DENUVO DRM?

[Noble]

I'm planning to buy BL3 but I'm hearing about Denuvo DRM is it something like Riot's VAnguard?

Should I worry about this??

[Shedding my mortal skin]

Do you mean like "it installs a separate anti-cheat program on your PC"? Becuase that's not what it does.

[Noble]

Originally posted by Shedding my mortal skin:

Do you mean like "it installs a separate anti-cheat program on your PC"? Becuase that's not what it does.

Ye kinda.

Then what does it do?

[Shedding my mortal skin]

Originally posted by Pazse:

Originally posted by Shedding my mortal skin:

Do you mean like "it installs a separate anti-cheat program on your PC"? Becuase that's not what it does.

Ye kinda.

Then what does it do?

Denuvo's an anti-crack. It doesn't care about cheats. Its only purpose is to prevent the game from being cracked and given away for free. People complain about it because it is CPU-intensive, but it has to be added directly to the game's code. Thus, it can't run when the game is closed, unlike Vanguard.
I could have the completely wrong Valorant program in mind, which would be fun

[Noble]

Originally posted by Shedding my mortal skin:

Originally posted by Pazse:

Ye kinda.

Then what does it do?

Denuvo's an anti-crack. It doesn't care about cheats. Its only purpose is to prevent the game from being cracked and given away for free. People complain about it because it is CPU-intensive, but it has to be added directly to the game's code. Thus, it can't run when the game is closed, unlike Vanguard.
I could have the completely wrong Valorant program in mind, which would be fun

So basically there's no third party apps should I download since it's part of Borderlands 3 code.

Thx this helped me alot to understand.

[Metro]

It only hinders performance and is potentially damaging to your hard drive. But other than that, no worries.

[Noble]

Alryt, thx m8s.

[Lain]

is there actually any studies, tests, evidence that have been done on how bad denuvo actually is for hhd/ssd - not performance wise but lifespan
i just did a quick google search and couldnt really find any solid yes no answers
curious

[Shedding my mortal skin]

Originally posted by Metro:

It only hinders performance and is potentially damaging to your hard drive. But other than that, no worries.

Explain the second part? I've never heard that before.

[la merde]

From my point of view, the main problem with this Denuvo is, that you agree installing a driver. Just for a game, accept installing a peace of software, which has such high rights on the system?
Never! This is, why I personally decline it.

[LordOfTheBread]

Originally posted by la merde:

From my point of view, the main problem with this Denuvo is, that you agree installing a driver. Just for a game, accept installing a peace of software, which has such high rights on the system?
Never! This is, why I personally decline it.

Your point of view is wrong, Denuvo is not a special driver or anything, it is an algorythm encrypting the .exe of your game and does a weekly internet check to see if it was not tempered with.

While it could impact performance in cases where you have a sub-optimal rig, it is pretty transparent for the regular user.

Not saying Denuvo is not ♥♥♥♥, it is a crapware and we'd be better off.

Now Vanguard anti-cheat is a different story, it is a program running at kernel level on your machine, meaning that it has more rights that you have with an admin account.

From there I don't think I need to explain why that is bad.

Anyhow Denuv Anti Tamper is nowhere near Valorant anti-cheat, Debuvo's Anti-Cheat is pretty much the same as Valorant's one but is not included in this game.

[Lain]

Originally posted by LordOfTheDread:

Originally posted by la merde:

From my point of view, the main problem with this Denuvo is, that you agree installing a driver. Just for a game, accept installing a peace of software, which has such high rights on the system?
Never! This is, why I personally decline it.

Your point of view is wrong, Denuvo is not a special driver or anything, it is an algorythm encrypting the .exe of your game and does a weekly internet check to see if it was not tempered with.

While it could impact performance in cases where you have a sub-optimal rig, it is pretty transparent for the regular user.

Not saying Denuvo is not ♥♥♥♥, it is a crapware and we'd be better off.

Now Vanguard anti-cheat is a different story, it is a program running at kernel level on your machine, meaning that it has more rights that you have with an admin account.

From there I don't think I need to explain why that is bad.

Anyhow Denuv Anti Tamper is nowhere near Valorant anti-cheat, Debuvo's Anti-Cheat is pretty much the same as Valorant's one but is not included in this game.

honestly then denvu doesnt sound thaat bad

[LordOfTheBread]

Originally posted by Stairs:

Originally posted by LordOfTheDread:

Your point of view is wrong, Denuvo is not a special driver or anything, it is an algorythm encrypting the .exe of your game and does a weekly internet check to see if it was not tempered with.

While it could impact performance in cases where you have a sub-optimal rig, it is pretty transparent for the regular user.

Not saying Denuvo is not ♥♥♥♥, it is a crapware and we'd be better off.

Now Vanguard anti-cheat is a different story, it is a program running at kernel level on your machine, meaning that it has more rights that you have with an admin account.

From there I don't think I need to explain why that is bad.

Anyhow Denuv Anti Tamper is nowhere near Valorant anti-cheat, Debuvo's Anti-Cheat is pretty much the same as Valorant's one but is not included in this game.

honestly then denvu doesnt sound thaat bad

Well it is still a DRM which in itself is pretty bad but Steam is a DRM in itself as well....

The only DRM free platform is GOG but sadly they don't have as many games as Steam.

[la merde]

Originally posted by LordOfTheDread:

Anyhow Denuv Anti Tamper is nowhere near Valorant anti-cheat, Debuvo's Anti-Cheat is pretty much the same as Valorant's one but is not included in this game.

Thank you for mention this. I repeated my search and I noticed that I mixed the things up and thought that the anti-tamper is the anti-cheat protection with the driver.
I was confused, but now I know better, that these are two different things.

[Casurin]

Denuvo is basically irrelevant here - it does not install anything else, it does not help either.
And starting the game or online-multiplayer are still buggy cause of shift-account scam.

Originally posted by Stairs:

is there actually any studies, tests, evidence that have been done on how bad denuvo actually is for hhd/ssd - not performance wise but lifespan
i just did a quick google search and couldnt really find any solid yes no answers
curious

Yes, there have been many games where even just Crakcing it (circumventing some of the code but most is still in place and running) resulted in better performance.
But where it really became obivous where the games that got released with and without Denuvo or later Denuvo getting removed.

Mostly it adds a constant base-load on the system, affecting lower-end system unproportionally more and drastically increasing minimum requirements. As it hecks against any form "tampering" it also increases load-times significant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08zW_1-AEng - rather large load-tiem increases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBktGc1XLL8 - strong cpu - lower impact
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZZIszOo224

Low-end-CPU - very noticeable impact.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctHYsLI4HFc

(sadly many idiots benchmark it with fast highend-CPUs and often OCed - no ♥♥♥♥ sherlocks, there is nearly no difference in performance on a System that is purely GPU-limited.... )

Basically the a usage of Denuvo can make or break a game for people with older/weaker systems but has, aside from the always longer load times, no real impact on faster systems.

[SoS (Piney)]

I'm avoiding a game that incorporates Denuvo just on general principle. If I get desperate enough, I'll check to see if other stores have a Denuvo-free version. If companies were truly earnest about their statements that they only incorporate Denuvo to get maximum sales on release and prevent crackers from punting out a pirated copy soon after release date, then they'd remove the Denuvo from all distributions (digital at least) following either their initial sales window or confirmation of a crack...but they rarely do. I've lived through too much corporate BS that isn't disclosed on release (see Sony Rootkits for example) that has screwed up my OS installs in the past amongst other things. Only good thing I can say about this release is that they're transparent that they've got Denuvo in there.

That aside, I can wait until there's a GOTY or bundle package and it costs $20 or less...not this $90 for all the DLC and Season Pass garbage. Not desperate enough to play B3.