Handsome Jack redemption DLC.

[Clown Reemus]

I know what to expect but still...
Handsome Jack is one of the best villains, in any sense, that there were in the, let us say, western historiography of art. As such he must be granted a decent conclussion.

Throughout the games it was established that person once was a decent man who believed in something. However, with the passing of time in that war-ridden, corporate-dominate world of violence, he slipped from being a well-intentioned extremist, to not-so-well intentioned one. He slowly became a villain, and was defeated for it (several times, in fact).

So what do I want? I want his whole story to receive a proper (unlike the Crimson Raiders story) conclusion. He is not beyond redemption, as he had once acknowledged that he is a villain. This alone allows him to ultimately come in terms with his own corrupted self and show everyone that there is still a father and a husband left in him, not all of him is Handsome Jack.

As such I would respect the developers for respecting their (or someone else's, likely) creation and devising a story DLC with Handsome Jack's A.I. (which Rhys had hopefully saved from Hyperion Crash during the Tales from the Borderlands adventures), in which Jack is allowed to take reigns once more. To whisper his deeds to our ears again. To put his quest for dominance into a retrospective. To take a look at the world without him, and ultimately decide the fate of it once again. To give him merely one moment, during which he choses deliberately, having nothing to lose, to do some good and help/save someone, would be grandiose.

[Dr.Abscondus]

Not sure what you're talking about but the BL 3 DLC, Moxxi's Heist of the Handsome Jackpot, concludes Timothy's story arc.

[Clown Reemus]

Originally posted by Dr.Abscondus:

Not sure what you're talking about but the BL 3 DLC, Moxxi's Heist of the Handsome Jackpot, concludes Timothy's story arc.

Yeah terribly sorry I mixed them up. What I mean is a journey for Jack's digitalized consciousness.

[The Face]

Meh, a sad back story does not excuse the Hitler like actions on Pandora. There is no redemption. He got what he deserved. Heck he got off easy.

Would not mind him around again i suppose. Since it is clear gearbox sucks at villain's besides Jack

[mupheminsani]

He(Jack) is not beyond redemption

you sure about that bro?

[The Face]

Originally posted by mupheminsani:

He(Jack) is not beyond redemption

you sure about that bro? :candysilly:

Easily. You do recall even some things like his recounting of attacking that city right? The eyeball scooping while finding it funny?

Sob story backstory or not, there is no going back

[Darth Cannabis]

Originally posted by The Face:

Meh, a sad back story does not excuse the Hitler like actions on Pandora. There is no redemption. He got what he deserved. Heck he got off easy.

Would not mind him around again i suppose. Since it is clear gearbox sucks at villain's besides Jack

I think more likely, we would come across some of Jack's bastard children.

Jack has been known to get around in his time. Probably quite a few unacknowledged little Jacks in the universe, just waiting to grow up and become the villian or hero.

Any redemption could come from the son or daughter that redeems the bloodline essentially.

[Starbug]

Originally posted by The Face:

Meh, a sad back story does not excuse the Hitler like actions on Pandora. There is no redemption. He got what he deserved. Heck he got off easy

Got off easy??!! I killed his daughter, ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up his plans for galactic domination and then shot him in the face.

[(TTV)OnBrandRP]

Originally posted by The Face:

Meh, a sad back story does not excuse the Hitler like actions on Pandora. There is no redemption. He got what he deserved. Heck he got off easy.

Would not mind him around again i suppose. Since it is clear gearbox sucks at villain's besides Jack

Yeah nah, he didnt get off easy at all.
You murdered his daughter after he specifically begged for you not to,
You then killed his "Warrior" and then you shot him in the face, then you took the mask from his face and wore it while even more adding insult to injury, then in the presequel you realize he's actually a great guy who simply got tired of being betrayed by literally everyone around him, so he started doing drastic measures, then he gets punched in the face by one of his "friends" and is forced to see his future, his demise, his past and basically become corrupted by the erridian technology.

[Clown Reemus]

Originally posted by Adaptify:

Originally posted by The Face:

Meh, a sad back story does not excuse the Hitler like actions on Pandora. There is no redemption. He got what he deserved. Heck he got off easy.

Would not mind him around again i suppose. Since it is clear gearbox sucks at villain's besides Jack

Yeah nah, he didnt get off easy at all.
You murdered his daughter after he specifically begged for you not to,
You then killed his "Warrior" and then you shot him in the face, then you took the mask from his face and wore it while even more adding insult to injury, then in the presequel you realize he's actually a great guy who simply got tired of being betrayed by literally everyone around him, so he started doing drastic measures, then he gets punched in the face by one of his "friends" and is forced to see his future, his demise, his past and basically become corrupted by the erridian technology.

And that is exactly why there is so much room for his "final" development. Following the player around as an A.I., recounting his rise and his fall, sometimes going off the trail when talking about his family, and then ultimately being a determinator in another quest for the Vault Hunters.

It could be something trivial which is given significance considering his story as a whole. The moment when he offered Rhys the control of Hyperion... only to betray him and reveal his own digital copy just as malicious as the original. Now he gets a third(!) chance (hopefully counted that right). He starts going off about how he finally is getting back to the power he was worthy of, the control he needed to make the universe a better place... and then says "But you know how it all went all the other times, right?" and steps down, or helps the Vault Hunters.

[Dagordae]

Originally posted by Adaptify:

Originally posted by The Face:

Meh, a sad back story does not excuse the Hitler like actions on Pandora. There is no redemption. He got what he deserved. Heck he got off easy.

Would not mind him around again i suppose. Since it is clear gearbox sucks at villain's besides Jack

Yeah nah, he didnt get off easy at all.
You murdered his daughter after he specifically begged for you not to,
You then killed his "Warrior" and then you shot him in the face, then you took the mask from his face and wore it while even more adding insult to injury, then in the presequel you realize he's actually a great guy who simply got tired of being betrayed by literally everyone around him, so he started doing drastic measures, then he gets punched in the face by one of his "friends" and is forced to see his future, his demise, his past and basically become corrupted by the erridian technology.

Not murdered. Assisted suicide. After what he did to her, what he was going to do to her, she very vocally preferred to die than keep living like that. She even helped you.
You didn’t murder her, she used you to commit suicide.

As to killing his warrior: That’s hardly a punishment for all the innocent people he murdered. While laughing. He was WAY past redemption by the time 2 started.

Even in the Prequel it’s really hard to miss that his heroic facade was just that: A facade. He had already weaponized the Destroyer and was part and parcel of all kinds of horrific human experimentation.
And never once hesitated to commit heinous actions for his own gain.
He just didn’t have to pretend anymore once you helped him seize power.
Hence why Moxxie turned on him to begin with, she wasn’t dumb enough to fall for the hero act. Not after she saw the freaking death laser he built.

[Clown Reemus]

Originally posted by Dagordae:

Originally posted by Adaptify:

Yeah nah, he didnt get off easy at all.
You murdered his daughter after he specifically begged for you not to,
You then killed his "Warrior" and then you shot him in the face, then you took the mask from his face and wore it while even more adding insult to injury, then in the presequel you realize he's actually a great guy who simply got tired of being betrayed by literally everyone around him, so he started doing drastic measures, then he gets punched in the face by one of his "friends" and is forced to see his future, his demise, his past and basically become corrupted by the erridian technology.

Not murdered. Assisted suicide. After what he did to her, what he was going to do to her, she very vocally preferred to die than keep living like that. She even helped you.
You didn’t murder her, she used you to commit suicide.

As to killing his warrior: That’s hardly a punishment for all the innocent people he murdered. While laughing. He was WAY past redemption by the time 2 started.

Even in the Prequel it’s really hard to miss that his heroic facade was just that: A facade. He had already weaponized the Destroyer and was part and parcel of all kinds of horrific human experimentation.
And never once hesitated to commit heinous actions for his own gain.
He just didn’t have to pretend anymore once you helped him seize power.
Hence why Moxxie turned on him to begin with, she wasn’t dumb enough to fall for the hero act. Not after she saw the freaking death laser he built.

The last part is untrue. Even if the player does not pay attention to every word said and the way it is said, his actions are clearly that of a victim of circumstances, who is also trying to get out of them. Except the things do not go his way and he is slowly sliding into insanity and despair because of that.
A simple and significant example - everything goes wrong when Meriff betrays him, his previous colleague and attempts to backshoot Jack EVEN WHEN Jack had forgiven his betrayal and started thinking of how else they can get out of the predicament. Meriff, as a conflicting person (also believing he is doing the best for his little city) who let the cowardice get better of him, tried to shoot Jack and Jack is forced to retaliate against such a dishonourable and vile thing under the irresistible impulse (criminal terminology). After that point, he is slowly sliding into the delusional warlord we get to know from the Borderlands 2.

The whole story is about people losing ideals under pressure. Anti-heroes and broken people who are forced to clash against each other for survival.

[Ashley]

Originally posted by Starbug:

Originally posted by The Face:

Meh, a sad back story does not excuse the Hitler like actions on Pandora. There is no redemption. He got what he deserved. Heck he got off easy

Got off easy??!! I killed his daughter, ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up his plans for galactic domination and then shot him in the face. :kill:

Nah. Death is the easy way out. Quicker than being kept alive the rest of your alive and being tortured.

[PocketYoda]

No hes really not, he was an annoying whining crybaby. His Death was a service to everyone.

We killed his daughter because she asked us to, because he used her as a tool for his gain and destroyed her in the process..

[Clown Reemus]

Originally posted by DanteYoda:

No hes really not, he was an annoying whining crybaby. His Death was a service to everyone.

We killed his daughter because she asked us to, because he used her as a tool for his gain and destroyed her in the process..

You should have played The Pre-Sequel and seen how it all happened, to understand why and how Handsome Jack got to be Handsome Jack.

[alex010300]

Jack is dead, you mean Timothy.