Keybinds are a mess! Fix this!

[Mumrah]

When I got the game a while back, I didn't know about this issue. Only now am I able to play the game and I found out how terrible the menu keybinds are.

There isn't enough people talking about this issue. Players who want to change their keys cannot do so without breaking something else....

I'm surprised that we are still dealing with this problem in 2019. It has been a long while now and the problem still has not been fixed. I'm not even going to assume they are addressing it at all.

For those who may not know or play exclusively with a gamepad, the keybinds are important to K&M players.

WASD is an old set up and was ok back in late 90s. I find it stupid that "gaming" keyboards color code and label the WASD keys. I find it worse that shooters continue to put WASD as a "standard" setup. Borderlands 3 has done this. Problem here is, changing the keybinds which nearly every player does, is only going to break other things you can do in the game. Even HARD coding keys where they cannot be changed. They should be ashamed of this.

I have since moved to ESDF for movement while shifting other commands in the same manner. Why? Because keyboards have a small little raised part on the letters F and J. You put your pointer fingers there, keeping your hand closer to the center and in a more standard position for typing words. Why gaming shifted your left hand more to the left? No idea. If typing can handle pressing shift and ctrl so can gamers...

It should've been standard for a long time for console devs to develop with PC's in mind, if they ever have to go there. OR if you plan to release your console game to PC, hire a competent team to port your game....

I'm currently trying to get Autohotkey to work with a better scheme but it's very tricky. I prefer NOT to do that at all to do something as basic as changing the keybinds to a game.

[Dragontoast]

Strongly disagree, WASD is ergonomic and perfect for gaming, the only reason to deviate is if you use the mouse left handed. For right hand keyboard use PL:" is the ergonomic resting position. The "standard" keyboard positions were not designed for gaming, they were made for typing.

Typing positions can't handle holding shift, ctrl, W and A at the same time. Or in your horrible case: E and S along with A and Z. ESDF doesn't work and your reason for supporting it is weak.

[ºArchAngelº]

Ever since patch 1.40 from the original Borderlands, it's by far way more important for Gearbox to fix all those in-game "crit dmg glitches" and nerf weapons every time someone shouts OP or GLITCH on yourtube than it is to fix any basic program bugs like those found in the PC key assignment subsystem that is used to control the flow of game play. (Not important at all! LOL.) Truth be told, this PC key assignment bug actually have been with us since the original Borderlands 1! It's just gotten worst, that's all! I have reported this problem to them, at their official support site, numerous times and twice during the original Borderlands! (So good luck waiting for a fix!) The best that I've got from them are "thank you emails" BUT nothing was/is done about it even after 3 patches/updates for this iteration of Borderlands! They have known about this "PC key assignment" bug a long time ago but IT IS JUST NOT IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR THEM TO FIX compare to those very important "crit dmg glitches" players have found!

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Messaggio originale di Dyex:

I have to admit I kinda wish they had an auto run in the options in the game settings. Walking is good by default, but who needs to walk when you can slow down to aim with your gun or crouch walk.

Also when you dash into a slide, you go back to walk speed and needing to release sprint and press it again is a thing.

Hello fellow G13 user!

You can make an autowalk. Select a G key, use multiple keystroke. Press and release W. Then remove the "release W" from the right panel, you caracter will keep walking. To stop the autowalk, simple press and release the key you normally use for W.

[ºArchAngelº]

Messaggio originale di *.):

Messaggio originale di Dyex:

I have to admit I kinda wish they had an auto run in the options in the game settings. Walking is good by default, but who needs to walk when you can slow down to aim with your gun or crouch walk.

Also when you dash into a slide, you go back to walk speed and needing to release sprint and press it again is a thing.

Hello fellow G13 user!

You can make an autowalk. Select a G key, use multiple keystroke. Press and release W. Then remove the "release W" from the right panel, you caracter will keep walking. To stop the autowalk, simple press and release the key you normally use for W.

Dyex,

There is a setting under ACCESSIBILITY to Toggle/Hold Sprint but you still have to hold down the forward button after pushing sprint. While we are here, "Mantle with Forward" should also be set to "ON" as well. Default is off.


I setup a G key (repeat while holding) for Snowdrift so I can get around even quicker. You have to get the key timings (in the macro) just right though.

I also have a G Key for reloading the game. For farming those once per game bosses.

[Ihateeverybody]

I changed the Jump and Use key. E for Jump, Space for Use key and it doesn't allow me to drive through zones (transition from one area to the next in my vehicle. Activator key says none at the Zone point.

So yeah.....key binding of Hidden Parameters is continuing to be a Problem (Fallout 4 has this issue also (with regards to Settlement mode keys being Unbindable so if you change a key that matches a Build Mode Key, well......CONFORM DAMMIT, BE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE OR LIKE WE WANT IT!

So yeah, I feel the OPs anger.

Edit: And let me add.....I played F4LK or whatever recently.....Having the Pet Attack Command bound to the Primary activate key (Pet is sepearte from the Primary Activate)....Beutiful....So to direct my pet I need to WASTE A PRIMARY.....Just......♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Sinatr]

Messaggio originale di Mumrah:

I'm currently trying to get Autohotkey to work with a better scheme but it's very tricky. I prefer NOT to do that at all to do something as basic as changing the keybinds to a game.

It's actually quite easy and for many AAA games who target consoles and everything (means they are totally noobs at what PC players need). Below is my script (I am using ESDF):

; borderlands 3

#SingleInstance force
#IfWinActive, Borderlands® 3

F11::Suspend

;--- Movement

e::w 			; Forward / Accelerate
d::s 			; Back / Reverse
s::a 			; Strafe / Steer Left
f::d 			; Strafe / Steer Right
;Space::Space		; Jump
a::~Shift		; Sprint / Boost
z::LCtrl		; Crouch / Slide / Ground Slam

;--- Combat / Interaction

;LButton::LButton 	; Fire / Primary Weapon
x::v			; Melee
;r::r			; Reload
q::f			; Action skill
;g::g			; Throw Grenade
;WheelDown::WheelDown	; Next Weapon
;WheelUp::WheelUp	; Previous Weapon
;1::1			; Weapon 1
;2::2			; Weapon 2
;3::3			; Weapon 3
;4::4			; Weapon 4
w::e			; Primary Use
t::q			; Secondary Use
;c::c			; Weapon Mode
;RButton::RButton	; ADS (Aim) / Secondary Weapon

;--- Social

;p::p			; Photo Mode
;Up::Up			; Emote 1
;Down::Down		; Emote 2
;Left::Left		; Emote 3
;Right::Right		; Emote 4

;--- Miscellaneous

;[::[			; Previous Tracked Mission
;]::]			; Next Tracked Mission
v::x			; Mark Target

;--- Driving

;Space::Space		; E-Brake / Wheel Ability
;f::f			; Horn
;e::e			; Exit Vehicle
;q::q			; Swap Seats
;w::w			; Air Control Up
;s::s			; Air Control Down
;a::a			; Air Control Left
;d::d			; Air Control Right

;--- Common

;Tab::Tab		; Character Menu		<< change to I
;m::m			; Map
;l::l			; Logs
;i::i			; Inventory			<< change to TAB
;k::k			; Skills
;j::j			; Guardian Rank
;F1::F1			; Roster
;F2::F2			; Matchmaking
;F3::F3			; SHiFT
;F4::F4			; Mail
;F5::F5			; Lan Browser
b::z			; Quick Menu

#IfWinActive

[Traveler]

I rebound every key (I'm right handed so I use the arrow & numpad). I din't have any problems doing this and the controls are as responsive as any other good shooter.

[Mumrah]

Messaggio originale di Chika Ogiue:

Messaggio originale di Mumrah:

The game was released 2019

See how easy it is to word something informatively when you put your mind to it.

I didn't think the release date was so important to require a deeper explanation. I'm glad I was able to help you understand something that wasn't blatantly obvious to you.

Messaggio originale di Dragontoast:

Strongly disagree, WASD is ergonomic and perfect for gaming, the only reason to deviate is if you use the mouse left handed. For right hand keyboard use PL:" is the ergonomic resting position. The "standard" keyboard positions were not designed for gaming, they were made for typing.

Typing positions can't handle holding shift, ctrl, W and A at the same time. Or in your horrible case: E and S along with A and Z. ESDF doesn't work and your reason for supporting it is weak.

Unless you have the hands of an infant, I would I agree with you that WASD is "optimal" for gaming. At least I won't have to shift my hand to chat with people using ESDF and play the game. I hold Shift just fine while gaming and typing. Normal people type just fine holding Shift and Ctrl, it's why there are two of them on the same keyboard. One to the left and one to the right.
As for gaming, you are only limiting the keys you press by moving your hand further away from them.

I don't see why one would need to shift their hand from a typing position that also includes a gaming position.

I don't need gaming companies to tell me where to put my fingers to play a game. People may NEED to adjust the keybinds because they physically can't with "standard" controls. Supplying a menu (that works) to let players change keys will only increase the number of players i.e. sales. To let the Beancounters and none players assume this is the normal will only alienate the consumer.

I don't assume people ALWAYS change keybinds, it's clear just from this thread that there is a strong case of people not wanting to adapt. But also don't assume being able to change the controls is not a thing. We have been able to change the controls to games since before you got your first computer.

As for your example: Why do you need to press Shift (typical for running) AND Ctrl (typical for crouching) at the same time in a game? I do give it to some of the devs for putting commands that don't require you to do mental and physical gymnastics just to play the game.

Messaggio originale di Sinatr:

Messaggio originale di Mumrah:

I'm currently trying to get Autohotkey to work with a better scheme but it's very tricky. I prefer NOT to do that at all to do something as basic as changing the keybinds to a game.

It's actually quite easy and for many AAA games who target consoles and everything (means they are totally noobs at what PC players need). Below is my script (I am using ESDF):

; borderlands 3

Thank you for posting your keybind layout.

Yes, I know it is easy. It's why I call it basic. They designed the game WITHOUT PC gaming in mind. If they did, they failed pretty hard. Not just with menu to change keybinds but also the navigation with the UI! CTRL and ALT to move to other menus??? Menu keys have context and change depending on where you are! It's hilarious.

[Mumrah]

Messaggio originale di Traveler:

I rebound every key (I'm right handed so I use the arrow & numpad). I din't have any problems doing this and the controls are as responsive as any other good shooter.

That's great. This is not so when binding character movement, driving, and flying to the same keys like they are by default.

Changing flying and driving to different keys replace each other. Even if you try to match all the keys but shift each key over by one.

I have no idea how much flying will be done in the game, and probably could be bound to something else that doesn't replace driving controls.

[Dragontoast]

Messaggio originale di Mumrah:

That's great. This is not so when binding character movement, driving, and flying to the same keys like they are by default.

I have no idea how much flying will be done in the game, and probably could be bound to something else that doesn't replace driving controls.

If your only issue mapping is air movement for driving I recommend not worrying too much about it. It would just allow you to dip the front of your car down and other tricks, there aren't actual flying vehicles.

It definitely is an issue that the developers will unnassign keybinds if they overlap, lots of games do it too, I'm sure it's to "help" people from setting conflicting keys but anyone remapping is able to fix that on their own making it just annoying.

[GameplayerX]

I use a QUERTY keyboard.

I use the following primarily and have little or no problem with using the keyboard:
I have used this combo on many games for several years. Works for me.
Also being left-handed helps me a lot. I just do the basic moves. The multiple action key sequences get a bit over the top but manageable like the jumping-crouch trick etc.
The other fancy air stuff, etc I leave to the experts.

S - Fwd/Acc
X - Backup/Reverse
A,D - No Change
Space - N/C
W - Sprint/Boost
C - N/C
F - Action Skill
G/or a free mouse button for the grenades
L-Alt - Primary Use/Exit Vehicle
V - Melee
Q - Can't remember ever using this one

[Klauth]

Messaggio originale di Dragontoast:

Strongly disagree, WASD is ergonomic and perfect for gaming, the only reason to deviate is if you use the mouse left handed. For right hand keyboard use PL:" is the ergonomic resting position. The "standard" keyboard positions were not designed for gaming, they were made for typing.

Typing positions can't handle holding shift, ctrl, W and A at the same time. Or in your horrible case: E and S along with A and Z. ESDF doesn't work and your reason for supporting it is weak.

And if your kb is Azerty ? Would you play WASD that are largely hard coded, at least for vehicles ? Nope.

The KB controls are indeed a joke on BL3.

[kReoSo]

I used to use ESDF, but failed. T key is hardcoded for push-to-talk, and many interface keys cannot be changed(such as E key). Moreover, I wanted to drive cars only with keyboard keys and ignore mouse input(I wanna use my mouse only for aiming), but this can only be achieved with WASD.

But all this is typical for multiplatform games. Skyrim, Fallout 4, Witcher 3, etc. I had such problems with most of these multiplatform games. They are making games for console and porting to PC. Many bugs, especially with key remapping, are there but they just don't care.

[Dragontoast]

Messaggio originale di Klauth:

And if your kb is Azerty ? Would you play WASD that are largely hard coded, at least for vehicles ? Nope. The KB controls are indeed a joke on BL3.

I feel like that is more of a failure on Gearbox(and other devs) not offering a method to change based on your keyboard layout in control options. PC should have QWERTY, AZERTY,etc. options for every game.

From looking it up you can have AZERTY layout IF you set it to French and remap one key(like grenade) then switch back to English and you will keep AZERTY based controls. Congrats to Gearbox for one of the dumbest, most backwards ways to let players use other keyboard layouts.

[Mumrah]

Messaggio originale di Dragontoast:

Messaggio originale di Mumrah:

That's great. This is not so when binding character movement, driving, and flying to the same keys like they are by default.

I have no idea how much flying will be done in the game, and probably could be bound to something else that doesn't replace driving controls.

If your only issue mapping is air movement for driving I recommend not worrying too much about it. It would just allow you to dip the front of your car down and other tricks, there aren't actual flying vehicles.

It definitely is an issue that the developers will unnassign keybinds if they overlap, lots of games do it too, I'm sure it's to "help" people from setting conflicting keys but anyone remapping is able to fix that on their own making it just annoying.

I understand that keys will unbind when the same key is used for a different thing. I find that to be ok.

But In this case, movement, driving , and flying are all the same, and changing them to be all the same is not possible. If you what you say is true about flying, then I have a feeling I won't need to use Autohotkey to play with the controls I want.

I will attempt to change the controls in-game, ignore flying controls, and not use autohotkey to see how that goes.