My speculation onto real state of illuminates troops lore

[o-o-o-Tekno-Musang-o-o-o]

It is obvious that all data onto ''enemy'' factions in game's encyclopedia is written from Super Earth's propaganda perspective, so I decided to write what actually every Illuminates troop is. As we know Illuminates value knowledge but looking onto them - I can also say they value spirituality and life... And most probably they are most peaceful race in the setting who believe and act in the way of ''you can achieve more via talk than by fight", which is..... rather work.... if you dont deal with humans and hurtful regiments orientated onto imperialistic propaganda..... So.... call them nice, good, cute, lit fools if you want in this case, but.... Most likely they just never had the case before Super Earth which taught them this, or they had some local occasion which made them this way, we dont know, but this is what I believe they actually are, almost none of their's troops are an actual military unit. Also we know that Illuminates observed Earth (most likely) long before it became ''Super'' as well as.... many other planets and systems. And we don't really know how they use the ability to control electricity, and what devices they use, their's machinery, so I'll speculate onto this a little as well, cause it looks like almost all their's ''weapons'' are just remade tools which normally used for totally different tasks.... or they just using it in ''non-intended'' way.... I mean... anyone can use welder or even pen as a weapon... so this is my idea here.

Observers - originally just observation probes used on other planets, especially inhabited by other creatures, invisible not to scare them and to remain unknown. Every other version of original observer is fast-made modification to somehow confront Super Earth and nohow an original models. (Fast-made cause every modification is so big that it becomes easily visible even in invisibility mode)

Hunter - I really dont have much to say about them, and I least sure about Hunters and Apprentices. So only thought I have about hunters - they are just.... kind of militia... volunteered Squi'thes who want to help in the war and nohow a trained military unit. I came to this conclusion looking onto tactics - they use least dangerous methods, attacks are slow which rather comes from their's experience with device than from device's flaws, they run from you in close range etc. Static discharger don't look like an actual weapon, either, cause of how slow it is and visibility of static before it will even shoot, etc.

Apprentice - taking into account that illuminates rather spiritual and very peaceful race - Apprentices can be just monks... and their's staffs can be a reference to cases when some monks were taking weapons and engaging into battles... like some Chinese groups... or Japanese, this can be the case here as well, and ''stun'' orb can be.... just usage of electricity, or going a bit deeper into TOTAL speculation - they can be healers as well and this discharge is somewhat of anesthesia.

Tripods/Striders - this one is pretty easy, but I still have two variants about them. First is - tripods are just labour machines which doing HEAVY LIFTING for illuminates, some construction works, maintenance, anything of this kind, and since they were massively produced - they just fast-fast rebuild them into war-machines via adding(or reconfiguring) electric discharger onto them. Second one is - this are an actual main Illuminates suppression/military force, they keep, if they REALLY have no other choice but to fight enemy on the field, orientated onto suppressing by numbers.

Outcasts - outcasts was the easiest - this is the ACTUAL trained military of illuminates - they invisible, fast, organised, deal huge damage, etc. This is the actual specialists in war-aspect of illuminates and nohow an actual outcasts

Illusionist - can be actual mentors of Iluminates specie and.... healers as well, I mean nanobot technology can be used for medical purposes nonetheless, energy orbs just DONT look like an weaponry, they can be used for tons of stuff... but as weapon it looks ABSOLUTELY inefficient, slow, not directional... area of effect is too small to call it viable. It is just an orb of energy.... intended use can be.... like..... make up your's own. I have no clue which conventional tech and devices they use..... but im pretty sure control of electricity plays huge role in them, and if not all Squi'thes can use it - at least most can, and energy orbs is just one of way to use it, like maybe they even can consciously and manually give it desired form etc.

Councils - actual government.... or rather top branch of mentors, farsights of the specie, who are... most likely highly valued by everyone amongst illuminates. They supposed to know indeed much... and have... enormous self-development and understanding of world they all live in, and I think they the actual Squi'thes who teach or present their's knowledge and experience to other Squi'thes together with Illusionists, Councils are just a bit farther on their's path and development.... or rather just have more experience than Illusionists..
Only thing different from Illusionists they have is.... longer pursuing distance... which can represent their's psychic development which allows them to predict or even literally see you from far away even without direct line of sight or knowledge of your's dislocation... Some "supernatural" shade in them as representation of same thing in someone who grew really much inside of themselves and mastered knowledge of self and world they live in.
(I hope you... at least somewhat understood what I meant by last sentence... very poor formulation and wording... but this is for now)

Thanks for reading.

[Aiden Araneo]

That is some work there. But... I'm not sure about it... "Superearth propaganda" was trying just a little to explain how Illuminates society works, and you didn't take it into consideration, or try to explain it by yourself. Outcasts are literally outcasts - they were described as: "Outcasts are the Apprentices that tried to attain knowledge and failed. Shamed by their society for not being able to learn fast enough, Outcasts are forced to fight on the battlefield, draped in a cloaking field, improperly armed with only melee weapons.

They are the perfect example of how the Illuminate treats its own citizens, forced to fight and die for their lack of knowledge."
You writing about rather wise alien race. Deploying big unit that is armed with melee and in cloaking field and calling them an "ACTUAL trained military" - it's cannon fodder, nothing more.

You didn't even touch the Great Eye, which is... Understandable.
"Intel suggests the Illuminate Great Eye to be large AI creatures monitoring the Illuminate society and correcting any discrepancies in behaviour or even thought. (...)" That would suggest that they have similar way of treating their citizens, on a higher level. That doesn't work with your "theory", does it?

[o-o-o-Tekno-Musang-o-o-o]

Aiden Araneo eredeti hozzászólása:

That is some work there. But... I'm not sure about it... "Superearth propaganda" was trying just a little to explain how Illuminates society works, and you didn't take it into consideration, or try to explain it by yourself. Outcasts are literally outcasts - they were described as: "Outcasts are the Apprentices that tried to attain knowledge and failed. Shamed by their society for not being able to learn fast enough, Outcasts are forced to fight on the battlefield, draped in a cloaking field, improperly armed with only melee weapons.

They are the perfect example of how the Illuminate treats its own citizens, forced to fight and die for their lack of knowledge."
You writing about rather wise alien race. Deploying big unit that is armed with melee and in cloaking field and calling them an "ACTUAL trained military" - it's cannon fodder, nothing more.

You didn't even touch the Great Eye, which is... Understandable.
"Intel suggests the Illuminate Great Eye to be large AI creatures monitoring the Illuminate society and correcting any discrepancies in behaviour or even thought. (...)" That would suggest that they have similar way of treating their citizens, on a higher level. That doesn't work with your "theory", does it?

I mean, it written... purely from propagandistic aspect, as we know neither illumis have the device which can destroy planets, neither cyborgs blowed any bombs, it were proved before. I didnt touched it cause anyone can open it and read it. I forgot about Great Eye.
GE is just a huge AI which containing data, there is not a single proof of civilian control or anything else. It actually can be highly sophisticated and consciousness AI.
Can be not.
Biggest note to it were cyborgs lore in it which written from highly racistic perspective.
I just read between the lines and added 2 + 2. If you dont see what I meant by ''propaganda'' - you fit.... YOu'll have a good peaceful life. have a good day.

If you think that Super Earth not total aggressor on every front and somehow encyclopedia and whole SP's state is not militaristically-propagandistic - check wiki

[Aiden Araneo]

Foxit Youkai eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean, it written... purely from propagandistic aspect, as we know neither illumis have the device which can destroy planets, neither cyborgs blowed any bombs, it were proved before.

First, you still didn't explain their society.
Second, you saw Super Earth being blown up after lost war. And now you're saying that Illuminates doesn't have device to destroy planets?

[o-o-o-Tekno-Musang-o-o-o]

Aiden Araneo eredeti hozzászólása:

Foxit Youkai eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean, it written... purely from propagandistic aspect, as we know neither illumis have the device which can destroy planets, neither cyborgs blowed any bombs, it were proved before.

First, you still didn't explain their society.
Second, you saw Super Earth being blown up after lost war. And now you're saying that Illuminates doesn't have device to destroy planets?

Edited my first reply

[o-o-o-Tekno-Musang-o-o-o]

Aiden Araneo eredeti hozzászólása:

Foxit Youkai eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean, it written... purely from propagandistic aspect, as we know neither illumis have the device which can destroy planets, neither cyborgs blowed any bombs, it were proved before.

First, you still didn't explain their society.
Second, you saw Super Earth being blown up after lost war. And now you're saying that Illuminates doesn't have device to destroy planets?

It blown up by bugs as well.... somehow
How the heck can I explain their's society having zero information onto it. Everything I said comes from at least some logic based on what I can see, there is not a single clue given to say anything about their's society.

I mean reason to attack onto bugs were amounts of Oil in their's sector + you can use bug's blood as energy source
Cyborgs just a huge faction with a bit less braindead policy and freedom who obviously attacks SP cause they were repressed like hell
And Illumis just have technology which gone further in progress than SP's one for thousands years if not more.

Answer is obvious.

I cant see how cloak+melee dont work as ''trained military'' if this is a worked doctrine when you have weaponry presented (in illumis arsenal).
Normies being normies

Sad I cant delete spam comments under own threads rip valve

Now please tell me that your's government not ♥♥♥♥♥ you in the ass and irl society is 100% ok.

[Aiden Araneo]

Foxit Youkai eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean reason to attack onto bugs were amounts of Oil in their's sector + you can use bug's blood as energy source
Cyborgs just a huge faction with a bit less braindead policy and freedom who obviously attacks SP cause they were repressed like hell
And Illumis just have technology which gone further in progress than SP's one for thousands years if not more.

Answer is obviousl.

Illums yes, but they could use their knowledge in armed race. Could not.
But bugs were spreading and were wild, with no pecefull solutions to do.
Cyborgs... It's, in my opinion, sick (in a bad way) to add mechanical parts (not the replacements of natural if your natural part become unusable) to your own body, not to mention some units... And you forgot their iron/steel factories and, probably, resourse-rich Cyborgs homeplanet, just as well as knowledge of Illuminates, Bugs for oil, and Cyborgs having resourses.

It's not that obvious.

Foxit Youkai eredeti hozzászólása:

I cant see how cloak+melee dont work as ''trained military'' if this is a worked doctrine when you have weaponry presented (in illumis arsenal).

OK then cannon fodder but with training, just like soldiers deployed by Soviet Union during Second World War.

Foxit Youkai eredeti hozzászólása:

Sad I cant delete spam comments under own threads rip valve

My comments is spam for you? I can unsubscribe and won't write back if you don't want to discuss in your own discussion.

Foxit Youkai eredeti hozzászólása:

Now please tell me that your's government not ♥♥♥♥♥ you in the ass and irl society is 100% ok.

It is. And society isn't. And what? To our discussion it's totally irrelevant. We're talking about a video game for crying out loud.

[o-o-o-Tekno-Musang-o-o-o]

Aiden Araneo eredeti hozzászólása:

Foxit Youkai eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean reason to attack onto bugs were amounts of Oil in their's sector + you can use bug's blood as energy source
Cyborgs just a huge faction with a bit less braindead policy and freedom who obviously attacks SP cause they were repressed like hell
And Illumis just have technology which gone further in progress than SP's one for thousands years if not more.

Answer is obviousl.

Illums yes, but they could use their knowledge in armed race. Could not.
But bugs were spreading and were wild, with no pecefull solutions to do.
Cyborgs... It's, in my opinion, sick (in a bad way) to add mechanical parts (not the replacements of natural if your natural part become unusable) to your own body, not to mention some units... And you forgot their iron/steel factories and, probably, resourse-rich Cyborgs homeplanet, just as well as knowledge of Illuminates, Bugs for oil, and Cyborgs having resourses.

It's not that obvious.

Foxit Youkai eredeti hozzászólása:

I cant see how cloak+melee dont work as ''trained military'' if this is a worked doctrine when you have weaponry presented (in illumis arsenal).

OK then cannon fodder but with training, just like soldiers deployed by Soviet Union during Second World War.

Foxit Youkai eredeti hozzászólása:

Sad I cant delete spam comments under own threads rip valve

My comments is spam for you? I can unsubscribe and won't write back if you don't want to discuss in your own discussion.

Foxit Youkai eredeti hozzászólása:

Now please tell me that your's government not ♥♥♥♥♥ you in the ass and irl society is 100% ok.

It is. And society isn't. And what? To our discussion it's totally irrelevant. We're talking about a video game for crying out loud.

HANZ, ARE WE THE BADDIES, HAAANZ ?
No, it is relevant, go to hell from this thread and block me if you dont see how.
I mean you adding total nothing to this thread, you just pushing the idea of nothing which everyone can read in game's Encyclopedia - if you politely would get your's dumb ass(mind), out of your's stupid enclosed box, here and share your's vision - no issues.
Bugs didnt attacked at first, you can see Oil pumps on Kepler Prime, they just got pissed off. If you like to roleplay imperialism - do... just so many people doing it that it became boring, this thread about another matter and it is SPECULATION, ♥♥♥♥♥, SPECULATION

And I mentioned IN VERY FIRST PARAGRAPH - NONE OF THEIR'S WEAPONS (illumis) LOOKS LIKE WEAPONS, AND WROTE, MOST LIKELY, WHY
Most fkd up is that HD marked as PEGI12 and every single theme in it is not PEGI12

[Sundown]

The way they are described is kind of like the Tau, except they're a lot older than humanity

[Oz Duncan]

Sundown eredeti hozzászólása:

The way they are described is kind of like the Tau, except they're a lot older than humanity

Makes sense considering outcasts are the only melee unit in the Illuminate arsenal perhaps they consider melee combat barbaric? Its clear most combat is done through drones or robots of one kind or another. In terms of freedom its clear the Illuminate and Super Earth hold similar positions where Super Earth has massive propaganda campaigns + military style govt whereas the illuminate quite literally mind control and 24/7 watch their population similar to the ethereals from 40k.
As for the WMD being the reason that Super Earth launched its campaign against the illuminate being valid may hold some truth as when we lose a war Super Earth is in fact blown up. BUT whether or not the illuminate actually had them at the time or simply produced them later can only be up to speculation.

[o-o-o-Tekno-Musang-o-o-o]

Oz Duncan eredeti hozzászólása:

Sundown eredeti hozzászólása:

The way they are described is kind of like the Tau, except they're a lot older than humanity

Makes sense considering outcasts are the only melee unit in the Illuminate arsenal perhaps they consider melee combat barbaric? Its clear most combat is done through drones or robots of one kind or another. In terms of freedom its clear the Illuminate and Super Earth hold similar positions where Super Earth has massive propaganda campaigns + military style govt whereas the illuminate quite literally mind control and 24/7 watch their population similar to the ethereals from 40k.
As for the WMD being the reason that Super Earth launched its campaign against the illuminate being valid may hold some truth as when we lose a war Super Earth is in fact blown up. BUT whether or not the illuminate actually had them at the time or simply produced them later can only be up to speculation.

Fact is there is nothing clear about other 3 factions since we have only super earth perspective onto question.

And you cant make any conclusions onto question which involves and made up by 2+ groups have only one's group perspective known.
Except rare except, Super Earth not fit into exceptions category

Still everything fit into my speculation since if Illumis have WMD, then tell me why not a single weapon of theirs have viable enough effectiveness and looks as an actual viable weaponry

I mean this indeed can be a total game conventionality and illumis just build this way.. cause.... they just build this way for game to work the way it works, nothing wrong about it as well, I wrote my topic purely from most objective perspective I could thought up.
(I made few mistakes in some spots tho, indeed)

I would like to hear out devs but Sweden how nuked sadly.... twice..
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Yours fits as well.
They can have like... positive dictature and positive mind control of kind, in some measure as well, who knows