what's the point of mayhem mode?

[jackal[ronin]]

the loot still sucks, there's just more of it. is it supposed to be better loot?

[Junipercat]

It is a higher challenge with weapons scaled up, similar to the OP levels idea in BL2.

Also, certain Legendaries only drop at minimum Mayhem levels.

You can Google for more specifics as game has been out significantly long.

[jackal[ronin]]

so a mayhem 10 weapon does 2.36 times more damage than a non-mayhem weapon? does it list that number on the item when you look at it or do you need to get a spreadsheet out to figure out if the number on the target dummy makes any sense with all your other talent bonuses?

[Gold♥Shield]

Mayhem 1 is weaker than Mayhem 2. Mayhem 3 is weaker than Mayhem 4. Mayhem 5 is weaker than Mayhem 6. Mayhem 7 is weaker than Mayhem 8. Mayhem 9 is weaker than Mayhem 10.

Solved it for you. No spreadsheets or calculators needed and yes, the Mayhem level is listed on the weapon card. Mayhem weapons also have annointments that give extra effects for certain classes or after using your action skill. Just play around with it and it'll explain itself.

Also, check the modifiers when increasing the Mayhem level. You can reroll them for free to see different effects for added difficulty or new mechanics like making your character speed through the levels or creating a lootsplosion when you kill an enemy with a critical.

[jackal[ronin]]

i've already experienced freezing orbs + floor is lava, yeah, I need to find that reroll button. I'm happy this is all just a huge inside joke for you. I look at a normal weapon and it says 8k damage and I look at a mayhem 1 weapon and it says 3k damage. what tells me that the mayhem multiplier has already been applied to the number listed on the display? nothing is telling me that it hasn't. there's nothing on the wikis describing what the hell i'm looking at.

so after 2 whole hours of boss hunting, i've gotten 0 upgrades because it's just racks of garbage that don't push any numbers (or they are a minor upgrade with 40 points less accuracy).

[Gold♥Shield]

Start at Mayhem 6 and go farm some legendaries and overall better gear. Various parts on the gun will affect various stats (damage, accuracy, fire rate, etc.). You can get two identical guns at the same level but they can have wildly different stats. If you want to test this yourself, go get the best assault rifle in the game from Moxxi by tipping her $1k a bunch and see how often they vary in stats. At Mayhem 10, I've seen the damage between 58k and 88k and some have elemental damage. If you want to cheese the process, you can bump it to Mayhem 10 before accepting quest rewards and you'll be given Mayhem 10 versions which also works when farming a Hail from Moxxi.

Whatever has the higher damage on the card is the one you should be using. Higher weapon level is usually the better one.

[MOSLEY]

If you’re willing to sit and press the reroll button until you get lootsplosion, healy avengers, drone ranger and holy crit then mayhem 10 is a lot of fun. Especially if you have the shlooter.

Playing against the buffed up enemies with a finished OP build is👌

[HEX: SOLO QUEUE]

Originally posted by jackalronin:

i've already experienced freezing orbs + floor is lava, yeah, I need to find that reroll button. I'm happy this is all just a huge inside joke for you. I look at a normal weapon and it says 8k damage and I look at a mayhem 1 weapon and it says 3k damage. what tells me that the mayhem multiplier has already been applied to the number listed on the display? nothing is telling me that it hasn't. there's nothing on the wikis describing what the hell i'm looking at.

so after 2 whole hours of boss hunting, i've gotten 0 upgrades because it's just racks of garbage that don't push any numbers (or they are a minor upgrade with 40 points less accuracy).

I've been at lvl cap for a few weeks now, what I did initially was set Mayhem 10 on Sanctuary ( can be done in the menu too but you have to reload the map if you're anywhere else) and use the Eridian using gun that shoots guns, it's alt fire mode shoots legendaries.

I think there is a hidden nerf though because actually farming Mayhem 6 weapons (6 being where a lot of the level locked rares come from) they are often better than those. Also most of what I'm using now is from leaving it at M6 or setting it to M11 (M11 = M10 without modifiers but less gear drops) and using FL4K stealth to get to Maurice's Black Market[whereismaurice.com].

Money is easy to farm, I've been doing some Trials of Instinct too trying to get a better class mod than the lvl 45 one I still have. After doing some number of these I got a Diamond key out of nowhere - not sure if from Trials or not (and some of these are FAR harder than others on the same level).

I'm not sure what class/gear people telling you to start on M6 are using but that would have been impossible for me. I went like 2 4 6, on 6 now. I still haven't even touched most of the DLC (I got Ultimate Edition for $20 in a prior sale, so have them all) - the only one I've finished is the tentacle one and it was good (and also had some good gear drops, might be worth going back to fight bosses to get higher level versions of, like the old gods shield and/or the pearl of ineffable knowledge or w/e, although that last one is from a quest, might not be repeatable).

EDIT: I also use Loaded Dice artifacts for higher luck, and after getting the first 3 unlocks from all of the Guardian trees I've been focused on Hunter for the luck boost there too. My pet can rez, I can use stealth to rez my spiderant if I need to, I keep my distance most of the time. I got a Mesmer grenade from the Diamond key and that has been awesome (makes NPCs fight each other, when they do this they also tend to cluster up making them even easier targets).

[Bankai9212]

For context, some legendaries or meta legendaries are always OP and go up with mayhem level such as the hellwalker or hellfire which are always very strong and can be run with most characters regardless of annoints. Compared to most legendaires that rely on annoints to be useful.

[spoggie]

Originally posted by jackalronin:

the loot still sucks, there's just more of it. is it supposed to be better loot?

There is some level specific better loot that only drops at Mayhem 6 or above.
IMHO the idea of Mayhem is to give players some end game activity.

Setting Mayhem to 10 or 11 and seeing if your build can beat Wohan the Invincible with the True Trial switch engaged at the Maliwan Blacksite is a good test.

IMHO at higher Mayhem levels fewer weapons are viable so players usually farm particular weapons from places and foes that have specific gear in their loot pool so as to get a good roll where all the parts align.
Additionally farming complementary loot to buff their builds skills.

There are online guides available so players know where to farm their loot from.

[jackal[ronin]]

I remember getting the eridium gun from the guy, but I couldn't find it, where is it?

edit: dammit, is it possible to sell that gun?

[Gaderic]

Mayhem mode is for those who enjoy late game builds that are min/maxed to the limit. Every gun, skill selected in your character tree, mod, shield, and artifact are not only best in slot but also have good rolls on their substats/parts. It is not just only about the guns as the enemies at mayhem 10 have more HP than what a mayhem level 10 gun can deal with. You will have to squeeze as much damage as possible about every piece of gear you can equip.

[Gold♥Shield]

Originally posted by jackalronin:

I remember getting the eridium gun from the guy, but I couldn't find it, where is it?

edit: dammit, is it possible to sell that gun?

Yes you can sell it. Just go farm a Mayhem 10 Hail from Moxxi and use that to go farm other legendaries. It's essentially the same thing as using the Eridium gun, except far more useful since the Hail will heal you and it can deal massive damage. The parabolic arc of the projectiles are easy enough to use so long as you aren't trying to snipe with it.

Another possibility is to enable Mayhem 10 and go to the Stormblind Complex. You'll only get Mayhem 10 gear while inside there but none of the Mayhem modifiers will exist. It's free Mayhem 10 gear.

[jackal[ronin]]

Originally posted by Gold♥Shield:

Another possibility is to enable Mayhem 10 and go to the Stormblind Complex. You'll only get Mayhem 10 gear while inside there but none of the Mayhem modifiers will exist. It's free Mayhem 10 gear.

O_o
even the enemy health totals aren't 10000%?