an entirely different level up system for bl4

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are you sick of the joke that is the level up system?

think about it, after the main story, we all just speed grind to max level asap so we can start assembling max level gear

anything and everything below max level ends up being sold/thrown away

so what i'm saying, is that i want no levels at all

this will make every weapon you collect, right from the start, a potential keeper

this also means that the game is both easier and harder at the same time (easier because you'll never be too weak to take on any boss, and harder because it'll take more skill to defeat the stronger enemies, you won't be able to assemble a godly build and mow through enemies like they're nothing

you'll ALWAYS have to consider cover, retreating, picking off enemies from a distance to increase your chances before engaging at closer range, retreating and taking cover to allow for shield/health regen, etc

how it will feel, will be similar to halo campaign gunplay, except with a bazlillion guns, i'm telling you, you can't go wrong fusing halo campaign with borderlands gun loot system, that's two of the most beautiful things in gaming combined

now you might say to me "go play halo"

and to that, i'd say "halo doesn't have a bazilion guns"

and then you might say "don't mess with something that works"

and to that, i'd say "aren't you sick of finding beautiful guns that you have to sell because it's not max level, or because they increase the level cap again? man, i'm so sick of that"

EDIT: after some discussion with people who replied, i've concluded that a better suggestion would be to have guns that could be levelled up (not my idea, but an idea i fully agreed with), that would counter the issue of level cap increases rendering entire inventories worthless

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Publicado originalmente por Bankai9212:

Well Halo is about the shooting and MP, as for bl2 and 3 compared to 1 what parts roll for each gun is limited. So unless you know the gun can roll with the part you may be wasting time.

i loved Halo, but borderlands won me over because it had a bazillion guns + it was semi-open world rather than linear like Halo campaigns

as for wasting my time looking for that specific gun combination, well, you're right and wrong about that, you're right because i spent almost 8 years and didn't find the gun i was looking for, but wrong because i enjoyed every minute of it! in retrospect, i'm glad i didn't find it, because if i found it prior to the level cap increase that came with fight for sanctuary, i'd be even saltier than i already am

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Publicado originalmente por Bankai9212:

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you're right, looter shooters aren't for me anymore, because they all seem to have this level cap increase thing now

i ended up just playing csgo, and collecting rare skins, the guns remain relatively unchanged, but i can satisfy the rarity aspect via the skins, unfortunately my favorite type of fps was open world, but those all have levelling up so i guess there's no perfect game that matches what i want

Any game with an RPG/leveling system has that. If you aren't into RPG's then there isn't much else besides as I said destiny. Also borderlands isn't really open world more like large levels. You could always invest into fallout 4 with mods.

i really don't mind levelling at all tbh, it's the level cap increase that kills me, and i read that destiny does that too now and then, so it's pretty much the same issue over there

the thing about fallout 4 with mods is, i don't want to use mods to get a rare gun, i want to get it legitimately, even if it takes years, i want to have and use a gun that's seriously rare, i get some kind of ego boost from it i guess

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Publicado originalmente por Junipercat:

The Borderlands franchise has never been about getting a complete "collection". Guns are made to be used until you find something that works better or you just like better. It was never intended to have an absolute max option to showcase forever.

Fight for Sanctuary was not a normal DLC. That was released years later to be an intro into BL3, whether for those who recently picked up BL2 or veteran players. Think of saying that BL3's content was superceeding BL2, just like BL2 did with BL1. It was intended as transition for the story, which is a key part of the game. It is not just a hook like classic games from 40 years ago, but an ongoing plot (the reason why you keep going).

Unless they add in some control in the customization in BL4, even with grinding to get what you need, I don't see this series being good for you. Brand new game, power through to the end ignoring story entirely just to work on a collection, is definitely not what this game is designed for.

unfortunately, i agree with everything you've written

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Any game with an RPG/leveling system has that. If you aren't into RPG's then there isn't much else besides as I said destiny. Also borderlands isn't really open world more like large levels. You could always invest into fallout 4 with mods.

i really don't mind levelling at all tbh, it's the level cap increase that kills me, and i read that destiny does that too now and then, so it's pretty much the same issue over there

the thing about fallout 4 with mods is, i don't want to use mods to get a rare gun, i want to get it legitimately, even if it takes years, i want to have and use a gun that's seriously rare, i get some kind of ego boost from it i guess

You can still mod guns from legendary enemies, granted the usefulness varies.

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i really don't mind levelling at all tbh, it's the level cap increase that kills me, and i read that destiny does that too now and then, so it's pretty much the same issue over there

the thing about fallout 4 with mods is, i don't want to use mods to get a rare gun, i want to get it legitimately, even if it takes years, i want to have and use a gun that's seriously rare, i get some kind of ego boost from it i guess

You can still mod guns from legendary enemies, granted the usefulness varies.

i want to play the vanilla version of whatever game i'm playing, but to get a gun that's super rare within the game, that can be used right till the end, and to go on collecting such guns

but borderlands is the only game i know of that has a bazillion guns, i'm actually surprised that no other game has copied that formula

[Bankai9212]

Only game somewhat like it but with AI is the shadow of mordor/war series.

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Publicado originalmente por Bankai9212:

Only game somewhat like it but with AI is the shadow of mordor/war series.

hmm thanks for the suggestion, but what i'm looking for is an FPS

an FPS

in an open world or at least semi-open world, heck, i'll even be satisfied with linear maps as long as the map sizes are massive like halo

guaranteed no level cap increasing

and with truly rare guns, as well as a massive quantity of guns

as far as i know, borderlands is the only one that gets a tick for all of those (except the level cap increase part0

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Just add a way to increase the level of a weapon.

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Publicado originalmente por Bankai9212:

With more content its expected to raise the level otherwise whats the point. You could just wait for everything to release, as I said before they could include options to swap parts/raise level/quality of guns as other looters do.

bl2 came out in 2012, the level cap increase with fight for sanctuary came out in 2019...

see what i'm saying? i can't trust borderlands with the level cap increases anymore, i don't want to put together a collection that turns to dirt overnight

the level cap increasing is my only real issue, but if that's part of this experience, then i can't be part of it anymore

yea I agree this was stupid adding a level increase so many years after invalidating so many guns

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bl2 came out in 2012, the level cap increase with fight for sanctuary came out in 2019...

see what i'm saying? i can't trust borderlands with the level cap increases anymore, i don't want to put together a collection that turns to dirt overnight

the level cap increasing is my only real issue, but if that's part of this experience, then i can't be part of it anymore

yea I agree this was stupid adding a level increase so many years after invalidating so many guns

That was more due to mayhem 2.0 then level cap increases, some guns when not max are still devastating.

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bl2 came out in 2012, the level cap increase with fight for sanctuary came out in 2019...

see what i'm saying? i can't trust borderlands with the level cap increases anymore, i don't want to put together a collection that turns to dirt overnight

the level cap increasing is my only real issue, but if that's part of this experience, then i can't be part of it anymore

yea I agree this was stupid adding a level increase so many years after invalidating so many guns

ok ok ok so i'm not alone!

i feel like even BL1 isn't safe from a level cap increase even this late in the game, i wouldn't put it past them to release a new dlc for BL1, BL1 is still very playable and has the strongest nostalgic value of the series, if they added something like another dr zed's zombi island size dlc with a new level cap, it would definitely have decent a level of success, i swear, almost every fan who played BL1 would go back and get the new BL1 DLC

even though the graphics are outdated, they're still cool in a retro type of way, i actually considered going back to BL1 because i thought it would be safe from level cap increasing now, but i just don't know anymore

i can no longer trust this series at all anymore in that particular regard after fight for sanctuary

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Publicado originalmente por MOSLEY:

Just add a way to increase the level of a weapon.

that would be cool

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or the more you use a gun, it will gain level
every gun has a max level of 100.
every gun can be modified with 2 status effects that also level up with use

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ok guys, i'll admit the gun's that can be levelled up idea is infinitely better than what i suggested

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the borderlands series seems to hate the ideas of crafting system. well except b1.5 which has the grinder. i remember randy or some other gearbox person back in b2 era saying something about borderlands games is about gunning down stuff with styles, gets bazillion gun variations and level up your character to be the most badass vault hunter, then repeat the process and ditch your older lower level blue/purple/legendary or higher colors guns for newer higher level guns which could be just boring white or green guns but only with higher numbers than your legendaries ffs...

its stupid imo. it shows that all the playable vault hunters have no brains about crafting and modifying their own guns. especially on veteran vault hunters whose skills show lots of knowledge on modifying guns. very suspension in disbelief and immersion breaking, just for the sake of some flawed and artificial game system. try compare it to diablo 2 & 3 in which gearbox often compared to as the inspiration for borderlands's looting feeling. they conveniently ignore the fact that d2&3 had nice crafting system, we haven't even include other bazillion rpg, mmorpg and fps looter shooter out there with various interesting crafting system. its flippin stupid that gearbox still rely on this derpy total rng mechanics. maybe because gearbox want to keep the arcade feeling where players just run mindlessly through one challenges to the next ad infinitum without stopping to think about min-maxing their builds with crafting options. the lack of crafting options greatly reduce the replayability of borderlands games. i can still hear the frustrated cries of b2 players farming 94% bullet absorb sham shield and wanting that explosive cobra sniper to drop.

the option to just level up your guns to your vault hunters' level sounds interesting... but i can sense that there'll be a lot of complications and unexpected game breaking system if thats implemented. i'm not well versed in the numbers game in any game mechanics, so i can't help with that.