Has this game been optimized since launch?

[Al1X1RO]

Back then when the game was released it was for free if you purchased related stuff like GPU or CPU. I basically had and still have PC that was supposed to run this game on recommended or better without any problem, but of course the moment i turned on the game i had low fps and even at lowest it was stuttering quite often.

So has the game been fixed since then? Or its still the same mess? I also keep hearing the game is garbage even tho it has mostly positive on steam.

**********EDIT:
So i have just finished the whole borderlands 2 and now im playing BL3. Even tho im at the very beginning i must say the optimization is milion times better than it was after launch. Tho it does have occasional stutters like when Claptrap got pulled through the gate with magnet and stuff like that. Otherwise its really nice.
But what i noticed is that the whole gameplay feels.. floaty or how should i describe it. Feels like im playing it at 30fps or less even tho my fps sits at 70-80 most of the time.

EDIT: After turning on vsync it was even more floaty so i turned it off again and i locked my fps at the maximum of 80fps and now it feels normal.

[Soüp]

It's still a mess. I don't know if general performance has improved but stuttering is still a very common problem. I can't get rid of it entirely on my system though I was able to substantially reduce it. The game also has tons of UI bugs, which is par for the course for Borderlands.

[Al1X1RO]

Originally posted by Soüp:

It's still a mess. I don't know if general performance has improved but stuttering is still a very common problem. I can't get rid of it entirely on my system though I was able to substantially reduce it. The game also has tons of UI bugs, which is par for the course for Borderlands.

Damn. If its true, how come is mostly positive? Lmao.
I really got robbed back then when i could choose which game i could get for the GPU and CPU. Could have had Breakpoint that was also a free choice. At least i wouldnt have to buy it last year.

I have just recently got to borderlands finally by starting with presequel, about to start 2 and finishing it this time after 23 hours of replying the beginning and never getting past like 20% of the story but if borderlands 3 is that bad then i guess this is the end of the line.
Oh and if i feel like it i might try the first borderlands, but honestly i dont feel so drawn to it.

[DysArt Nataas ®]

My PC has 64GBs of RAM. My GPU is AMD Radeon RX 7800XT Sapphire NITRO+. My CPU is AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D. And SSD disks.

Can't get 144 FPS on Sanctuary III (hub) with "Badass" graphics. Not like I have to play on those, but I thought it'd be child's play for my GPU and CPU. Game came out near the end of 2019, while the card - near the end of 2023. Not like that means it will handle everything prior to that point, but c'mon. Even after taking some settings to lower levels of quality, I still can't seem to reach flawless 144. I do have some stutters here and there (somewhat minor). However DX12 is so much worse still for me. I have to be on DX11 for playable experience - otherwise huge stutters. Granted I didn't test it a whole bunch, so I don't know for sure.

[Soüp]

Originally posted by DysArt Nataas ®:

My PC has 64GBs of RAM. My GPU is AMD Radeon RX 7800XT Sapphire NITRO+. My CPU is AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D. And SSD disks.

Can't get 144 FPS on Sanctuary III (hub) with "Badass" graphics. Not like I have to play on those, but I thought it'd be child's play for my GPU and CPU. Game came out near the end of 2019, while the card - near the end of 2023. Not like that means it will handle everything prior to that point, but c'mon. Even after taking some settings to lower levels of quality, I still can't seem to reach flawless 144. I do have some stutters here and there (somewhat minor). However DX12 is so much worse still for me. I have to be on DX11 for playable experience - otherwise huge stutters. Granted I didn't test it a whole bunch, so I don't know for sure.

Yeah I have a 5800x3D and an RTX 4080 and while I can keep it at 144 fps a lot of the time, the GPU is often running close to 100% and it'll drop below 100 fps in some locations due to CPU bottlenecking. The game is still ridiculously heavy. Unfortunately for me the stuttering is about the same on both DX11 and DX12, and even with texture streaming disabled (which helps a ton) it still happens.

Originally posted by Al1X1RO:

Damn. If its true, how come is mostly positive? Lmao.

Well I'm not sure the stuttering affects everybody, and it actually seems to be fixable for some. But honestly, most gamers either ignore or just don't care about the problems. There have been tons of game releases in recent years with major performance problems (and many never get fixed just like this) but they almost always get largely positive reviews despite that.

[♥♥♥♥♥♥♥]

game unoptimized . my rx6900xt sometimes be struggling in 4k on high settings but at 1440p im capped at 144 hz with no dips. they developers should make one last update to add DLSS/FSR to make up for bad optimization.

[Al1X1RO]

Originally posted by Al1X1RO:

Damn. If its true, how come is mostly positive? Lmao.

Well I'm not sure the stuttering affects everybody, and it actually seems to be fixable for some. But honestly, most gamers either ignore or just don't care about the problems. There have been tons of game releases in recent years with major performance problems (and many never get fixed just like this) but they almost always get largely positive reviews despite that. [/quote] Oh i know, but considering people say the story is bad and other things are also tragic one would think it would sit on like idk 50%? Slightly less? Last night i think i saw it has something over 80%

[Al1X1RO]

The stuttering thing is also a problem in older games, but those can be avoided by disabling PhysX. Had PhysX on high i think and during gunfights with all the effects i could have 20fps and stutters. With PhysX off i had flawless experience.

Well im not sure. Thought that there would be more people over night that would say something good about this game that would make me buy it, but i guess its a pass unless someone else says something really good and convincing before the sale ends on 7th.

[AbedsBrother]

Had to switch to my backup gpu for a bit (R9 Fury), and it runs really well at 1440p ultrawide at Low settings. Using DX11 b/c DX12 is a stutterfest.

If you want to use DX12, you can use the -notexturestreaming launch parameter to smooth things out. This loads all the textures at once when loading a level and mostly eliminates stuttering, but increases load times by a lot. Also need ~13 GB of vram, 12GB isn't enough.

[Soüp]

Originally posted by Al1X1RO:

The stuttering thing is also a problem in older games, but those can be avoided by disabling PhysX. Had PhysX on high i think and during gunfights with all the effects i could have 20fps and stutters. With PhysX off i had flawless experience.

Well im not sure. Thought that there would be more people over night that would say something good about this game that would make me buy it, but i guess its a pass unless someone else says something really good and convincing before the sale ends on 7th.

Yeah but with PhysX there was actually a reason for the performance to tank, and it never stuttered like this game does (at least for me.) I loved playing with PhysX in TPS (unfortunately it made BL2 unstable so I couldn't use it) and I actually find it pretty amusing that the cryo effects are significantly worse in BL3 since it doesn't have PhysX support.

Originally posted by AbedsBrother:

Had to switch to my backup gpu for a bit (R9 Fury), and it runs really well at 1440p ultrawide at Low settings. Using DX11 b/c DX12 is a stutterfest.

If you want to use DX12, you can use the -notexturestreaming launch parameter to smooth things out. This loads all the textures at once when loading a level and mostly eliminates stuttering, but increases load times by a lot. Also need ~13 GB of vram, 12GB isn't enough.

Yeah I've had to use that option, but I don't recall seeing VRAM usage getting anywhere near that high. I haven't really been monitoring it since I determined that I can't improve the game any more though. But even with that option, some random event like a strong enemy dying will cause the game to chug for a full second, or the game will just freeze for 1/4 second completely randomly (thankfully not often.) At least it doesn't drop frames every single time an item drops or I look at a vending machine like it did before I disabled texture streaming...

[Casurin]

Its... quite horribly in terms of how much resources it needs for what it does. But even when it finally came out of crepic-beta normal budget-gaming hardware was fast enough to play it.

Originally posted by Soüp:

Yeah but with PhysX there was actually a reason for the performance to tank

To be fair that was not the fault of PhysX either but rather BL2 royally messing up the settings AND using a very old (outdated at realeas) version and also limiting the CPU-fallback to run in the main game thread.

[Soüp]

Originally posted by Casurin:

Originally posted by Soüp:

Yeah but with PhysX there was actually a reason for the performance to tank

To be fair that was not the fault of PhysX either but rather BL2 royally messing up the settings AND using a very old (outdated at realeas) version and also limiting the CPU-fallback to run in the main game thread.

That doesn't surprise me at all. Probably explains why it was unstable too, the game would just randomly lock up with PhysX enabled on my system, though it worked fine in TPS.

[Michael]

Originally posted by Al1X1RO:

Damn. If its true, how come is mostly positive? Lmao.

Because the game runs just fine.

What confuses some perhaps is it's not a corridor shooter like Doom Eternal so you're not going to get a solid fps on highest settings. Especially when one of those settings sets the view distance. Some algorithms are O(n) or O(n^2) and there's nothing you can do about it - the size of your gpu is immaterial as n grows.

Another thing to notice is that the recommend settings say 16gb ram I wouldn't doubt that many with 10 series graphics card had 8gb ram. Undoubtedly there are going to be issues with lower spec hardware and high settings because of the texture streaming too. Same as with rage but this is nowhere near as bad but it's a potential performance issue if you only consider CPU and GPU when reading specs.

But it's easy enough to get good performance from the game. Especially with newer hardware.

[Al1X1RO]

Originally posted by Michael:

Originally posted by Al1X1RO:

Damn. If its true, how come is mostly positive? Lmao.

Because the game runs just fine.

What confuses some perhaps is it's not a corridor shooter like Doom Eternal so you're not going to get a solid fps on highest settings. Especially when one of those settings sets the view distance. Some algorithms are O(n) or O(n^2) and there's nothing you can do about it - the size of your gpu is immaterial as n grows.

Another thing to notice is that the recommend settings say 16gb ram I wouldn't doubt that many with 10 series graphics card had 8gb ram. Undoubtedly there are going to be issues with lower spec hardware and high settings because of the texture streaming too. Same as with rage but this is nowhere near as bad but it's a potential performance issue if you only consider CPU and GPU when reading specs.

But it's easy enough to get good performance from the game. Especially with newer hardware.

Right now it might, but back then when i got a pc with recommended hardware, no matter how low the settings were i simply couldnt achieve at least stable 60fps so i just quit the game.

I guess i will buy the game again on steam and see how it runs. If its gonna be as bad as it was before ill just refund.

[Michael]

Originally posted by Al1X1RO:

Right now it might, but back then when i got a pc with recommended hardware, no matter how low the settings were i simply couldnt achieve at least stable 60fps so i just quit the game.

I guess i will buy the game again on steam and see how it runs. If its gonna be as bad as it was before ill just refund.

Well you said you got the game free with a GPU or CPU. Like I say the recommended aren't just about CPU or GPU - and perhaps that's why you struggle to get good performance because you upgraded an old system without considering that there's more to the performance than what GPU you have installed?

If you have the same computer system and run the same game you will get the same results. No one is sat at Borderlands HQ optimising the game for 10 series cards are they? Think about it.

My advice would be to save your pocket money and upgrade. I wouldn't waste time trying to get games to run on an old computer - especially games you've already tried and failed. I'd spend that time doing something to make enough money to buy a computer that will run them.

The other alternative is to get a console - much better performance across the lifetime of the console because there's more of a level playing field. Especially if you're happy gaming at low FPS. PC gaming is better than console but you need to throw money at it.

60 fps is pretty easy though - to go back to your original question - I'm seeing dips from 144 fps and thinking "Meh, it's a open world game" - I get 60 fps trivially - on even the highest settings - with 3060 TI so it's not like I have the latest hardware or top of the range either so that's why I wouldn't give the game a bad review based on performance.

But admittedly graphics cards are silly money now. That said if you'd invested the money you spend on your current GPU in Nvidia you'd be able to buy a 4090. Make money before you spend it.

[Casurin]

Originally posted by Michael:

Another thing to notice is that the recommend settings say 16gb ram I wouldn't doubt that many with 10 series graphics card had 8gb ram.

You might want to learn the difference between RAM and VRAM.

Originally posted by Michael:

No one is sat at Borderlands HQ optimising the game for 10 series cards are they? Think about it.

And again you should not write when you don't know the situation.