BL3 is amazing and the story isnt really worse than the other games IMO.

[Bumblebro]

So far the story itself is just as flat and edgy as the other games. I really dont get why people were Sh**ing all over it, its fine - all i care about (and i guess many other people) is the shooting and looting and the fun grind.
Are the Twins as cool as Handsome jack? Nah but they are fine mostly so far.

I also didnt have to skip anything, pacing was fine.
Also quiet enjoyed the sidequests.

Gunplay is the best in the series, hands down.

Still hate the DLC-Fest that is borderlands and will wait for a deep sale before i tackle any of it if its worth it...

[Holografix]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย FiXyOuRpCs:

Just finished the main story, it was awful.

I finished the story 4 times, and every time it was good.

[Holografix]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Roberick:

You could've actually pointed out how Salvador or Krieg are arguarbly better playable character since they fill their own niche that they do very well (frenetic melee combat and customizable weapon loadout because lol dual wield) and that's very subjective, but the two that you picked up makes no sense and I assume you don't mean personality wise because all the playable characters besides Krieg and Gaige are flat as boards in BL2 since their dialog in-game is non-existent aside from headhunter packs and their battle lines are as generic as you can get (besides Krieg and Gaige, like I said earlier. Maybe add Zer0 there too because of his haiku weirdness).

Amara simply outclases Maya in every area besides being a teamplayer (which was actually adressed with the Purple tree in both threat generation and healing), starting from survivability (Sustainment alone is better than Maya's entire blue tree, which is mostly worthless aside from resing allies), speed (Spiritual Driver COM), crowd control builds (Ties that bind is a massively improved version of phaselock without the need to spec into an additional tree for CC like Maya needs to do with Motion/green tree), Elemental builds...and besides that she simply has more build variety that allows her to do different action skill builds with things like Phaseslam/Phasecast/Phaseflare, as well as melee builds if you spec into Green/Purple.

This is a very similar case to what happens with Moze and Axton where the former is just better in every single way imaginable (her gun builds are better and less ammo hungry, her grenade/splash builds are several times stronger, her action skill is a much better turret with Auto Bear than Axton even with her 2x turrets capstone...) , but I won't bother with it since most BL2's players agree that Axton just sucks.

Zer0 vs FL4K is a more debatable thing however, since Zer0 can chain melee kills more precisely if you play it well (and melee in general is a thing FL4K struggles to do, outside of very limited and specific setups), but in terms of sniping, survivability and crowd control, FL4K reigns supreme and has simply more going for it in terms of build diversity without the need for broken talents (cough Bore cough). Even at the highest levels of gameplay, Zer0 outside his action skill is basically a walking tissue paper that can die constantly from someone looking at him and his Decepti0n skill is a less refined Fade Away, since in the former you can only shoot or melee once, while the later is more customizable since you melee as much as you want while FA is out and can either pick from a 3-shot variety (aimed more at sniper/launcher builds) or continous fire with the "Gorillas in the mist" augment (for faster fire rate weapons).

I like the 4 new Vault Hunters.

I agree that Amara is amazing with all the different phase powers and custom spec builds. I love how she can spec into the 4 different elements too.

Zane is a utility master: 2 action skills or grenades, cryo specialization and the Wilhelm styled MNTS cannon. So good, so fast, so cyborg.

FL4K is a dangerous robot. I use him specifically for his Gravity Snare and WARBOT pet, he can spec into radiation with devastating crowd control. A lot better than Zero, simply because FL4K has survive-ability.

I havent played Moze though I gather she is a lot like Salvador, both being insane gunzerkers.

I think the new vault hunters are really fun to play and each have their distinct personality which is fun. And yeah, Axton in BL2 is kind of weak.

[G.M.S.]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย L:

It can be an opinion, fine, whatever. However, the overall all consensus is that BL3 from a storyline perspective is an absolute piece of garbage by most people.

You might have a group of people who enjoyed it, but most did not, so the overall consensus is that most people did not like the story, what happened, and the conclusion.

For me personally (opinion, and I'm with the overall consensus that it was bad from a storyline perspective) the issues involving BL3 is just bonkers.

I got a friend who was banned from BL3 simply because he went on the official forums and called Flak a "he" and this "supposedly" was so insulting that it warranted a ban because the creator supposedly made the damn robot "non-binary" which is the most absurd thing ever.

The robot has a males voice, and my friend had no clue that stuff like this was even relevant in the game nor did he even know (all of my friends who played with me didn't even know this including myself) and any person would have of just said "he"...but I guess this was wrong. Okay then...

Now, BL3 from just a pure gameplay standpoint is the BEST of them all in my opinion, and it's not even close, simply due to so much of the quality of life changes from BL2 to BL3.

However, it falls short on everything else, and this includes the cast of playable characters of BL3 vs BL2, in which characters like Maya, and Zero alone make the BL2 playable cast 1000000x better.

I really wished they just made a BL All-Star group where you can pick ANY of the characters from BL1-BL3 combined, which from a gameplay standpoint, would be the absolute best ever.

Yet, again the the purposeful push of garbage characters like Ava and the pushing of modern agendas within the game left a serious sour taste in most of the people who played the storyline in one way or another.

I had eight total friends who played this game, and after completing the storyline, 7 out of the 8 people hated BL3 storyline so much that they no longer play the game anymore.

Only one friend still has the game and "thinks" that it had a good storyline, so overall, even my friends coincide with the overall consensus of a terrible storyline.

Gameplay is great in BL3....but everything else is just so bad.

Your post is spot on, and i keep agreeing on this view from others as well, like most...
Pre Sequel ended with the premise of all vault hunters available, for a war that never happened or was explained, this would have made BL3 briliant, instead of destroying fan favorite chars, and discarding them like they never existed, in the most idiotic ways.

[Holografix]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย G.M.S.:

Your post is spot on, and i keep agreeing on this view from others as well, like most...
Pre Sequel ended with the premise of all vault hunters available, for a war that never happened or was explained, this would have made BL3 briliant, instead of destroying fan favorite chars, and discarding them like they never existed, in the most idiotic ways.

Spot on? No way. You agree with a purely emotional reactionary response without actually thinking about the story or characters. I keep encountering these kinds of reactions about BL3 on this forum and it is so disheartening to see. There is never any explanation about why the story is bad, or why the character sux, there is only the claim that the story/character is the absolute worst. I can't even take these posts seriously anymore, I just comment about it in the hopes that the person posting realizes their folly.

- Pre-Sequel was made by a different production team than GBX. And although it is a fantastic game, it undersold and the company went bankrupt.

[G.M.S.]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Holografix:

All these kinds of posts always use the terms "most people" or "everyone" or "most everyone." Those are abstract placeholders to make the argument that there is consensus, that majority means authority. But there is no consensus. "BL3 story = bad" is just a viral meme. The same thing happened with Metal Gear: Survive, Death Stranding, etc...

Again with the move towards "most of the people." It's just some people who hated on Ava because she's a girl. Simple facts, and frankly truly pathetic.

7 out of 8 is hardly "most people." And hate is such hyperbole, just use 'dislike' or 'annoyed' next time.

Again, i will say, you are objectively high on LSD and some more time out of that trip bubble could do you good.

7 out 8 , or 80 out 100, is a statistical fact proving you wrong, and really means, factually, the consensus that MOST people have felt it, seen it, and agree that way.

It is not abstract or a placeholder, is a factual statistic.

Its clear by now you been here just fantastically trolling rainbow puke from Butt Stallion arse, with your elitist googled terms and definitions.

People dont hate Ava for being a girl , lmao ! Does not matter what sex or color that character would be, the same outcome would have happened ! People hate Ava for being a cringey idiot and above all, killing off Maya !! solely those 2 things and nothing else. Gearbox wrote that char in intended way for the audience to strongly dislike it, dislike it and in many cases hate it, you are the only hyperbole here, has absolutely nothing for being a girl, stop being sexist.

[Winblows]

bl3 story sucked because it was predictable, filled with god awful "jokes" the antagonist's and ava take up a good amount of the actual story but are the most insufrable characters and had nothing going on

you dont expect a borderlands story to be much but when the characters are annoying and the humor falls flat, what do you got? a throw away story with nothing worth noting, it dosnt take its self serious and we dont expect it to, it hardly has time for characters to be characters

you got a borderlands game that isnt that funny, with antagonist that make you wish they didnt have voice lines and no story worth caring about other then liliths stuff at the start of the game and most of that was because she was a well developed character we all ready knew about and cared for

only part that i gave half a hoot about what was going on was the jacobs area because the characters had time to be characters and it wasnt about the god awful main plot, as a matter of fact the only good parts of the writting are a few characters and side quests from time to time

[Holografix]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย G.M.S.:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Holografix:

All these kinds of posts always use the terms "most people" or "everyone" or "most everyone." Those are abstract placeholders to make the argument that there is consensus, that majority means authority. But there is no consensus. "BL3 story = bad" is just a viral meme. The same thing happened with Metal Gear: Survive, Death Stranding, etc...

Again with the move towards "most of the people." It's just some people who hated on Ava because she's a girl. Simple facts, and frankly truly pathetic.

7 out of 8 is hardly "most people." And hate is such hyperbole, just use 'dislike' or 'annoyed' next time.

Again, i will say, you are objectively high on LSD and some more time out of that trip bubble could do you good.

7 out 8 , or 80 out 100, is a statistical fact proving you wrong, and really means, factually, the consensus that MOST people have felt it, seen it, and agree that way.

It is not abstract or a placeholder, is a factual statistic.

Its clear by now you been here just fantastically trolling rainbow puke from Butt Stallion arse, with your elitist googled terms and definitions.

People dont hate Ava for being a girl , lmao ! Does not matter what sex or color that character would be, the same outcome would have happened ! People hate Ava for being a cringey idiot and above all, killing off Maya !! solely those 2 things and nothing else. Gearbox wrote that char in intended way for the audience to strongly dislike it, dislike it and in many cases hate it, you are the only hyperbole here, has absolutely nothing for being a girl, stop being sexist.

I haven't insulted you, I ask that you don't insult me. LSD is your own business. To be honest, I know nothing about whether the 7 out of 8 is true or not. Lots of people make stuff up here, and that post isn't an exception. Whether you choose to believe that the statistical figure is "a fact," is up to you. To me, it is not a fact and simply hyperbole.

You think I'm trolling, that's your prerogative. But I assure you I am not. Secondly, you write that "people don't hate Ava for being a girl" which to me means you still haven't been able to write for yourself and are still relying on the "most people" or "everyone I know" rhetorical trope to bolster your argument. How about you just write about why you specifically dislike Ava? Leave the invisible people their own voice.

Personally, I like Ava. I like her pluckyness, I like her grit. I like her dialogue and jokes. I understand that Maya chose her, and as someone who enjoys the Borderlands universe, I respect Maya's choice to leave Ava her powers. Ava didn't kill Maya, Troy did. That's a simple fact of the game. If you want to blame Ava for something she didn't do, then you really are confused about the game and therefore I cannot take your opinion on BL3 seriously at all.

I don't think GBX wrote Ava as character to be hated by the fanbase. I just think a lot of the Borderlands fanbase, if these forums are any indication, are a few potatoes short of a sack, if you catch my drift. Just read the posts. It's all there in full display. It's truly troubling to see.

[Holografix]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Shided pants man:

bl3 story sucked because it was predictable, filled with god awful "jokes" the antagonist's and ava take up a good amount of the actual story but are the most insufrable characters and had nothing going on

you dont expect a borderlands story to be much but when the characters are annoying and the humor falls flat, what do you got? a throw away story with nothing worth noting, it dosnt take its self serious and we dont expect it to, it hardly has time for characters to be characters

you got a borderlands game that isnt that funny, with antagonist that make you wish they didnt have voice lines and no story worth caring about other then liliths stuff at the start of the game and most of that was because she was a well developed character we all ready knew about and cared for

The Borderland style was cemented in BL2 and BL3 still retains that 'cringe joke style' much beloved by fans of the series. You can't expect Borderlands to not be Borderlands.

There were high points and low points, but the dialogue was pretty smart for most of the story. It's disappointing to see people just claiming that "BL3 sux" and not giving any examples.

[Winblows]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Holografix:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย G.M.S.:

Again, i will say, you are objectively high on LSD and some more time out of that trip bubble could do you good.

7 out 8 , or 80 out 100, is a statistical fact proving you wrong, and really means, factually, the consensus that MOST people have felt it, seen it, and agree that way.

It is not abstract or a placeholder, is a factual statistic.

Its clear by now you been here just fantastically trolling rainbow puke from Butt Stallion arse, with your elitist googled terms and definitions.

People dont hate Ava for being a girl , lmao ! Does not matter what sex or color that character would be, the same outcome would have happened ! People hate Ava for being a cringey idiot and above all, killing off Maya !! solely those 2 things and nothing else. Gearbox wrote that char in intended way for the audience to strongly dislike it, dislike it and in many cases hate it, you are the only hyperbole here, has absolutely nothing for being a girl, stop being sexist.

I haven't insulted you, I ask that you don't insult me. LSD is your own business. To be honest, I know nothing about whether the 7 out of 8 is true or not. Lots of people make stuff up here, and that post isn't an exception. Whether you choose to believe that the statistical figure is "a fact," is up to you. To me, it is not a fact and simply hyperbole.

You think I'm trolling, that's your prerogative. But I assure you I am not. Secondly, you write that "people don't hate Ava for being a girl" which to me means you still haven't been able to write for yourself and are still relying on the "most people" or "everyone I know" rhetorical trope to bolster your argument. How about you just write about why you specifically dislike Ava? Leave the invisible people their own voice.

Personally, I like Ava. I like her pluckyness, I like her grit. I like her dialogue and jokes. I understand that Maya chose her, and as someone who enjoys the Borderlands universe, I respect Maya's choice to leave Ava her powers. Ava didn't kill Maya, Troy did. That's a simple fact of the game. If you want to blame Ava for something she didn't do, then you really are confused about the game and therefore I cannot take your opinion on BL3 seriously at all.

I don't think GBX wrote Ava as character to be hated by the fanbase. I just think a lot of the Borderlands fanbase, if these forums are any indication, are a few potatoes short of a sack, if you catch my drift. Just read the posts. It's all there in full display. It's truly troubling to see.

nobody likes ava because nobody likes stupid kids that screw things up being stupid kids, people find her annoying and people were upset that she "killed" maya because we know it was written for her to die so ava can take her place

[Winblows]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Holografix:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Shided pants man:

bl3 story sucked because it was predictable, filled with god awful "jokes" the antagonist's and ava take up a good amount of the actual story but are the most insufrable characters and had nothing going on

you dont expect a borderlands story to be much but when the characters are annoying and the humor falls flat, what do you got? a throw away story with nothing worth noting, it dosnt take its self serious and we dont expect it to, it hardly has time for characters to be characters

you got a borderlands game that isnt that funny, with antagonist that make you wish they didnt have voice lines and no story worth caring about other then liliths stuff at the start of the game and most of that was because she was a well developed character we all ready knew about and cared for

The Borderland style was cemented in BL2 and BL3 still retains that 'cringe joke style' much beloved by fans of the series. You can't expect Borderlands to not be Borderlands.

There were high points and low points, but the dialogue was pretty smart for most of the story. It's disappointing to see people just claiming that "BL3 sux" and not giving any examples.

bl2 came out in 2012 and wasnt considered "cringe" till later, explain how the heck the story was smart? kinda hard to point at all the places it wasnt smart, it goes from ok to mind numbing, no twist or turns on this kitty rollercoaster

[Holografix]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Shided pants man:

nobody likes ava because nobody likes stupid kids that screw things up being stupid kids, people find her annoying and people were upset that she "killed" maya because we know it was written for her to die so ava can take her place

I'll assume that 'nobody' is you? That you don't like stupid kids... etc?
Anyway, Ava doesn't screw anything up. She even saves Lilith and Tannis with her new powers. I'll also assume you mean yourself when you write "because we know it." I suppose you are aware that BL3 echoes a lot of BL2 story, and just like BL2, in BL3 a vault hunter dies. Unless you are a die hard Maya fan-freak, I just can't see anyone frothing at the mouth about this plot point. I mean, not even Krieg gets this mad about Maya's death and starts blaming the one person Maya trusts with her powers for her death. Krieg isn't even that much of a psycho to start doing that!

[Holografix]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Shided pants man:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Holografix:

The Borderland style was cemented in BL2 and BL3 still retains that 'cringe joke style' much beloved by fans of the series. You can't expect Borderlands to not be Borderlands.

There were high points and low points, but the dialogue was pretty smart for most of the story. It's disappointing to see people just claiming that "BL3 sux" and not giving any examples.

bl2 came out in 2012 and wasnt considered "cringe" till later, explain how the heck the story was smart? kinda hard to point at all the places it wasnt smart, it goes from ok to mind numbing, no twist or turns on this kitty rollercoaster

Idk, BL2 was pretty cringe when I played it the first time. Tiny Tina was a little over the top.

BL3's story was smart because of how it addressed certain topics. Like, how it captured the religious aspect of online streamers (influencers) via the Calypso Twins, or interspecies distrust via the Marcus/Maurice side-quest, or the stupidity (or hilariousness) of 'true' rappers in the Prometheus doctor side-quest, or the pit their followers against each other Eden-6 side quest staring the Calypso Twins... etc.

There are so many poignant plot points in BL3. The story is quite good.

[Winblows]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Holografix:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Shided pants man:

nobody likes ava because nobody likes stupid kids that screw things up being stupid kids, people find her annoying and people were upset that she "killed" maya because we know it was written for her to die so ava can take her place

I'll assume that 'nobody' is you? That you don't like stupid kids... etc?
Anyway, Ava doesn't screw anything up. She even saves Lilith and Tannis with her new powers. I'll also assume you mean yourself when you write "because we know it." I suppose you are aware that BL3 echoes a lot of BL2 story, and just like BL2, in BL3 a vault hunter dies. Unless you are a die hard Maya fan-freak, I just can't see anyone frothing at the mouth about this plot point. I mean, not even Krieg gets this mad about Maya's death and starts blaming the one person Maya trusts with her powers for her death. Krieg isn't even that much of a psycho to start doing that!

the "lets use kids as a plot device" is a common trope people dont like that much, ava is constantly disobeying maya and comes off as an annoying brat, most of the dialog with her is just hearing about that

also idk what your on about its clear I meant we know the writters written maya to die so ava can take her place, why would people want a character they dont like replacing one they did like?

[Winblows]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Holografix:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Shided pants man:

bl2 came out in 2012 and wasnt considered "cringe" till later, explain how the heck the story was smart? kinda hard to point at all the places it wasnt smart, it goes from ok to mind numbing, no twist or turns on this kitty rollercoaster

Idk, BL2 was pretty cringe when I played it the first time. Tiny Tina was a little over the top.

BL3's story was smart because of how it addressed certain topics. Like, how it captured the religious aspect of online streamers (influencers) via the Calypso Twins, or interspecies distrust via the Marcus/Maurice side-quest, or the stupidity (or hilariousness) of 'true' rappers in the Prometheus doctor side-quest, or the pit their followers against each other Eden-6 side quest staring the Calypso Twins... etc.

There are so many poignant plot points in BL3. The story is quite good.

I think the steamer thing was more of a theme then a real commentary, it sure wasnt a south park episode I wouoldnt consider it "addressed" bringing something up with out really exploring it isnt really any deep or intelligent, maybe for a kid this would be but streamers = religion isnt that mindblowing

I cant even begin to try and address all that other stuff man if the tv static makes the gears in you mind start turning idk what you want me to say

[Holografix]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Shided pants man:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Holografix:

I'll assume that 'nobody' is you? That you don't like stupid kids... etc?
Anyway, Ava doesn't screw anything up. She even saves Lilith and Tannis with her new powers. I'll also assume you mean yourself when you write "because we know it." I suppose you are aware that BL3 echoes a lot of BL2 story, and just like BL2, in BL3 a vault hunter dies. Unless you are a die hard Maya fan-freak, I just can't see anyone frothing at the mouth about this plot point. I mean, not even Krieg gets this mad about Maya's death and starts blaming the one person Maya trusts with her powers for her death. Krieg isn't even that much of a psycho to start doing that!

the "lets use kids as a plot device" is a common trope people dont like that much, ava is constantly disobeying maya and comes off as an annoying brat, most of the dialog with her is just hearing about that

also idk what your on about its clear I meant we know the writters written maya to die so ava can take her place, why would people want a character they dont like replacing one they did like?

I really don't understand when you write "we." It's just you typing correct? Is there another person sharing your account? Anyway.

Ava isn't annoying though. Ava's character is stubborn and strong willed. After Sapphire's End in Krieg DLC, In an echo, Maya explains that Ava's character is part of the reason why she is choosing Ava, and that Ava reminds her of herself.

I don't know whether there is an option to choose between Ava or Maya in BL3. The story is what the story is. If you start going into the writer's room and second guessing the BL3 writers, you'll never see the story for what it is, and only see the imaged possibilities of what BL3's story could've been. I don't think it's a very productive path to take.