melee dodge & "speed" boost glith

[Aiden Araneo]

Is this the same? I never seen that someone use melee dodge for that glith...

Do you really gain that much speed by looking like complete psychopath and giving me headache that I will shoot in self defence to keep me sane?

I saw that and it looks like it can give you 0,0001 millimetre per hour speed boost. What I mean, I will never see that benefit to use it, assuming that looking like psychopath is not a benefit.

I was using melee dodge with every rifle with fixed bayonet, I perfectly know what is that, I would appreciate... Player that I won't point finger on him, to not be a complete (you know what I want to say) and stop judge when have no room for it. Thanks in advance (I hope).

[RIP]

I understand that it looks funny when you first witness it, but people wouldn’t be using it unless it gives you pretty remarkable advantage. Do a simple test against outcasts. You will get caught if you run like normal. You easily outrun them when you use melee trick.

I wouldn’t use it with any weapons with bayonet attached though, as it gets extremely dangerous with it. As a matter of fact, I’ve resetted my account to get rid of all the bayonets.

We can’t blame people for using the trick. It’s such a well-known trick that pretty much every players in lv50 use and they use it for a reason; faster movements, faster aiming, saving stamina, confusing enemy movements and etc.

If you want people to stop using it, sadly, that is not likely to happen. It’s just how the game has been and people have learned how to utilize it.

[Aiden Araneo]

I have a few issues that I want to point out...

What happend to that "melee dodge" with bayonets? It was existing, right?

What happend to all the people who were scared when someone take cardio as a perk? I prefer cardio that giving myself headache...

I didn't say that it's funny. It's rather annoying. I like to listen to the sounds of the environment, but that impossible when someone just "punch punch punch". I meet one that was "leading", but me running with normal speed didn't slow down the unit, moreover, the screen wasn't pulled at all. That's why I assume that it gives you nothing.

You said that "people wouldn't be using it unless it gives you pretty remarkable advantage". So I assume that you using "Dvorak keyboard". You know, it's the best layout and If you're not using it, then you can't type in the most efficient way. I would use it, but it's hard to get. That's the best example that people not always use something what is really good.

For me, it's another stupid e-sport trick. I prefer immersing myself into the game. So I mostly shoot who's visibly insane.

Some people, for my request, stopped. There was only one guy who refuse.

I won't give away my bayonet. This is almost like my heritage. Don't blame me for that. I could give it away, however, we didn't get the sword, so I don't have anything to defend myself when ammo runs out...

And here we reach a "safezone". People use laser weapons, or throw so much ammo that's looks like another e-sport trick. I understand it, but since I'm so immersed, I dislike wasting so much bullets... Do you ever enter shuttle with no ammo? That was good memories when I bring no ammo and still able to finish mission. But no, people need to have "no worries" when it comes to gameplay... For me, it stopped being fun...

Why, I'm asking why we can't just use cardio, shield, bayonet and jump packs? Every time there is snow planet, how many times you use something else that terrain boots? Snow planets were created to be difficult, and their task was to encourage people to use vehicle. How many people use vehicle on snow planets?

[RIP]

I’m not sure what you mean by ppl being scared by cardio. Afaik no one cares whether one brings cardio or not.

If you want to see if melee trick gives you speed boost or not, just do the simple test against outcasts as I’ve said. And no, I don’t use dvorak keyboard and you don’t need anything like e-sport pro tool to use the trick.

There’s nothing wrong with using bayo. I got rid of it because I’m a fan of melee dodge and I hate stabbing ppl, but since you don’t seem to be one using the trick, it matters not.

You don’t get to blame people for their loadouts. I have no clue why it stopped being fun for you when people bring enough ammo or laser weapons. People get to use whatever they like. It has nothing to do with you; it’s their fun. Just bring whatever you like and try to have fun with it yourself.

I don’t know why you’ve brought it up from the first place, but as for snow planets, my opinion is that it’s a failed design. I don’t plan to argue about it, it’s just how I feel. You seem to believe that for some reason it’s only fair for us to use jumppacks and vehicles, but not terrain boots. Yet again, people get to use whatever they want to use. If you want to use jumppacks, or vehicles, sure why not. If you want to use terrain boots, go ahead. I do not see anything wrong with it.

You need to clarify why you feel bad about the issues you’ve mentioned above, because as for now, it seems like you are giving too much thoughts on others’ loadouts. It’s not something you can control, which is why it’s pointless to get upset about it. It would get much easier if you let them be.

[RIP]

I’ll keep it simple. Let people play the way they want, unless they purposely ruin your fun.

As for me I honestly don’t like it when people use turrets, but I don’t say a word about it because it’s their loadouts. It’s their choices to make, not mine. I know they are not trying to ruin my fun; they are just seeking their own fun although it happens to not match with mine. I respect that and try to find my fun in my own way still. Same goes to using terrain boots or melee dodging. Let them use it. Learn to live with it.

[Bael]

Originally posted by Dr. Doctor:

I’ll keep it simple. Let people play the way they want, unless they purposely ruin your fun.

As for me I honestly don’t like it when people use turrets, but I don’t say a word about it because it’s their loadouts. It’s their choices to make, not mine. I know they are not trying to ruin my fun; they are just seeking their own fun although it happens to not match with mine. I respect that and try to find my fun in my own way still. Same goes to using terrain boots or melee dodging. Let them use it. Learn to live with it.

There is no such thing as "melee dodging". What people call melee dodge/melee sprint is an exploit and technically a cheat. Not an intended part of the game unlike auto-turrets. Why you mention all-terrain boots is beyond me. A purely passive perk, not effecting other squad members in any way. The use of auto turrets is like with any other equipment. When used wisely they can be very effective (eg tesla close, mini-gun far).

I don't only speak for myself when i say using this exploit is very annoying and destracting. As a matter of fact, developers tried to patch it, but with limited success. Additionally disrupting when SH20 shield is equipped and some ADHD diver disables it constantly when rushing forward like there is trophy waiting for whoever reaches the next destination first. Throw in a trident and that player becomes more hazardous than a mob of cyborg warlords.

[YOPG]

If I recall melee dodge wasn't meant to be part of the design and there were even attempts to fix it but later it was changed into the feature and left untouched.

[RIP]

I’ve mentioned the terrain boots only because the op mention how it’s not fun for people to be using it. You might want to check the threads first.

I understand how you dislike Tridents, as I’ve seen you numerous times in-game, yet I don’t like turrets for the similar reason; it hazardous. What’s more important is, I don’t mind people using it still and you don’t kick people for using Trident(as I’ve seen it). I don’t see why we can’t come to an agreement that we all have our preferences and should respect that.

Now calling melee dodging an exploit is also a matter of preference. There’s no concrete line that indicates where ‘exploit’ starts and ends. In my perspective losing gears by pitfall then reconnect so that one gets to call his equipments again is more like an exploit. Most of the co-op games prevent you from getting resupplies that way. Should we ban people for doing that? No, because that’s how Helldivers is made; it lets us to do so, so why should point fingers at people using it?

Who draws the line? Who are the judges? Who decide what’s right or wrong? I don’t think we should be pointing our fingers at anyone playing the game the way they want, unless it’s strictly forbidden and causes ban. If we force others to play the game the way we want, major problem comes in. It’s called community breakdown.

[Bael]

Originally posted by Dr. Doctor:

Who draws the line

You did. You said...


"unless they purposely ruin your fun."

Turrets are barely used. Not Tridents though. The pinnacle of a boring nuisance of a trident user i encountered just yesterday. Continouos Rapidfire, no breaks, rushing like a maniac.

When someone damages me and my shield using an exploit, it is purposefully ruining my fun. Someone who disconnects and re-joins, on purpose or not, doesn't pose a constant nuisance. And adding the fact that this barely ever happens.

[RIP]

I’m not trying to discuss whether turrets or tridents are hazardous and should be banned or not. It was only an example that I have brought up for the main topic, which is melee dodge. Whether you like it or not it exists, just like any other notions that have been created by players in other game; shimmy in fighting games, bunnyhop in cs, riven animation cancel and so much more. It doesn’t have to be directly mentioned by devs for technics to exist.

Also that line you claim that I’ve drawn is just a common concept of Freedom and Responsibility. It’s not the line I’ve drawn as it has always been there, and in every other aspects of society. I didn’t even have to mention it but I did just in case there’s anyone who doesn’t already acknowledge it.

[Mhattrix]

They are the same thing, I advice you to master it so you can save your cardio perk for another thing, also it's not "fixed" for a reason, it got from a glitch into a game mechanic, like pulling neutral mobs in Dota 2

[Aiden Araneo]

Originally posted by Mhattrix:

They are the same thing, I advice you to master it so you can save your cardio perk for another thing, also it's not "fixed" for a reason, it got from a glitch into a game mechanic, like pulling neutral mobs in Dota 2

I'm very sorry, but I won't follow your advice. I'm staying with what No Trident said:

Originally posted by No Trident:

I don't only speak for myself when i say using this exploit is very annoying and destracting. As a matter of fact, developers tried to patch it, but with limited success. Additionally disrupting when SH20 shield is equipped and some ADHD diver disables it constantly when rushing forward like there is trophy waiting for whoever reaches the next destination first. Throw in a trident and that player becomes more hazardous than a mob of cyborg warlords.

[RIP]

Why did you even post this if you were not planning to listen to anyone with second opinions?

[YOPG]

Originally posted by Dr. Doctor:

Why did you even post this if you were not planning to listen to anyone with second opinions?

That's kind of a "do what I do and everything else is wrong" post.
He wasn't open to a discussion from the beginning.

[Aiden Araneo]

Originally posted by YOPG:

Originally posted by Dr. Doctor:

Why did you even post this if you were not planning to listen to anyone with second opinions?

That's kind of a "do what I do and everything else is wrong" post.
He wasn't open to a discussion from the beginning.

You both wrong. I was reading all of it, and I stop complaining when I see people doing it. I can see that people want to have benefits of using that exploit/trick/callithowyouwant, so I won't blame anyone. So how I'm not open?

I have right to not do it. Expecially when I'm not slowing down the team. And I never slow down the team.

[YOPG]

That's not what I meant. I'm assuming you made the discussion just so more people with the same thoughts will agree with you.

And the post I made earlier points one of your sentences "I was using melee dodge with every rifle with fixed bayonet, I perfectly know what is that, I would appreciate... Player that I won't point finger on him, to not be a complete (you know what I want to say) and stop judge when have no room for it. Thanks in advance (I hope)."

So I can read by that that don't want to listen to the other side.