Why is Sanctuary 3 such a horrible hub

[zab]

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[NormireX]

It's not. I like it.

[Animeye]

Layout and NPCs, mostly. You frequently need to go talk to Lilith, who is on the opposite side of the ship from the travel point. The central area has one staircase leading up to the floor, but it is a narrow staircase that for some reason almost always has a random NPC standing on it blocking you, so you either have to go take the ladder, or take the long way around through a side staircase.

It isn't horrible, but the cramped layout just makes getting around a bit tedious.

(Way better than running back and forth in Sanctuary or Concordia)

[TheSuit]

The biggest problem is the design of the ship.
Unlike previous places where you are in a more centralized locations with things nearby.

Here many places have no "straight" walking area - so you have to go up stairs, take a left, go down, turn, essentially its a pathing nightmare.

They could have solved this easily by having a few ladders directly to places, but nope.

[Master Blaster]

For sure when I first played I agree it was terrible I thought with the layout and some cramped places with NPC’s getting in the way sometimes...I’ve gotten used to it somewhat and gladly the most used area now for me is all in one spot..safe, loot machine and skins... still not a big fan of the ship but get what they were trying just not designed the best.

[alex010300]

It’s small compared to the hub in BL2. Hopefully some DLCs can make it bigger.

[Animeye]

Small is good. Fundamentally it is "where the shops and stash are", not a play area to explore. Loot recovery and stash are right next to the spawn point, and Marcus' shop (one you will visit most often) is a short hallway away, with Moxxi (slots!) right across the hall.
Earl (and more importantly the Eridium shop) and the bridge are annoying to get to, but luckily there isn't reason to go to them too frequently.
Making the ship bigger would be an awful mistake. A couple extra ladders and wider staircase (or just make the NPCs stay away from the staircase) would dramatically improve things.

[Black Hole]

Better than any of the other games in my opinion.

[Master Blaster]

Didn’t need bigger for sure, just better from sud machine back , rest ok

[Nite69]

I got lost my first time through the ship too but its not all that bad once ya learn the layout of it

[Animeye]

Hahaha yeah, I still get lost. I know that one time I found a way into the cargo bay through a hole or ladder somewhere in the area between Marcus and Moxxi. I swear! They must have updated the map or something @_@

[zab]

All I am saying is I am tired of getting lost in an area that I shouldn't be getting lost after hours and hours of playing in it.
Maybe if the different areas had different colors or shapes it'd be easier to navigate.

[Animeye]

Sanctuary in a nutshell

>> Bottom Floor

     D--+  E+---+
        |   |   |
        +---+   P

>> Middle Floor

         X
         +
  Q      |
S----+D  |
  V  |   |
     G---+--U
         |
         C--R

>> Top Floor

            T
            --+
              +---B
            U-+
              M

F = Fast Travel
Q = Quick Change
V = Vault
G = Golden Chest
X = Moxxi (slots)
C = Marcus (shops, SDU)
R = Gun range
T = Tannis
B = Bridge
M = Mayhem selector
E = Earl (Eridium shop)
P = Drop pod
U/D = Main staircase between floors

There are alternate staircases and ladders between floors, and occasionally a side room you need to visit for a one quest or another, but this covers probably 95% of your activity in Sanctuary III

(Note: middle floor distances greatly exaggerated to make it clear how hallways connect)

[Frogkiller]

Originally posted by zab:

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[Nite69]

One thing that is nice about Borderlands 3 is the maps are in 3d view and you can move them around to see all the workable paths, here is the one for sanctuary if it helps anyone

https://i.imgur.com/RNnFsSF.png

https://i.imgur.com/P8CjmMb.png