Lore Question: Are Helldivers Clones?

[Atheno Minerval]

I've always thought about how "each" Helldiver gets their own ship which isn't lacking in size. Each ship also has its own captain and crew.

Every time a Helldiver teleports out of the game(back to -their- ship), their body dies. So I've always thought that the teleporter "kills" the original then teleports a fresh unit from somewhere in the belly of that large ship.

Each ship is basically a reproduction pod that grows and stores each cloned Helldiver.

To me that explains and correlates with:

Reinforcement beacons and their rapid redeployment

Each Helldiver getting "their own" large ship with "its own" captain and crew(no access allowed to other parts of the ship? Just hellpods and teleporter?)

"Death" on teleportation

SuperEarth's form of government would not seem to care about the loss of life; considered "Brave Sacrifices" (not a quote from game) and point of pride.

The post mission results only care about three things:
1) Did you complete all objectives?
2) Were too many clones wasted(deaths)?
3) Are all living clones back on "their" ship(Extraction)(Living evidence)?

Almost needless to say: The amount of war losses is astonishing but to retrain such elite soldiers from such an elitist society by relying on "orthodox" methods seems highly improbable.

I feel like there's more examples in there somewhere. I can't find them now though.
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Anyway, I was just curious if anyone else had thought that too because I usually go Waaay out there; so I get it if I'm ridiculously wrong

Thanks to anyone who took the time to read this

[Lein]

Hmm... it's an interesting thought, but I don't think so. The first thing that comes to mind for me is the opening cinematic where you can see a bunch of Helldivers without their faces hidden and they all look different.

The "death" when teleporting thing, I'm guessing is just a programming thing and not intended for any sort of lore. Kind of like when there's two players on a ship and the host leaves to go join another lobby, it'll sometimes tell the guest that they've been "kicked" even though the host didn't actually kick them.

[Atheno Minerval]

Thank you Lein,

You raise a good point with each Helldiver being an individual; and I figured that each person that succeeded in becoming a Helldiver(which wouldn't be many) had their DNA cloned. So each Helldiver has their own clone army essentially. Which does not need to be known by them.

Those extra clones would be kept "on ice", stasis or some form of inactivity until the conscious body expires; then the consciousness transfers somehow

You have a good explanation for the teleporter; my imagination just goes flying away sometimes

Thanks again Lein for entertaining these thoughts of mine (ha) and also your input

[Lein]

Originally posted by Atheno Minerval:

Thank you Lein,

You raise a good point with each Helldiver being an individual; and I figured that each person that succeeded in becoming a Helldiver(which wouldn't be many) had their DNA cloned. So each Helldiver has their own clone army essentially. Which does not need to be known by them.

Those extra clones would be kept "on ice", stasis or some form of inactivity until the conscious body expires; then the consciousness transfers somehow

You have a good explanation for the teleporter; my imagination just goes flying away sometimes

Thanks again Lein for entertaining these thoughts of mine (ha) and also your input

Haha, no problem. It is an entertaining thought nonetheless. :)

[Cyber Von Cyberus]

Yeah it would be interesting if it was kind of like Ghost in the Shell or something similar where consciousness could be transferred to another artificial body upon the death of the original and it's probably the most plausible explanation as to why Helldivers tactics are so suicidal and absurd.

[H.K.Dadnstuff]

I'm a few days late, but do y'all mind if I contribute to the discussion?

Originally posted by Cyber Von Cyberus:

Yeah it would be interesting if it was kind of like Ghost in the Shell or something similar where consciousness could be transferred to another artificial body upon the death of the original and it's probably the most plausible explanation as to why Helldivers tactics are so suicidal and absurd.

I like the idea that perhaps a long time ago, Super Earth Gov came across some sort of alien tech that allows soldiers to become functionally immortal. Their brains are preserved in some Earth-side facility and their bodies are cloned and sent out into space to fight the good fight. When the body inevitably dies, a new body is rapidly reproduced and the brain assumes control of it before being dropped back into battle.

This way, each Helldiver retains their individuality, and their "sacrifice" is only measured by the amount of times their poor brain has to pilot a new body to be slaughtered again.

A darker idea is that Helldivers are normal men and women who die and have their gear passed on to some new individual who has been brainwashed into thinking they were the soldier who has long died on some alien world. The images we see of a variety of unmasked Helldivers is just propaganda to hide the truth...

[Cyber Von Cyberus]

It would be terrifying to think super earth's government has the technology to completely change a person's mind. I just wonder how field experience transfers to another soldier however since it also includes muscle reflexes and unconscious actions.

[TOWER_AT_NINE]

Originally posted by Cyber Von Cyberus:

It would be terrifying to think super earth's government has the technology to completely change a person's mind. I just wonder how field experience transfers to another soldier however since it also includes muscle reflexes and unconscious actions.

simple, use keyboard input commands and disguise the whole combat terminal as a game then toss it down a time machine

[Atheno Minerval]

Originally posted by H.K.Puffinstuff:

I'm a few days late, but do y'all mind if I contribute to the discussion?

Originally posted by Cyber Von Cyberus:

Yeah it would be interesting if it was kind of like Ghost in the Shell or something similar where consciousness could be transferred to another artificial body upon the death of the original and it's probably the most plausible explanation as to why Helldivers tactics are so suicidal and absurd.

I like the idea that perhaps a long time ago, Super Earth Gov came across some sort of alien tech that allows soldiers to become functionally immortal. Their brains are preserved in some Earth-side facility and their bodies are cloned and sent out into space to fight the good fight. When the body inevitably dies, a new body is rapidly reproduced and the brain assumes control of it before being dropped back into battle.

This way, each Helldiver retains their individuality, and their "sacrifice" is only measured by the amount of times their poor brain has to pilot a new body to be slaughtered again.

A darker idea is that Helldivers are normal men and women who die and have their gear passed on to some new individual who has been brainwashed into thinking they were the soldier who has long died on some alien world. The images we see of a variety of unmasked Helldivers is just propaganda to hide the truth...

Well thought out! I figured that it would need to be some form of Hellish existence that the Helldivers lived: Forced reincarnation and only being "allowed to truly die" when Super Earth decides it's necessary or being brainwashed to believe that they are the soldiers that had actually died long ago like you said.

So maybe whenever they drop into battle they are diving -out- of Hell instead of -into- it. Hoping that the next time they die, they won't wake up. Some of them anyway, if any.

[Atheno Minerval]

Originally posted by Cyber Von Cyberus:

It would be terrifying to think super earth's government has the technology to completely change a person's mind. I just wonder how field experience transfers to another soldier however since it also includes muscle reflexes and unconscious actions.

It would be terrifying indeed. I figured it had something to do with the technology that the teleporter uses. Since no Helldiver can leave their ship without dying. I know it can be said that it is just the way the game is designed, but if those Helldivers "die" every time they use that teleporter but somehow end up on their ship with all of their knowledge perhaps there's some form of tech that can flash consciousness to another host.

H.K.Puffinstuff earlier has a great idea that the Helldivers' brains are kept on Superearth and when the body dies, the brain simply assumes control of an inactive clone