new ocs just fails to impress most of the players+newcomers.
If you think that is good then i got sad news for you: You are the toxic biggot.
b3 'fake nerfed simp modernized unanarchist uncyberpunkish monocled gaige': the clowns are running the show now... my story doesn't matter and doesn't exist in the main story... they just want to use me exclusively to sponsor them clowns... fml...
They are not referring to those who are for LGBTQ+ as a bigot, but those who devalue and ruin characters because they were not LGBTQ+. So yes one can be for them and still be a bigot. No group is immune from having any bigots within their ranks.
A video game is to play have enjoyment with story, action, and characters. It is not a sounding board to bring "awareness" to anything. If you really want a video game to be about awareness, then create a new one instead of gutting an existing series just to push a message or checklist. At least that way there is some integrity.
Pushing destroying characters and attacking people for not wanting the game to be destroyed in the name of False inclusivity and lgbtatugaw3++ - that is biggotry.
well then you clearly don't care about how b3 gearbox choose to lazyly disband b2 hunters offscreen unceremoniously like there's no strong bonds between them and the crimson raiders in in b2 when b3 main story clearly showed that the crimson raiders and rhys' atlas desperately needed all the help they can get to survive against the twins's COV and maliwan alliance... complete opposite of how b2 treated b1 hunters with reverence+respect and have them reunited to help b2 hunters and sanctuary people against jack's hyperion genocidal tyranny.
they also confusingly and unsatisfyingly retconned b1.5 ending when the eridian watcher warns the crimson raiders to gather vault hunters to prepare for an ominous great war. lilith even order gaige and axton to not kill aurelia in epitaph and recruit her instead. and suddenly in b3, b2 hunters just disbanded like that.
its like if in avengers end time infinitynitynity thanos war something movie 50% of the marvel heroes main casts that are very relevant in the prequel are somehow missing in the final movie and nobody bothers to reunite them.
do you know who should get a grip on in this case? b3+ era gearbox and their team of writers.
of course, if you only care about gameplay, then go ahead just enjoy whatever borderlands games' gameplay you want. you clearly didn't care about b2 hunters contributions to the franchise' story in the golden b2 era... and you'll probably just ignore the plotholes, retcons and returning character butchering fest happening in b3 because you just want to enjoy its gameplay.
Being that the forum is rather public, you will get people of differing opinions. Having others only agree with your point of view, especially when you are trying to understand the perspective of others, does not result in a discussion but instead a sounding board of "yes men".
I stand by there is no issue with inclusiveness itself. The problem I see is when what is built up in story and lore, or the development of existing characters, is sacrificed in order to force inclusiveness or to push a message of awareness. When you devalue a story or existing characters to switch from a video game to enjoy into pushing a message as a primary priority, I feel that is insulting to those it tries to "represent" and ends up backfiring.
The Borderlands series, which is now 4 games in on the main titles (5 once BL4 is released), is about being a Vault Hunter going through crazy action in a first person shooter perspective. Sure there are LBG, etc. in the game world, but people play a video game to have fun with the action not play it simply because certain character groups exist in it.
People just don't want it to go like "Play this game because it has LBQT!", "ok cool, what is the game like?", "It doesn't matter because it has LBQT so it has everything it needs!, we are so awesome a game company because we have them, don't worry about the story and gameplay because who cares?". A bit extreme but it is the concern voiced by many. Focus on the game and let the inclusiveness occur naturally instead of forced.