Is this game extremely woke?

[Paro]

I am strongly considering buying, but I heard some people say it's like a 10/10 on the woke scale

[alan]

lmao who still uses the term "woke" unironically in 2021

[ReBoot]

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if you're a straight while male, you'll wonder where the straight white male characters are

however, if you're a gay guy, then this game is very pro gay male (and other lgbtq+)

hammerlock likes men

wainwright likes men

zane likes men

axton likes men

i think vaughn might like men, he loves the male body, so i think there's a good chance of that

and those are just the good guys, some of the bad guys probably like men too, i think troy definitely likes men

katagawa probably likes men too

the only straight while male character might just be rhys

How do you even know all this? The only glimpse of sexuality I found in this game was Moxxi (well, that one was obvious). Everything else is about vaults, murder and infantile humor.

[ReBoot]

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How do you even know all this? The only glimpse of sexuality I found in this game was Moxxi (well, that one was obvious). Everything else is about vaults, murder and infantile humor.

official statements/comments about the characters from gearbox themselves, the ones i'm guessing on are vaughn/troy/katagawa

So basically nothing that matters. I'm not sure if J. K. Rowling was the first person to "canonically" paint their characters LGBT to gain some cheap popularity in this braindead woke age, but as far as the game itself is conserned, the sexuality of those characters doesn't matter.

Which is, ultimately, the most important lesson, especially in the current braindead woke age: sexuality of other people doesn't matter.

[ReBoot]

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So basically nothing that matters. I'm not sure if J. K. Rowling was the first person to "canonically" paint their characters LGBT to gain some cheap popularity in this braindead woke age, but as far as the game itself is conserned, the sexuality of those characters doesn't matter.

Which is, ultimately, the most important lesson, especially in the current braindead woke age: sexuality of other people doesn't matter.

hmmm it does and it doesn't... i think, for better or worse, humans in general have an in-group preference when it comes to behaviour... so you'll find clicks... is that how you spell it? *googles* oh... cliques... hmm i learned something, cool

ok, i forgot the point i wanted to make, so that is all for now, bye

Yeah, I get what you're saying. Dividing the world into "us" and "them" is as easy as it is destructive. Thankfully, we can decide against being destructive. I suppose, you wouldn't care about my sexuality if we met in a bar and were having a talk about Borderlands, shooters, gaming, physics, anything people talk about when the topic is not "can we ♥♥♥♥" or "what grounds can I hate you on". I know I wouldn't. The only person who's sexuality I care about is my girlfriend. Were she gay, that would be a very frustrating relationship.

[ReBoot]

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Yeah, I get what you're saying. Dividing the world into "us" and "them" is as easy as it is destructive. Thankfully, we can decide against being destructive. I suppose, you wouldn't care if we met in a bar and were having a talk about Borderlands, shooters, gaming, physics, anything people talk about when the topic is not "can we ♥♥♥♥" or "what grounds can I hate you on".

if we were talking in a bar about borderlands, then even then, it would change the flow of the conversation... for example, if you liked guys and i knew that, i'd talk about how sexy some of the male BL characters are, but if i knew you were straight, i'd never bring that up

Y'know, you can also talk with straight guys about looks of other guys. I'm straight (not that I didn't kiss other guys, I just didn't get anything out of it, not even the slightest tingle in my tingler, nothing in terms of higher blood flow, nothing) but that music video "Summer wine" with Ville Valo, that's a male voice I consider sexy. Another time, a male co-worke of mine got such a fantastic Italian accent, my thought was "almost a shame I'm not bi".

A topic I had with a gay male friend of mine (long before I knew he was gay) was how male bodies are displayed in media. While seemingly everybody is aware of how unrealistic female beauty standards are, me as a dude with an average body doesn't feel to well with media throwing around equally unrealistic body standards for men. Was an interesting talk, including sexual attractiveness and how body standards relate to that.

On the other hand, I got female friends whom speak about female characters in video games and media in general.

I think, this segregation you're speaking of is unnecessary and merely adds to the existing (me hating on this whole woke/political-correctness craze doesn't mean I like sexism) issues instead of helping.

[ReBoot]

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with the segregation, i think it's natural, it just happens... for example, i'm an asian guy, and when i was in highschool, for some unexplained reason, all the asian guys in my class hang out during break times (there were just 4 of us), we weren't even the same nationality, but we were all asian... pretty soon, i found out i didn't get on well with 2 of them, so i broke away from them and ended up being friends with someone who was more like me personality wise (a jewish guy), but even then, it was a natural coming together of similar people, just a different kind of similar

True, segregation, sexism, racism or any other 'ism happens somewhat naturally. But as a human being, we can reflect upon our thoughts, actions, or behaviour, we can reflect whether what we're doing is perfectly fine or whether we maybe, just maybe, should change our behaviour. We also live in a day and age where there's history books. Which are, since you're right about people being ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ by nature, full with evil we can learn from. That, and sexuality isn't even the whole of a person. People have many facettes to their personalities, sexuality being one of them. Even if we both wouldn't talk about that blonde pair of tits in that bar, we're still talking about Borderlands. To me, talking to people with different sexual orientations feels pretty natural, actually. Assuming I am even aware of that orientation. In theory, I would talk differently to straight girls vs. gay girls (being a straight guy) but in practice, I'm not the type of person to hit on girls in the first place, let alone while being happy with my relationship.

That said, I get weirded out by people I can't communicate with. I can't do that "talking with hands, feet & gestures" thing, I can't help but feeling royally weirded out.

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you're not straight

I very much am. I'm just not homophobic. I know there's people not drawing a clear line between "straight and "homophobe", but that line exists and I'm clearly on the straight-not-homophobe-side of it.

[ReBoot]

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@reboot

ok, first, about the ideal male body image in the media... true, super models and gym bodies have raised the bar to ridiculous standards... but even if a guy has a horrible body he is still sexy because he has a sexual nuclear weapon if you know what i mean, but i don't wanna go into that due to forum rules

second, about segregation, imo it's not inherently good or bad, though it CAN be either one those things, so you're right, in either case, we should be self aware and ask ourselves if it's good or bad

I think I get what you mean. When it comes to girls (the sex I fancy), there's a huge difference between hot looks and charisma. If she's hot but got the charisma of a cellar door, that's not much of a turn-on. It gets worse, if she's hot but in bed she's lying there like said wooden cellar door, that's a huge turn off (I'm totally into body language, that's hands down the biggest turn-on for me). I'm aware I don't meet the male beauty standards either (even without looking at [insert magazine here]), I do have somewhat more belly than I'd really love to, but my GF find me attractive. That's enough for me to feel good about myself.

I agree that segregation isn't automatically bad. It's just that unreflected segregation turns evil very quickly. There's still allegedly-civilized countries in this world where gays are persecuted just for being gay while I'm sure I wouldn't go to a strip bar with said gay friend of mine, as an example of segregation which isn't automatically evil (and assuming I didn't have a girlfriend).

We can totally agree on that self-awareness. Our instinctive impulses aren't neccessarily evil. They only become evil once we act them out unreflected.

[ReBoot]

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to be specific:

zane: pansexual

torgue: bisexual

axton: bisexual

hammerlock: gay

wainwright: gay

Let me put it this way: as long as none of this is in the game, but instead is attached in a Rowling'ish way, none of this matters. In the game, those are guys, just like you and I, it's just that they're bounty hunters, (ex-)company owners and whatnot. Their sexuality doesn't play a role, just like the sexuality of people I am not fancying ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ doesn't play a role IRL.

[ReBoot]

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Let me put it this way: as long as none of this is in the game, but instead is attached in a Rowling'ish way, none of this matters. In the game, those are guys, just like you and I, it's just that they're bounty hunters, (ex-)company owners and whatnot. Their sexuality doesn't play a role, just like the sexuality of people I am not fancying ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ doesn't play a role IRL.

yeah, i guess you're right, if it doesn't play a role in the game whatsoever, it's kind of irrelevant info... like finding out that super mario prefers pepsi more than cola or something like that

Now THAT would be a fun thing to find out indeed, especially with the PR wars those two companies ran years ago :D

[Chashmodai]

Publicado originalmente por solitude:

if you're a straight while male, you'll wonder where the straight white male characters are

however, if you're a gay guy, then this game is very pro gay male (and other lgbtq+)

hammerlock likes men

wainwright likes men

zane likes men

axton likes men

i think vaughn might like men, he loves the male body, so i think there's a good chance of that

and those are just the good guys, some of the bad guys probably like men too, i think troy definitely likes men

katagawa probably likes men too

the only straight while male character might just be rhys

This is because men are better than women. A real man rejects women and goes solely for other men. Man + man equals manly as hell.

[Balm]

Borderlands 3 is made for "woke" normie smoothbrains. However, once you consider the fact that the highest aspirations of all of the "woke" characters are to burn, loot, and murder as a way of life, you may see the game in a different light. Nobody is actually virtuous in this world. Nobody is depicted as being a decent human being. Everybody is an insane, murderous, greedy and severely mentally ill scumbag.

So yes it caters to the woke, but it's also a demonstration of the type of universe you get when everyone is a selfish, indulgent psychopath. I've only played the waifu gunner, but her personal dialogue showed her to be completely insane and greedy. The type of people who are being pandered to are too superficial to realize there is absolutely nothing in the game that demonstrates happiness or satisfaction comes from their belief system.

[Balm]

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Legally compelling others to participate in your mental illness and personal delusions is the problem. You try to force people to play by your rules, without their consent. Consent matters. You don't have it, but that doesn't stop you. You're like a rapist, except it's on a civilization scale rather than interpersonal scale.

You could go about your business and get poop on your peepee in private, but that's not what you do. You demand to be celebrated for it and you try to recruit people's kids into your lifestyle. That's the problem.

It's not about 'ew icky pronoun people', it's about your behavior and removal of our consent when it comes to interacting with you.

[Buldor]

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Please provide your definition of "woke" if it differs from the other mentions out there. If you find the game to be too "woke" on the state of current world activism and to be part of the social media activism (that the Twins in BL3 display being Echonet Bloggers), and this is something that you do not agree with, then perhaps you will not have the best of time listening to their chatter.

Yeah that's kind of what I'm talking about

I'm perfectly fine with gay characters, black, trans, strong females, etc.

I just don't want to be preached to by a video game. I don't play games to be lectured to or taught morality. That's what I mean by woke.

If there's a trans character that's fine.

If there's a trans character going on and on about the patriarchy and how bad white people are, I'm just not interested and would rather (respectfully) spend my money elsewhere.

I play video games to escape. Not listen to the developers rant their political philosophies.

The game is considered "woke" because there is majority female characters, and majority of characters are gay, bi, trans or non-binary. If it isn't a enemy you kill immediately, a no story boss then there is about 5 straight men in the game. None are playable.

But there is no lecturing, they just exist. The issue is, to be inclusive, they decided to not include straight men. Which, obviously upset straight men.

[Bealla Donna]

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blahblahblah

Legally compelling others to participate in your mental illness and personal delusions is the problem. You try to force people to play by your rules, without their consent. Consent matters. You don't have it, but that doesn't stop you. You're like a rapist, except it's on a civilization scale rather than interpersonal scale.

You could go about your business and get poop on your peepee in private, but that's not what you do. You demand to be celebrated for it and you try to recruit people's kids into your lifestyle. That's the problem.

It's not about 'ew icky pronoun people', it's about your behavior and removal of our consent when it comes to interacting with you.

"You demand to be celebrated for it and you try to recruit people's kids into your lifestyle. That's the problem." Why are other people's kids your concern anyways? They're not in danger, it's frankly none of your buissness. It's much easier to point fingers at others to distract from the rotting in the inside of oneself.
It's not a cult, you cannot "recruit" someone who doesn't want to join, show me a LGBTQ member holding someone at gunpoint until they turn gay on the news to prove me wrong, maybe those kids have been literally WAITING years for an invite to somewhere they can feel safe from judgemental mental gymnastic jumpers like you.
You're just blatantly homophobic, yikes. I can already predict what kind of reply I'll receive from you.

[Diogenes49]

Can't we all just get along? , we should all be entitled to our own beliefs. We should not resort to name calling when someone disagrees with us.