You know, the big problem with Borderlands...

[Pocahawtness]

..is the huge gaps between releases.

Borderlands isn't repayable enough to stand these delays. I mean its four years now and it could well be as much as another three years before another release.

Mind, I have to say, that I think the secret would be to make the game more repayable, and they could learn a lot from Destiny 2 about that.

[Bankai9212]

The series is still doing well, the fact a good 2 thousand or so still play bl2 some with mods should tell you how replayable they are. Trying to do a live service wouldn’t benefit the series let alone do what destiny 2 has done which is annoy it’s fans.

[Pocahawtness]

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

The series is still doing well, the fact a good 2 thousand or so still play bl2 some with mods should tell you how replayable they are. Trying to do a live service wouldn’t benefit the series let alone do what destiny 2 has done which is annoy it’s fans.

I didn't really mean that aspect of Destiny 2, but since you mention it, Destiny 2 has 15 times the number of players than Borderlands 3.

Destiny 2 is very re-playable, Borderlands 3 is not.

[ᑓᑌᑎᕬ]

The humor. The big problem is the humor. Or the lack thereof ...

[Bankai9212]

Originally posted by 2024😸Pocah:

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

The series is still doing well, the fact a good 2 thousand or so still play bl2 some with mods should tell you how replayable they are. Trying to do a live service wouldn’t benefit the series let alone do what destiny 2 has done which is annoy it’s fans.

I didn't really mean that aspect of Destiny 2, but since you mention it, Destiny 2 has 15 times the number of players than Borderlands 3.

Destiny 2 is very re-playable, Borderlands 3 is not.

Then what aspect? Bl3 has 4 vault hunters with 4 skill trees and action skills. The content was finished few years ago so obviously people will move on to other games. Destiny 2 is live service so it’ll make content to keep players busy even if it means removing previous content. Point being bl2 a decade old game still has plenty of players.

[Pocahawtness]

You think 2000 players worldwide is a lot?

My point is that Borderlands burns itself out in far less than a year after all the DLC, which is pretty poor considering that there are major releases every, oh, seven years.

And, I think that a number of simple changes, that oddly are in Destiny 2, could extend the life of the game considerably.

I mean, even if you look at Monster Hunter, that has few releases. it has a much higher long-term player-base. Why? Because its extremely replayable. The clever levelling system, and the way it constantly comes up with quests is way ahead of Borderlands.

The gun system in Destiny 2 is far more likely to NOT annoy people!

All I am saying is that there is a lot they could do to stretch the game out in Borderlands, especially if they are intent on releasing games so slowly.

[Bankai9212]

How is having that many players after a decade bad? There are tons of games and it isn’t a live service nor is it competitive what are you expecting?

Monster hunter has way more releases then borderlands and its gameplay loop is hunting monsters to make gear to hunt other monsters. BL like Diablo is a looter shooter to kill to get gear to get more gear. Like monster hunter some could care less about its end game.

I didn’t refer to the loot system but how the content is released then later removed from destiny 2.

So as I mentioned before you want this to be a live service game I can assure you most players don’t want that.

[Casurin]

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

How is having that many players after a decade bad?

He is talking about BL3 .... 4 years. And yes it is bad when a 4 year old entry in a franchise has about the same number of players as a >10 year old entry where there even is another game inbetween.

[Madawc Cadigan]

Originally posted by Pirate☠️Pocah:

..is the huge gaps between releases.

Borderlands isn't repayable enough to stand these delays. I mean its four years now and it could well be as much as another three years before another release.

Mind, I have to say, that I think the secret would be to make the game more repayable, and they could learn a lot from Destiny 2 about that.

I've been hearing that BL4 is scheduled to release this year. In August, I think.

But if you need content now, you could try the spin-offs. Tales From the Borderlands fills in a lot of detail for the story between 2 and 3. And it has a sequel as well. And Tiny Tina's Wonderlands (which is rumored to be getting a sequel in 2026) is a ton of fun. It's not the most re-playable, but I think the story and the build options are really good. And new DLC was released (I think last year?) for Borderlands 2 which was supposed to serve as a way to fill out more of the story between 2 and 3. I can't say for sure, because I have BL2 on XBox 360, and I'm not interested in buying the game and all the DLC again just to add a little more DLC. But, if you have it on your computer, then I've heard it's worth the price.

[Bankai9212]

Originally posted by Casurin:

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

How is having that many players after a decade bad?

He is talking about BL3 .... 4 years. And yes it is bad when a 4 year old entry in a franchise has about the same number of players as a >10 year old entry where there even is another game inbetween.

Wouldn’t go that far, again these aren’t live service games after all.

[Chizzit]

Originally posted by Pirate☠️Pocah:

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

The series is still doing well, the fact a good 2 thousand or so still play bl2 some with mods should tell you how replayable they are. Trying to do a live service wouldn’t benefit the series let alone do what destiny 2 has done which is annoy it’s fans.

I didn't really mean that aspect of Destiny 2, but since you mention it, Destiny 2 has 15 times the number of players than Borderlands 3.

Destiny 2 is very re-playable, Borderlands 3 is not.

Except for the fact that D2 keeps removing content and creating an artificial grind for players. BL1, 2, TPS, 3, and WL have a lot of replayability with all the classes and builds you can do, and all the content is still in the game.

[Junipercat]

Destiny 2 removes content. You can't replay and enjoy again as it is gone.

Borderlands is a single/co-op experience. It is not intended for full multi-player. A live service like D2 is not for Borderlands. If you need a subscription game, you need to find it somewhere else.

[kukuhimanpr]

mainline borderlands games should stay away from live service design.

coop should always be optional instead of mandatory with the borderlands niche. just like monster hunters and god eater games' contained loop of hunt loot grind level up repeat'... without live service's fickle seasonal meta and market demands screwing up balances and taking away contents from players when the server goes bad or worse, the studio shutdown...

and gearbox already tried to go live service with the battleborn IP. it didn't survive against actiblizzard's overwatch, and other competitors like paladins and smite. so imo its really hard to trust that gearbox would be able to integrate borderlands games with full live service gameplay design. it will piss off a lot of borderlands veterans for sure.

[Junipercat]

Yep, I don't want to be forced to be in a game with other people when I just want to enjoy the game itself. A live service would kill solo play as well as if you just want to have fun with a friend or two without having deal with the stupidity of the masses.

Apparently the OP wants to force full multiplayer on everyone as that is what live service does. Plus that changes from one-time purchase to subscription based.

[MATA CABROS]

Hola

[Uzkniso o.o]

Technically, there's Wonderlands.

I mean, it's not a direct sequel, but it plays the same with nearly the same ideas, just you know, with a twist.

So you can't say that there's no "new game".

But yea, I agree with you - this "drought" is definitely going to damage Borderlands as a series, because people have this thing called "attention span". The more time something takes, the less amount of people will give a damn about it.