[spoilers] Typhon Deleon's age - WUT?

[NITRO]

So Typhon Deleon is foreshadowed to be this guy who discovered the first vaults MANY decades ago and disappeared without a trace decades and decades ago. In one of the logs he says he met Wainright Jakobs, when HE WAS STILL A CHILD and Wainright looks at least 70 years old unless he has some rare disease that makes his skin age 2x faster than normal.

Everything leads to believe that Typhon is either dead of old age OR at least 90 years old.

Then when we meet him he... is just a semi old age man? In his late 50s at most? WUT??? And that he is the father of the Calypso twins who are at most 30?

I know that since this is BL3 we're talking about this is probably yet another writting mistake from the game creators. Or was there something explaining how he didn't age as fast as a human would be? Remember, he didn't have access to fancy medicine or cosmetics since he was stuck in the middle of nowhere and even so that didnt stop making Wainwright and many other characters looking old.

[Se7eN]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe being on the breached iridium planet severely slowed/stopped the aging process?

[Dyex]

Healthy diet of Back Ham... it saves your life!

[Dyex]

Seriously though, he was probably just a young adult in the stories maybe 19.

I know Wainright looks kinda old but he might just be in his late 50's or 60's.

So let's say in his stories Wainright was 14 and Wainright parents would be older then Deleon, maybe their 40's.

I can see Typhon Deleon starting 19, running around vault-hunter for 20 years then having 23 year twins now.

That would make him 62 now and Wainright 57.

* This is just throwing ages around not at all canon *

But I would think it would seem Typhon Deleon could be in his early 60's and it would still seem plausible.

[NITRO]

Originally posted by Hecubus!:

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe being on the breached iridium planet severely slowed/stopped the aging process?

I think the writters just forgot that humans age :T

[Dyex]

Originally posted by NITRO:

Originally posted by Hecubus!:

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe being on the breached iridium planet severely slowed/stopped the aging process?

I think the writters just forgot that humans age :T

Or maybe his a robot ~ lazy plot-twist!

[SolClaimer]

if he was travelling around before ftl then he wouldnt have aged much on his way to all those planets. i think i remember him saying in a log that they didnt age as fast on nekro. but even if they did his kids are no more than 30, so 40-60 is possible.

[Dyex]

Originally posted by Catkicker:

if he was travelling around before ftl then he wouldnt have aged much on his way to all those planets. i think i remember him saying in a log that they didnt age as fast on nekro. but even if they did his kids are no more than 30, so 40-60 is possible.

That does bring up a good point though, there was this one stupid lore that the vault keys only charge once ever 200 years...
If you have a Siren you can open vaults by charging the keys.

But who know maybe that was some really bad misinformation and never true how they worked, since everyone not really an expert on this stuff in their universe.

[Recumbent]

Honestly the games never reallly seem to give us an idea of the VARIANCE in human life spans.

What I mean is, the games do show that there seem to be a ton of mutations and physiology / morphology variance in humans at that time. Nogs / Tinks, Normal Sized Persons, Giant Humans, Humans with odd skull sizes... We have some of that variance now, but not to that striking degree or prevalence.

It's not unthinkable that at that point you may have branches of humanity or here and there odd cases where people live dramatically longer lives than the average.

At least that's how I think of it, since Typh already doesn't look like a baseline human.

[NITRO]

Originally posted by Recumbent:

Honestly the games never reallly seem to give us an idea of the VARIANCE in human life spans.

What I mean is, the games do show that there seem to be a ton of mutations and physiology / morphology variance in humans at that time. Nogs / Tinks, Normal Sized Persons, Giant Humans, Humans with odd skull sizes... We have some of that variance now, but not to that striking degree or prevalence.

It's not unthinkable that at that point you may have branches of humanity or here and there odd cases where people live dramatically longer lives than the average.

At least that's how I think of it, since Typh already doesn't look like a baseline human.

I mean, all those people you mentioned are native Pandorans who grew up in a toxic radioactive wasteland, thats the explanation of the many bizzarre people there, both physically and mentally. If you go to other planets, even Elpis, you see that the average people are just normal human beings.

And cmon, Typhon is just a very short guy like No Neck Ed or Dany Devito, its not like he's a literal mutant.

[NuclearSnail]

Originally posted by NITRO:

Originally posted by Recumbent:

Honestly the games never reallly seem to give us an idea of the VARIANCE in human life spans.

What I mean is, the games do show that there seem to be a ton of mutations and physiology / morphology variance in humans at that time. Nogs / Tinks, Normal Sized Persons, Giant Humans, Humans with odd skull sizes... We have some of that variance now, but not to that striking degree or prevalence.

It's not unthinkable that at that point you may have branches of humanity or here and there odd cases where people live dramatically longer lives than the average.

At least that's how I think of it, since Typh already doesn't look like a baseline human.

I mean, all those people you mentioned are native Pandorans who grew up in a toxic radioactive wasteland, thats the explanation of the many bizzarre people there, both physically and mentally. If you go to other planets, even Elpis, you see that the average people are just normal human beings.

And cmon, Typhon is just a very short guy like No Neck Ed or Dany Devito, its not like he's a literal mutant.

Danny devito is the penguin.

[Darth Cannabis]

Originally posted by Recumbent:

Honestly the games never reallly seem to give us an idea of the VARIANCE in human life spans.

What I mean is, the games do show that there seem to be a ton of mutations and physiology / morphology variance in humans at that time. Nogs / Tinks, Normal Sized Persons, Giant Humans, Humans with odd skull sizes... We have some of that variance now, but not to that striking degree or prevalence.

It's not unthinkable that at that point you may have branches of humanity or here and there odd cases where people live dramatically longer lives than the average.

At least that's how I think of it, since Typh already doesn't look like a baseline human.

Even a more simple explanation is the general pattern of increase human life spans over time, due to better medical technology, knowledge (which in this case due to fallout of corporate wars has taken a step backward in recent ages), and maybe even genetic evolution or manipulation.

Looking at observable real life life spans, generally we see an increase in the overall average over time. Comparing today to say medieval times, we basically have an extra 20-30 years. In some the more extreme cases of a 100 year old plus, we are looking at a lifespan that is double to triple what it once was. That is just the change in the course of 1000 or so years. Who is to say, how much that varies in a futuristic scifi environment, that could be tens of thousands ahead of today.

As for Borderlands in particular, we know it is a universe where cybernetic implants and enhancement is rather commonplace. Many characters with robotic arms, legs, eyes, etc. Typhon in particular, looks as if he certainly could be having a certain benefit from such enhancement, that could be also slowing his aging.

[Casurin]

Nah it is just the bad story telling (mostly Tannis), but if you listen carefully to what was actually said:
When his parents died he left the planet and started his adventure - at 16 !
If he travelled around for say 20 years before meeting his wife and crashing on Nekro he would be 36. Shortly after (say 4 years) they got the kids - so 40, and then 20 years on the planet - 60.

[NITRO]

Originally posted by Darth Cannabis:

Originally posted by Recumbent:

Honestly the games never reallly seem to give us an idea of the VARIANCE in human life spans.

What I mean is, the games do show that there seem to be a ton of mutations and physiology / morphology variance in humans at that time. Nogs / Tinks, Normal Sized Persons, Giant Humans, Humans with odd skull sizes... We have some of that variance now, but not to that striking degree or prevalence.

It's not unthinkable that at that point you may have branches of humanity or here and there odd cases where people live dramatically longer lives than the average.

At least that's how I think of it, since Typh already doesn't look like a baseline human.

Even a more simple explanation is the general pattern of increase human life spans over time, due to better medical technology, knowledge (which in this case due to fallout of corporate wars has taken a step backward in recent ages), and maybe even genetic evolution or manipulation.

Originally posted by Casurin:

Nah it is just the bad story telling (mostly Tannis), but if you listen carefully to what was actually said:
When his parents died he left the planet and started his adventure - at 16 !
If he travelled around for say 20 years before meeting his wife and crashing on Nekro he would be 36. Shortly after (say 4 years) they got the kids - so 40, and then 20 years on the planet - 60.

Alright, that still makes him look slightly younger than he is but not that much....
But why is Wainwright looking like a grizzly 75 year old veteran when he is in fact at least some 10 years younger than him?

[Darth Cannabis]

Well looking at the cybernetic and technology factor, what we can directly observe is who visually has cybernetic parts, who doesn't, and a few that are maybes.

When we look at Wainwright, what robotic or cybernetic parts can you see? Not much if any. He certainly has less extra parts than most.

So if cybernetic enhancement, in any way has a coincidental effect on aging, then we are looking at someone who ages naturally, versus someone who could be enhanced to the point, where we could legally describe them as a damn cyborg.

Of course it could be a much more simple explanation, of which there are many. When shot by his sister, he mentions it not being the first time he has been shot. Scar tissue, physical trauma, underlying medical issues, and so on, has its effects on how old one can appear. Take for example my step dad's step dad. A former MP who served in Korea, and suffered from emphysema. By age 50 he looked like a 70 year old.

Heavy drug use, could also take its toll. Ever see a picture of a meth addict or crackhead at age 30, that looks like they could be 50? Of course that can also have its polar opposite effect in rare instances. There are definitely a few older rock stars, that seem like they got chemically preserved by certain ones. So without full and complete knowledge of both their pasts, we can't even fully rule this one out. Could one look older from drug use, and the other younger from it?

So I see at least 3 perfectly logical possibilities. Cybernetics slowing aging (this one is almost all sci fi theory, with little factual base), drug use, or underlying medical conditions. 2 of those 3, are proven to have a visible effect ones looks, making it in particular more difficult to properly determine age, from a basic visual perspective.