Gothic II: Gold Classic

Gothic II: Gold Classic

Too difficult to bother with.
I was looking forward to playing all the gothics plus arcania and then the risens before moving onto elex but this NOTR difficulty is just too much.

I typed a huge thing describing my experience but Ithink everyone knows. The increase in LP to level, the constant instant death crits, every enemy having a ton of HP and damage. And to top it off I have about 20 quests in my journal and can't seem to complete any of them. I just get no clues or even options to ask people things.

I've beaten Gothic. I've played the normal version of 2 when I was a kid. I've played the Risens too. This game is a special kind of bull.
< >
Showing 16-30 of 54 comments
Originally posted by ExecutiveOdin:
It's true the fighting isn't that hard. The problem is that it takes you many many more hits to kill an enemy than they you and if they crit you are just dead. And it feels like they crit almost half the time. So the solution would be to get a better weapon right? But the weapons have increased stat requirements then mix that with the diminshing returns on LP you are looking at 6-8 more levels than you needed in vanilla to just get your hands on a slightly better weapon.
You are just grumpy. Yes, you have higher weapon requirements, but you also have much more levels to get LP from. Until chapter 4 you already have all the skills to wield your chosen weapon with a skill of 100%. It can be done in chapter 1 if you cheese it.

Basicly you are looking at things from the wrong angle. Maths to do: Damage done by your enemies is directly tied to your armor rating. I am not 100% sure but it's probably [(str + weapon damage)/10] - armor rating. Crit is not divided by 10, and has the exact same chance as weapon skill.
So If you are facing an orc wielding 60 dmg axe, and having 100 str and 60% weapon skill (it's not real data, just an example), and you have 80 armor rating, then he will have 60% chance to deal 80 damage to you, and 40% chance to deal 5 damage to you (minimum damage done despite your armor value) and you will have a good chance to beat him.

If you are however at lvl 7, and you have like 30 armor rating, then he has 60% chance to deal a massive 130 damage, which will be more less 2/3 of your health.

So the solution for getting instantly killed is... skip the enemy until you have a better armor and more hp, or use spell scroll to beat him.

There is also the case of what are you fighting exactly. Wargs for example, are much tougher than their vanilla equivalent. In vanilla, wargs gave you 180 xp, so they were level 18. In NotR they give you 300 xp if I remember correctly, so they are level 30, and deal a lot more damage. This applies to many enemies around the world.
The good thing is, there is still difficulty progression present. At the very lowest levels you follow people around. Take Bartok and go hunting. Take Lares and let him lead you to the water mages (not to Onar's as this will bug him in this version and you won't be able to progress into the expansion). After that you can beat most wolves and scavengers. You go around the world killing them, and skip field raiders and lurkers. Then you go increase your weapon skill and str/dex a bit, and go hunt those you skipped. Then you can start killing lizards and snappers. It goes on and on, with every milestone giving you more and more xp.

There are places where you can gain massive xp by using rain of fire. You can summon golems and skeletons to help you clear groups you cannot handle alone. You can kill trolls by running around in circles and hitting 2-3 times while being behind them.

Possibilities are unlimited.
ExecutiveOdin Jan 9, 2018 @ 1:39pm 
But see I don't want to have min/max or meta game or do math to complete quests. I want to build my character as it makes sense to the way I am playing. It's an RPG afterall.

You can skip the enemy, unless you have to beat him for a quest. So eah ignore the quest but what if you are doing that quest because yo uare ignoring five others? So just go fight stuff and level right? Sure I could go into the woods and hack away at stuff with a short little wolf knife constantly running back to beds to free heal to save resources and spend hour after hour trying to get those next few levels so I can maybe complete the next quest.

Or I can uninstall an unbalanced difficulty mod and enjoy the game the same way I enjoyed the first one (everything but the end at least).
You don't have to minmax or meta anything. Sure, you can to get the extra 40 damage or something, but it's completely optional.

But hey, thousands of people have beaten the game without minmaxing anything or even being good at video games (like me) so they did it somehow. Don't be salty, give it a try when your emotions settle. It's worth it.
@ExecutiveOdin

There are many ways to play the game. What you describe isn't necessary. You would simply focus on errand boy tasks, talking to everyone, avoid fighting, perhaps not joining a faction too early, but checking out the other factions first. Eventually, you will get stronger, and once you notice you can hunt some animals or monsters, why not do that? You may even use food and items to get bonuses without meta-gaming. While it can be helpful to know in advance that there are many permanent bonuses to get, you don't need to save them for later.

Anyway, as the NOTR expansion rebalances the game to make it more difficult, maybe return to the Gold Edition once you've experienced the base game. The Gold Edition offers a worthwhile experience.
R4ven1x Jan 10, 2018 @ 3:18am 
Originally posted by SMERF POGROMCA WOŁYNIA:
Originally posted by rvn:
Took me 25 hours to complete the game yesterday. And i havent completed it before, even tho i know it since i was a kid. Its not that hard really.
I don't think it's possible to complete it in 25 hours unless you are speedrunning or only considering jarkhendar.
Took me exactly 24h 59 minutes and i was level 39, no speed running done at all. The hard part is untill you finish chapter 3, then its like 4 - 5 - 6 in a couple of hours.
Last edited by R4ven1x; Jan 10, 2018 @ 3:20am
Niebieski klopsik Jan 10, 2018 @ 4:13am 
Originally posted by rvn:
Originally posted by SMERF POGROMCA WOŁYNIA:
I don't think it's possible to complete it in 25 hours unless you are speedrunning or only considering jarkhendar.
Took me exactly 24h 59 minutes and i was level 39, no speed running done at all. The hard part is untill you finish chapter 3, then its like 4 - 5 - 6 in a couple of hours.
Well I don't know. Are you sure you played NotR? I have done no speedrunning, and I also haven't been too slow really, and my playthrough was 68 hours... almost three times as long. I don't think I could've gone faster. On the other hand I did clear every single monster in the world.
R4ven1x Jan 10, 2018 @ 10:57am 
Originally posted by SMERF POGROMCA WOŁYNIA:
Originally posted by rvn:
Took me exactly 24h 59 minutes and i was level 39, no speed running done at all. The hard part is untill you finish chapter 3, then its like 4 - 5 - 6 in a couple of hours.
Well I don't know. Are you sure you played NotR? I have done no speedrunning, and I also haven't been too slow really, and my playthrough was 68 hours... almost three times as long. I don't think I could've gone faster. On the other hand I did clear every single monster in the world.
Well thats your reason. I didnt kill everything possible but i didnt speed run the game. And yeah i Have played NOTR because that is what i have bought and i had Claw Of Beliar. SOo yeah.
m4djoker Jan 16, 2018 @ 11:46pm 
Try l'hiver edition then we can speak of difficulty :p
Mattzio Jan 17, 2018 @ 12:43am 
Originally posted by m4djoker:
Try l'hiver edition then we can speak of difficulty :p
Or Returning :b
I just completed the NOTR once more after a long time and I did feel the same.

The game is ridiculously hard, maybe even unfair at the beginning because enemies crit like crazy and even a farmer with a wooden club with his non-existant armor can 2-hit you with medium merc armor or even light dragon scale armor. What a joke!

Even if you don't "waste" any skills and skill straight into strenght in combination with 2H-weapons you eventually can't keep up with the increased learning point requirements and need to find many many stone tables and do a lot of enemie grinding which is very tedious up to like level 15-20.

The BIGGEST problem of the whole game is the Claw of Beliar to be honest. I was about level 20 when i faced Raven and got the Claw of Beliar and suddenly an Orc was a mere joke to fight, people died so fast because of the Claw's special attack it is messed up. Since all the other weapons I had around this time (self-forged Ore-2H weapon) were completely inferior this was the only convenient way to continue playing.
So all of their great and awesome variety of weapons they implemented in this game got completely ignored by me which is sad, since this was one of Gothic's strenghts to level up and increase your stats and be rewarded with a better weapon.

I played G2 when it was initially released and it was a much smoother experience than G2 NOTR. As much I like Jharkendar and added quests and items the balance is broken which is very annoying.

PCMaker Jan 24, 2019 @ 5:56am 
the combat mechanics are trash, unresponsive, unintuitive, i had no problems with Risen games, whereas i struggle with gothic 2, eveything is off, hit boxes, the wierd combo mechanics, the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ camera i had chance to witness, somehow fighthing humans is fine (or much better, because parry) but fighting wild monsters where most of the tact is stunlock, jesus
Tomha Jan 25, 2019 @ 4:34pm 
I have to agree with the OP. I had gotten the game back then before the expansion came and found the game difficulty to just be fine. I didn't think it was "too easy"

But NotR was just overkill. Truth be told mates, I actually had to cheat just to speed things along. Like the Civillians would always ko me so instead of waiting to get back up several times per person I just F8 up grab my weapon and fight till I won. I didn't wanna spend all day loosing just for a level or 2. I abused platforming and spellscrolls too. And of course spammed K and F8 to quickly move along paths I already cleared. I would at least clear the pathways first before I "fast traveled".

I actually never struggled against wildlife though. Just npcs.

Even all the information of the guide I made to others can't really counter the difficulty, just helps ease the pain lol.

I still love the atmosphere, tone, and world of the game though. NotR was interesting but I just wish there was a mod for NotR without the difficulty spike.
[P]etya Feb 1, 2019 @ 6:33am 
Originally posted by NIEBIESKI KLOPSIK:
Originally posted by rvn:
Took me 25 hours to complete the game yesterday. And i havent completed it before, even tho i know it since i was a kid. Its not that hard really.
I don't think it's possible to complete it in 25 hours unless you are speedrunning or only considering jarkhendar.

It is, without speedrunning. Jharkendar only takes like max 2 or 3 hours to complete.
Tomha Feb 1, 2019 @ 10:01am 
It's totally possible. I know the game seems to drag out forever, but it's actually got a normal/sensible pace.

I started replaying it recently, and hard. The beginning of the game is still a ballbuster but by the time I could reach Jharkendar before entering the Valley of Mines, it got alot easier. You just gotta hold out, work up that STR and weapon skill, seriously. Hell I did it as a Mage, only trained STR up to 34 and began using/eating every enhancer I found (I was gonna pour all my other LP into magic.) Ditto for the most part on a 2 hander. By the end of Jharkendar my mage had around 80 or so STR, and the Paladins 2 hander, a 80 damage sword.

Admittedly I used cheat codes to let my guy use the Claw of Belliar and not Runes cause...well I wanted the friggin sword!

I just wish we could wear any armor in the game without any grief.
[P]etya Feb 1, 2019 @ 2:57pm 
I once completed the game in like 18hrs with a melee (dexterity, Master Sword) and mage hybrid build. I rushed for 60 dex so I could use the Master Sword and clear chapter 1 faster. At like Circle 3, when more powerful spells come into play as well, you will be able to clear the later chapters much faster. I don't have to say that at lategame you will be steamrolling the game with Rain of Fire.

Only Chapter 1 is really long, it takes up half of the gameplay time. It also depends on what your build, because each build has their strong and weak phases of the game, which I think follows a pattern like this:

Strength Melee: Mediocre Early Game, Strong Mid Game, Weak Late Game
Dexterity Archer: Strong Early Game, Weak Mid Game, Mediocre Late Game
Mana Mage: Weak Early Game, Mediocre Mid Game, Strong Late Game
< >
Showing 16-30 of 54 comments
Per page: 1530 50

Date Posted: Jan 8, 2018 @ 11:43pm
Posts: 54