Too difficult to bother with.

[ExecutiveOdin]

I was looking forward to playing all the gothics plus arcania and then the risens before moving onto elex but this NOTR difficulty is just too much.

I typed a huge thing describing my experience but Ithink everyone knows. The increase in LP to level, the constant instant death crits, every enemy having a ton of HP and damage. And to top it off I have about 20 quests in my journal and can't seem to complete any of them. I just get no clues or even options to ask people things.

I've beaten Gothic. I've played the normal version of 2 when I was a kid. I've played the Risens too. This game is a special kind of bull.

[Niebieski klopsik]

I've posted a guide on how to handle the difficulty and come out on top. You'd have to find it on the steam forums since I post from steam mobile device and can't copy links. The thread title is "quickstart guide and various general tips" or something like that.

It's a collection of tips that will make your experience smoother.
Basicly, you have to employ tactics. In vanilla gothic 2, combat could be handled by simply standing in place and attacking, and sometimes blocking. In notr however, you have to put much more effort into combat to be successful.

Honestly, read the guide, and you'll find that the difficulty is not as much of a deal anymore. It's all based on my experience.

[ExecutiveOdin]

I did some searches but couldn't find the guide. Doesn't matter though because it's just not fun. I don't want to have to min/max or plan a build around stone tablets and potions to have any chance of keeping up with the awful new stat requirements on weapons if I want to have any hope to also be able to spend LP on other things. In Gothic 1 it was a tough start but then you get some armor and a well made weapon and the world opens up to you. Gothic 2 never stops beating on you and it's not because the game is unbalanced it's because they later decided to make it unbalanced.

I'm trying to find a vanilla copy of the game now.

[ExecutiveOdin]

Awesome. I managed to find a german website with a download that removes NOTR from the gold edition. Confirmed it by starting a new game and the stone tablet isn't next to xardas.

[Niebieski klopsik]

Well notr is only difficult until around level 23, then you can take most monsters and orcs, even two orcs at once. Getting there is the problem, but it can be done. It's very rewarding to do it tho.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Don't give up. It's a worthwhile experience. Just don't attack everyone and everything on sight, but focus on errand boy tasks in the city of Khorinis for some while being careful whenever you explore outside the city.

[Niebieski klopsik]

The guide is on page 3 or 4 of steam forums. Just search for keywodd "quickstart".

[Quickshooter]

NOTR is pretty $hit when it comes to balance but it's managable if you're good at exploting enemy patterns and movement

i'ed say if you're really struggling, join the monastery and become a mage
kite your enemies around you and grind all the orcs down with a simple fire rain

[R4ven1x]

Took me 25 hours to complete the game yesterday. And i havent completed it before, even tho i know it since i was a kid. Its not that hard really. Gets easier when you get the Claw of Beliar, its overpowered as heck!

[Niebieski klopsik]

Originally posted by rvn:

Took me 25 hours to complete the game yesterday. And i havent completed it before, even tho i know it since i was a kid. Its not that hard really.

I don't think it's possible to complete it in 25 hours unless you are speedrunning or only considering jarkhendar.

[ExecutiveOdin]

Man just running through the first town again I'm noticing so many differences. Weapons are slightly weaker but cost 50X less to buy. Other weapons do much less damage but also have extremely reduced stat requirements. Merchants aren't screwing me over on prices. My quest log isn't bloated.

And Lares makes way more sense as just a guy working for the mercs watching the docks instead of a guy working for the mercs, also working for the ring, who can also help me into any faction, even though he is in the mercs.

[Niebieski klopsik]

As I said, difficulty is there to be rewarding. I've personally liked the vanilla experience more. For my own reasons.
However the learning curve of NotR is a sight to behold, and while it is really, really frustrating to get into it and stay alive, it really, really rewards you later, when you can finally take that single orc down (on a side note, you can beat the orcs even at lvl 1 with proper moves and timing). While I think the difficulty is an overkill, I also think that the added content from Jharkendar is totally worth it.

[Mattzio]

Well, I have got already 76 hours played I must say getting into fighting is pretty easy. For bandits, you should go around left or right when they rush and attack from the side, best tactic. For most animals, go with one hit then quickly step back and repeat that, it shouldn’t be hard.

[ExecutiveOdin]

It's true the fighting isn't that hard. The problem is that it takes you many many more hits to kill an enemy than they you and if they crit you are just dead. And it feels like they crit almost half the time. So the solution would be to get a better weapon right? But the weapons have increased stat requirements then mix that with the diminshing returns on LP you are looking at 6-8 more levels than you needed in vanilla to just get your hands on a slightly better weapon.

[D36]

Originally posted by ExecutiveOdin:

I managed to find a german website with a download that removes NOTR from the gold edition.

May I have it too, please?

[ExecutiveOdin]

Originally posted by D36:

Originally posted by ExecutiveOdin:

I managed to find a german website with a download that removes NOTR from the gold edition.

May I have it too, please?

https://www.worldofgothic.de/dl/download_230.htm

There ya go.