Having a hard time building Moze for Mayhen 11

[NITRO]

I think I got Spoiled with Zane, I can make him have a walk in the park in Mayhem 11 with pretty much any weapon. Zane was my first and only character until I decided to make a Moze and speed run her to lvl 72 (I was farming the Scraptrap nest).

Only problem is that everything is extremely bullet spongy and she doesnt deal damage at all. I don't have all the super meta weapons, but this is just painful. I tried first doing a shield of retribution/bottomless magazine build, didnt work. Now I'm doing a demolition woman/bottomless mag/shield build and her damage is still horrible. I have a Green Monster and Blood Letter class mods but neither seem to work very well.

I want to build her to use Iron Bear sporadically and focus on guns blazing, but I always end up dealing no damage at all and having to use Iron Bear instead. How do I crank up her dmg?

[Anelyn]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hLiqOQ3PcA2oPVqaXuq2cU09EvLwoZx2KADgP6GwZ1A/edit#heading=h.97ip6uppdsfq

Pick a build, get the gear / talents for it, watch couple vids of gameplay and enjoy.

I had same impression going from Fl4k to Amara, then I started farming for some gear to enable my build and she simply destroys. And am not talking about perfect gear or rolls or BiS, just the bare minimum (like the class com, a decent array of weapons etc).

Both Zane and Mose are the highest dps dealers in game so you should have no problems in that department.

[Diogenes49]

go to crones contentment gehenna obsidian forest and
kill lasodactyl for a couple of light show pistols
then work your way up to getting a tizzy

[NITRO]

Originally posted by Anelyn:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hLiqOQ3PcA2oPVqaXuq2cU09EvLwoZx2KADgP6GwZ1A/edit#heading=h.97ip6uppdsfq

Pick a build, get the gear / talents for it, watch couple vids of gameplay and enjoy.

I had same impression going from Fl4k to Amara, then I started farming for some gear to enable my build and she simply destroys. And am not talking about perfect gear or rolls or BiS, just the bare minimum (like the class com, a decent array of weapons etc).

Both Zane and Mose are the highest dps dealers in game so you should have no problems in that department.

I was under the impression that Moze was like Zane where pretty much any gun would work (any gun with high fire rate/splash damage at least) but damn was I wrong. Guess I'll have to spec her for Iron Bear until I can get my hands on the right gear :/

It is really weird though, it sometimes feels like her shots arent doing any damage to enemies. Like, I was shooting the bubble of one of those maliwan heavys and there was virtually no damage being done. With Zane a short burst there and the heavys are a goner in a split second...

[NITRO]

Originally posted by NITRO:

I was under the impression that Moze was like Zane where pretty much any gun would work (any gun with high fire rate/splash damage at least) but damn was I wrong. Guess I'll have to spec her for Iron Bear until I can get my hands on the right gear :/

It is really weird though, it sometimes feels like her shots arent doing any damage to enemies. Like, I was shooting the bubble of one of those maliwan heavys and there was virtually no damage being done. With Zane a short burst there and the heavys are a goner in a split second...

Heck what even am I saying, I'll just pick Zane and go farm these items.

[tools guy-kun]

there is definitely a huge difference between Moze and Zane for sure. I felt like Moze made things super easy when I first tried her (after Amara), but when I went to Zane... my Moze ain't nothing much now. I think if you build around her Iron Bear, you'll have a much easier time surviving, especially if you find gear with anointments that shorten skill cooldown time, or artifacts rather. either way, I wish you luck on your Moze building journey.

happy hunting.

[NITRO]

Originally posted by tools guy-kun:

there is definitely a huge difference between Moze and Zane for sure. I felt like Moze made things super easy when I first tried her (after Amara), but when I went to Zane... my Moze ain't nothing much now. I think if you build around her Iron Bear, you'll have a much easier time surviving, especially if you find gear with anointments that shorten skill cooldown time, or artifacts rather. either way, I wish you luck on your Moze building journey.

happy hunting.

The thing is that Iron Bear is so overpowered its not even fun. That and for me Moze is the Moar Dakka character, playing in that mech feels like cheesing the game too much. Zane is undoubtedly a lot more OP but it feels legit.

[tools guy-kun]

Originally posted by NITRO:

Originally posted by tools guy-kun:

there is definitely a huge difference between Moze and Zane for sure. I felt like Moze made things super easy when I first tried her (after Amara), but when I went to Zane... my Moze ain't nothing much now. I think if you build around her Iron Bear, you'll have a much easier time surviving, especially if you find gear with anointments that shorten skill cooldown time, or artifacts rather. either way, I wish you luck on your Moze building journey.

happy hunting.

The thing is that Iron Bear is so overpowered its not even fun. That and for me Moze is the Moar Dakka character, playing in that mech feels like cheesing the game too much. Zane is undoubtedly a lot more OP but it feels legit.

then ya don't have to necessarily use Iron Bear to kill but as an insurance policy for any near death situations. hop in, then hop out for full health. but if that's still too broken for you then I guess I understand.

[JackBurton]

If properly spec'ed and w good gear, Moze is a beast and does not need to pilot Bear.

Rocketeer class mod & Auto Bear: Bear is now a turret and, unlike Clone, can be placed anywhere you stand if headroom exists - rocks, crates, poles, trees, you decide.

[Nostalgia_PG◕-◕]

moze has tons of builds and honestly ive tested some one shot cheese

[Merdrah]

I go with green and blue trees maxed and I run with two Flippers as my main gun. One is shock and radiation and the other is cryo and acid.
You can farm non-mayhem Flippers easy and then use those to farm higher mayhem level Flippers.

[RS Faria]

Look for Blast Master and Mind Sweeper COMs.. First for mobbing, second for bosses.. She will rely more in splash weapons.. Flipper, Harold, Beacon, Trevonator, Sand Hawk, everything that does splash, is great..

Also, how you spend your skill points??

[tools guy-kun]

it may help others help you better if you use this to build your own skill tree, then share it with a screenshot or something. give it a look: https://borderlands.com/en-US/characters/moze#t=%22as__3415027114___cb__3808214869%22

[Anelyn]

Apples and oranges really. Each character has their strong parts and they play differently from eachother. You can 1 shot on Amara too, is not a big deal, is it fun? Not really.

For me - when I look at vault hunters and their builds - is how much fun is playing through the content and how fast and safe I can do any part of the game with said build w/o any gimmicks. All 4 VH deliver on that aspect in various builds (that's why all of them have a selection of M10/11 builds that can do all content that been updated and playtested into the ground).

Obviously if you don't care about speed or top clears, you don't have to use meta equipment and still have a blast (see k6 / lazydata vids on non-dlc char builds and how they clear through takedowns / bosses etc). And this is the fun part of the game, being able to pick that new gun that dropped or shield / nade mod / artifact etc and have fun w/o becoming useless :D

[Diogenes49]

https://mentalmars.com/guides/moze-mozerker-7-0-build-borderlands-3/ also have you considered iron cub rather than iron bear?