iron bear too powerful?

[Jeruzalem]

did they boost iron bear to the max or something? im doing mayhem level 9 on moze, running solo lvl 60, and my own weapons are like...not even pea shooters, they are water guns against these enemies.

however, iron bear using twin railguns and corrosive sabot rounds is just shooting them up like a bunch of cans. now i do have a +2 deadlines and stainless steel bear mod on together with specialist bear, but seriously? that couldnt explain just how overpowered iron bear is. if my own weapons, which are some high damage dealers, do so little against them, and iron bear can practicallly one shot them. this is just insane.

i went to do mayhem mode because i ran through entire worlds without using my skill at some point. whenever i did use iron bear, he could just 1 shot endbosses using hell on rails so that wasnt any fun. so i figured i'd try out this mayhem mode, and only at level 9 mayhem do i find i have reached a point where iron bear is fully usable but not useless. its just insane...

[Brown Town]

yeah they made her the best vault hunter from being the worst over a few patches and now she outdamages half the cast with nothing but a class mod and relic.

[snuggleform]

Originally posted by Chicken n' Winnigish:

yeah they made her the best vault hunter from being the worst over a few patches and now she outdamages half the cast with nothing but a class mod and relic.

which class mod/relic is best for moze?

[Merdrah]

Iron Bear scales with Mayhem level. There's videos on Youtube right now of Iron Bear builds that smoke the bosses. Including Auto Bear builds.

[NuclearSnail]

I have been playing as Moze and this game is still hard even on easy if you're playing solo. lol
My question is why do some guns say they have unlimited ammo, but they need ammo? On the Cov weapons they all say unlimited ammo but the gun will over heat. But that's totally not the case, they run out of ammo completely, AND over heat.

[matthew]

By that, it means there is no mag size, COV guns pull ammo from your ammo supply. But yeah, not unlimited. But there is a pistol that has unlimited ammo, called infinity, not got that myself, so can't confirm.

[Traveler]

Iron Bear makes up for its raw power with an abudance of clunkiness.

[matthew]

Originally posted by Traveler:

Iron Bear makes up for its raw power with an abudance of clunkiness.

Agreed. I don't always use it myself. Just when Im wanting to kill a boss faster. IB can be very useful, if it has a short cool down, but on its standard cooldown, not that useful.

[Jeruzalem]

Originally posted by LunarSail:

I have been playing as Moze and this game is still hard even on easy if you're playing solo. lol
My question is why do some guns say they have unlimited ammo, but they need ammo? On the Cov weapons they all say unlimited ammo but the gun will over heat. But that's totally not the case, they run out of ammo completely, AND over heat.

They make use of your ammo pool without reloading. They overheat so you cant use them unlimited. Certain skills allow them to built up more heat before overheating.

[snuggleform]

Oh my god I just got moze to level 60 and I hopped straight to MH10 to general traunt and spanked him with iron bear. Kinda feels silly bypassing any need to farm decent gear.

[NuclearSnail]

Originally posted by matthew:

By that, it means there is no mag size, COV guns pull ammo from your ammo supply. But yeah, not unlimited. But there is a pistol that has unlimited ammo, called infinity, not got that myself, so can't confirm.

"A magazine is an ammunition storage and feeding device within or attached to a repeating firearm. Magazines can be removable or integral to the firearm. The magazine functions by moving the cartridges stored within it into a position where they may be loaded into the barrel chamber by the action of the firearm."

My cov assault rifle has a limited magazine size of only 700 rounds. After those 700 rounds, the magazine must be reloaded. thus it's not an unlimited magazine. And it over heats on top of it. By correct definition, an unlimited magazine would NEVER run out of ammo ever no matter what the "ammo pool". All of the cov gun mags run out and have to be reloaded.

I thought maybe they had been altered in a patch sometime before I got this game for some balance reason maybe. Because the description in the game is not correct at all.

[Jeruzalem]

Originally posted by LunarSail:

Originally posted by matthew:

By that, it means there is no mag size, COV guns pull ammo from your ammo supply. But yeah, not unlimited. But there is a pistol that has unlimited ammo, called infinity, not got that myself, so can't confirm.

"A magazine is an ammunition storage and feeding device within or attached to a repeating firearm. Magazines can be removable or integral to the firearm. The magazine functions by moving the cartridges stored within it into a position where they may be loaded into the barrel chamber by the action of the firearm."

My cov assault rifle has a limited magazine size of only 700 rounds. After those 700 rounds, the magazine must be reloaded. thus it's not an unlimited magazine. And it over heats on top of it. By correct definition, an unlimited magazine would NEVER run out of ammo ever no matter what the "ammo pool". All of the cov gun mags run out and have to be reloaded.

I thought maybe they had been altered in a patch sometime before I got this game for some balance reason maybe. Because the description in the game is not correct at all.

i think you are not correct here. they dont have any magazines. they use all the ammo from your bullet pool. they dont have a magazine cause they never have to reload. that the gun overheats doesnt mean it reloads. also, could you maybe do this in your own thread instead of hijacking mine simply because you are unable to understand basic mechanics?

[NuclearSnail]

Originally posted by Jeruzalem:

Originally posted by LunarSail:

"A magazine is an ammunition storage and feeding device within or attached to a repeating firearm. Magazines can be removable or integral to the firearm. The magazine functions by moving the cartridges stored within it into a position where they may be loaded into the barrel chamber by the action of the firearm."

My cov assault rifle has a limited magazine size of only 700 rounds. After those 700 rounds, the magazine must be reloaded. thus it's not an unlimited magazine. And it over heats on top of it. By correct definition, an unlimited magazine would NEVER run out of ammo ever no matter what the "ammo pool". All of the cov gun mags run out and have to be reloaded.

I thought maybe they had been altered in a patch sometime before I got this game for some balance reason maybe. Because the description in the game is not correct at all.

i think you are not correct here. they dont have any magazines. they use all the ammo from your bullet pool. they dont have a magazine cause they never have to reload. that the gun overheats doesnt mean it reloads. also, could you maybe do this in your own thread instead of hijacking mine simply because you are unable to understand basic mechanics?

actually my point is that the game designers are incorrect.
Also, yes, they do have mags. They fire bullets from an internal magazine. No mag, no bullets at all. the magazine is where the bullets are you know... stored at lol

Ask anybody trained in fire arms.

[Jeruzalem]

Originally posted by LunarSail:

actually my point is that the game designers are incorrect.

then tell them, not on the steam forums they never visit.

[NuclearSnail]

Originally posted by Jeruzalem:

Originally posted by LunarSail:

actually my point is that the game designers are incorrect.

then tell them, not on the steam forums they never visit.

Because originally i was just asking if the guns did have unlimited magazines at release, but later got nerfed in a rebalance patch. Which you'd know if you read the posts.

[Jeruzalem]

got the game from the start, they always had unlimited mags.