Moze seems to be to OP

[Viper]

Strategy for her is pretty simple. WHenever there is a lot of enemies around, bring out the Iron Bear. It pretty much can take on 8-10 enemies at once.

[uni790]

I'd actually go so far as to say she's the weakest, or second to weakest of the lot, Zane's specials have near 100% uptime, one makes you nearly invincible the other duplicates whatever weapon you're using.

Fl4k pets do a silly amount of damage, as well as revive him (far more damage then Iron Bear), and he can cloak on top of it.

Can't speak too much about the siren, haven't bothered much with her, but melee characters (after Brick) have always suffered.

And poor Moze can't even use a good portion of annointments, as they only work while an action skill is active, and only buff guns, not the mech, lol

[Rhosalth]

Originally posted by uni790:

I'd actually go so far as to say she's the weakest, or second to weakest of the lot, Zane's specials have near 100% uptime, one makes you nearly invincible the other duplicates whatever weapon you're using.

Fl4k pets do a silly amount of damage, as well as revive him (far more damage then Iron Bear), and he can cloak on top of it.

Can't speak too much about the siren, haven't bothered much with her, but melee characters (after Brick) have always suffered.

And poor Moze can't even use a good portion of annointments, as they only work while an action skill is active, and only buff guns, not the mech, lol

Amara is the best of all,she can make any gun viable.

[Boboscus]

Why would one need to use guns when Iron Bear one shots everything. lol

[Rhosalth]

Originally posted by Boboscus:

Why would one need to use guns when Iron Bear one shots everything. lol

Well the other 3 vh needs guns so yeah.

[Witski]

Originally posted by Boboscus:

Why would one need to use guns when Iron Bear one shots everything. lol

pretty much this.. is super op especially with mind sweeper mod with action skill damage and grenade damage/radious.. oneshot literally everything even the new take down mobs and bosses, maliwan is easy as ever too.
Reached 8mln per shot with explosive ammo for ib and minds sweeper grenades does 800mln damage sometimes even more.. it's like krieg bloodsplosion 2.0

[Slava Ukraini]

Originally posted by Viper:

Strategy for her is pretty simple. WHenever there is a lot of enemies around, bring out the Iron Bear. It pretty much can take on 8-10 enemies at once.

that new dlc with last boss I beat on mayhem 10. Not hard only use iron bear so it go faster.

[EdinMG]

This is the problem with Patches and Buffs, Moze never really had a viable action skill because IB was trash since the game came out, people always complained about him being too weak and useless, the only purpose of IB was to proc anoints and that was it. Then they buffed IB and builds around him became viable since he could do some good damage and kill enemies, bosses included, but that was just before Mayhem 2.0 come out and he became trash again after that, everything in the game could one shot him in seconds playing on M6+. Now that they buffed him again and he can actually kill everything, people are complaining he's too OP, so one way or another, people always complain about IB.

[Fyre]

Moze has had a useless bear for years, 3 days of it being useful and people are already ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ complaining? Baffles me as much as the people saying their drops are too good during events that make your drops better.

"My character is too good and I'm getting too many good drops, wahhh!"
Just boggles my mind.

[Witski]

Originally posted by EdinMG:

This is the problem with Patches and Buffs, Moze never really had a viable action skill because IB was trash since the game came out, people always complained about him being too weak and useless, the only purpose of IB was to proc anoints and that was it. Then they buffed IB and builds around him became viable since he could do some good damage and kill enemies, bosses included, but that was just before Mayhem 2.0 come out and he became trash again after that, everything in the game could one shot him in seconds playing on M6+. Now that they buffed him again and he can actually kill everything, people are complaining he's too OP, so one way or another, people always complain about IB.

actually i never have any problem with it ,personally doing fine even before this patch could somewhat oneshot everything too with the mind sweeper grenades but now it just need only one or two shot from every gun IB have,a part flametrowers,still those thing melts quickly now NAKED

[xenophobe]

Originally posted by ✔️ namless:

that new dlc with last boss I beat on mayhem 10. Not hard only use iron bear so it go faster.

I don't even use Iron Bear except for oh crap moments... it was worthless for most of my game... besides I have a 61k cryo Backburner that pretty much melts everything. I don't need to make this game too easy.

[Slava Ukraini]

Originally posted by xenophobe:

Originally posted by ✔️ namless:

that new dlc with last boss I beat on mayhem 10. Not hard only use iron bear so it go faster.

I don't even use Iron Bear except for oh crap moments... it was worthless for most of my game... besides I have a 61k cryo Backburner that pretty much melts everything. I don't need to make this game too easy.

I have not try any anotehr then moze but yes iron bear is op but you cant have him always so when not use him it can was easy die if play on high mayhem

[Petra]

Originally posted by Viper:

Strategy for her is pretty simple. WHenever there is a lot of enemies around, bring out the Iron Bear. It pretty much can take on 8-10 enemies at once.

She has been the most useless character in this game since Mayhem 2.0 and now you complained that she too op now? Do you want to go back before the patch where she is basically useless.

[Triple-D Lloyd]

Mind sweeper moze could use a bit of adjustment, but IB, while a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ beast (literally nothing in the game will survive a full critical vanquisher rocket magazine without invulnerability phases), is balanced by his irritating tendency to kill himself if he shoots someone at too close a range (which happens disturbingly often). Seriously, 4-5 rockets into a psychos face within maybe 5 feet will shear all the health off of IB and I dont know why, it even goes through the shield...

[bluehawk188]

I rarely, if ever, need to use Iron Bear anymore. With her crit and splash damage skills at max, and more crit on guardian ranks, all I need is a CoV assault rifle and a CoV corrosive auto pistol and I'm good to go. And the Yellowcake on the side for good measure.

[Sabastein]

Agree. IB damage is ridiculous on high Mayhem?
I just finished my first playthrough and farming M2 Graveward for xp. And get a artifact that 25% chance drop micro grenade when crit.

Now I can kill M10 Graveward during 5~10sec. way faster than M2 LOL