Can we add Offline play?

[The Nuclear King]

You can play alone, true, but no matter how you play, your always online. Exsample, when playing a bot match with just you and the computer for say practice, or you just don't want to deal with waiting in a lobby, you can still expereince lag, or just downright can't play the game when dissconnected from the internet.

And even then, you can't advance challenges while playing alone. So stuff like lore challenges (you know? Those ridiculous challenges you need to do in order to learn about who the hell your playing as) you need to do with other people. And if it's something like Ambra's "Winds of Change", your going to have to shove your face into dangerous situations just to get 2 kills. Meaning your most likely going to drag your team down JUST to ge that last tidbit about your waifu so you can sleep at night, since you can't just do in your own time.

Granted, challenges such as "get X amount of killstreaks" could be exploited in offline play, but there really should just be two different types of challenges. Ones that can be obtained in any mode (All Lore challenges, and some title challenges), and ones that you need to be online for (challenges involving impressive feats during a match). And even then, we can still grind coins and levels alone, so why even have challenges be online only in the first place? ESPESHUALLY since offline is apparently not even a thing technically.

Things such as character and helix balences are most likely more important in a gameplay perspective, don't get me wrong. But the abilety to have offline play for a game filled with so many varying heroes, items, and abiletys, it's damned near essental to be able to reliably practice them at any time. Otherwise, we're going to have a lot of unbalenced teams of both newbies and pros mixed in this confusing mass of chaos. And from what I've seen, you've most likely already seen some of those.

At the very, very least. Offline should be added so the game has something to backup on if the servers must be shut down. And at minimum, should be added so we can just play with ourselves if you're just sick of waiting for games.

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I've deduced through a conversation with someone in the comments below that there is fear of hackers being able to exploit offline features to their advantage.

However, I've come to the conclushion of, so long as items/loot is an online only thing, they cannot create their own OP items, and the game should be as hacker free as it was before adding offline.

There are some things they can do, which I will list below, but none are harmful in terms of online play.

Hacking to Unlock TItles = Does not effect gameplay

Hacking to Get Skins and Taunts = Does not effect gameplay

Hacking to Unlock Characters = Your gonna get them anyways

Hacking to Complete Challenges = Does not effect gameplay

Hacking to get Coins for infinite Loot Crates = Only a problem if their contents have overpowered items and require balencing.

[Vantris]

Yeah that would be nice would not mind that.

[Wisecarver]

The entire Inventory server they have has to have an open connection so they can have control over what is used in the game, Gibb really kicked their tails.

[The Nuclear King]

Wisecarver eredeti hozzászólása:

The entire Inventory server they have has to have an open connection so they can have control over what is used in the game, Gibb really kicked their tails.

True, I can understand things such as loadouts needing internet mantenence. But it's not just that, it's LITTERALLY everything in the game. There are things that can be offline and not harm the game, such as playing story mode or private games alone, or even the cosmetics you unlock/buy.

[Fatty]

Offline mode would be a great addition as long as they are careful that it doesn't
open the door to cheaters online.
I would also appreciate offline mode being added.

[The Nuclear King]

Fatty eredeti hozzászólása:

Offline mode would be a great addition as long as they are careful that it doesn't
open the door to cheaters online.
I would also appreciate offline mode being added.

What kind of cheaters? Like wall hacking or aim-botting? Or do you mean like grinding challenges and easy unlocking certain things?

[Pyro Penguin]

The Trust King eredeti hozzászólása:

Wisecarver eredeti hozzászólása:

The entire Inventory server they have has to have an open connection so they can have control over what is used in the game, Gibb really kicked their tails.

True, I can understand things such as loadouts needing internet mantenence. But it's not just that, it's LITTERALLY everything in the game. There are things that can be offline and not harm the game, such as playing story mode or private games alone, or even the cosmetics you unlock/buy.

And how can games be offline when you need to be online to access your gear loadouts?

Preventing hackers has a higher priority than allowing people with subpar internet connections to play a multiplayer game alone.

[The Nuclear King]

Pyro Penguin eredeti hozzászólása:

And how can games be offline when you need to be online to access your gear loadouts?

Preventing hackers has a higher priority than allowing people with subpar internet connections to play a multiplayer game alone.

Oh god, this sh*t again.

Okay, I'll bite, how is preventing a portion of hackers more important than having the game be playable when servers are shut down? Servers don't last forever, and this game can be fun when playing alone. Why make a game with limited living potenshal when it can so easily also have offlne components?

Yes, hackers suck, they're terrable rotton people who ruin the fun of others for personal joy! But guess what? They're not going to stop exsisting! Adding preventetive measures is good, but when it starts harming the game, it's going too far! Like TF2's sv_pure_1. They shut down most of the modding community to get rid of a few wall and texture hackers!

In case none of this makes sense, here's an exsample. When stopping theifs, adding things like security cameras and laser tripwires to a museum is fine and dandy. But when you ban a certain group of people because a minority of them has been recorded to be criminals, your going too far! Get it?

[Tahl]

Yes please. Especially if this is gonna die. It literally becomes fraud to sell it at that point.


PS: This 'online stops hack' thing is bs. Its actually not a thing. A gamer myth brought on by a much smaller degree of truth.

But either way there are plenty of games that allow users to save an offline version or file.
I remember the good old Hellgate actually had 2 different options in the launcher. One for the MMO and one for the SP version. I still play the later but the MMO went tits up eons ago.
Actually I think it got restarted and went tits up again.. lol.
OrcsMustDie also has 2 different options. 1 for modded game... although unsavable thats easy enough to avoid.

Point is, totally doable.

[Pyro Penguin]

The Trust King eredeti hozzászólása:

Pyro Penguin eredeti hozzászólása:

And how can games be offline when you need to be online to access your gear loadouts?

Preventing hackers has a higher priority than allowing people with subpar internet connections to play a multiplayer game alone.

Oh god, this sh*t again.

Okay, I'll bite, how is preventing a portion of hackers more important than having the game be playable when servers are shut down? Servers don't last forever, and this game can be fun when playing alone. Why make a game with limited living potenshal when it can so easily also have offlne components?

Yes, hackers suck, they're terrable rotton people who ruin the fun of others for personal joy! But guess what? They're not going to stop exsisting! Adding preventetive measures is good, but when it starts harming the game, it's going too far! Like TF2's sv_pure_1. They shut down most of the modding community to get rid of a few wall and texture hackers!

In case none of this makes sense, here's an exsample. When stopping theifs, adding things like security cameras and laser tripwires to a museum is fine and dandy. But when you ban a certain group of people because a minority of them has been recorded to be criminals, your going too far! Get it?

no i dont 'get it', the game was intended to be online only from the start, you bought it knowing that (or you bought it without research either way its on you).

the gear is saved on gearbox's end so that players cant modify their stats by tampering with save files. if it wasnt done that way then everyone and their mother (and their mother's mother) would be modifying all their gear and bumping their characters all to 15 (just like borderlands).

so basically you want the online community to be plagued with cheaters just so you can play offline by yourself, see how stupid and selfish that is? why dont you go buy a game that doesnt require an active connection, or better yet upgrade to a better connection. its 2016 and people with bad/no internet are not the target audience of most games anymore.

[The Nuclear King]

And despite everything you said, most people are agreeing with me that they would like to see an offline feature.

Also, why are you playing the PC vershion if you have a crippling fear of hackers? Go play the Xbox One or PS4 vershions! I hear they're more populated anyways.

Also, you completely ignored the whole issue of this game being entirely unplayable when this thing, like all other game servers, shuts down. Almost all games now adays need some form of offline, otherwise, they will die, and future players will have nothing to do on this game. Which will be a real f*cking shame since this game is amazing.

Also, define "plagued". How your putting it, almost every single match on Battleborn will have aimbotters or wallhackers. When in actuality, much like basically every other shooter game with offline assets, will have about a pool's worth of hackers IN AN OCEAN'S WORTH OF NORMAL PEOPLE. Which, basically, you MIGHT find 1 hacker every year. In other words, you're over exsagerating.

And even if, IF you find a hacker in the game. Report the person and leave!!! No one is asking you to play with that person! The fix is so easy, it's amazing people are still seeing this as a problem! IT'S ONLY A PROBLEM IF YOU MAKE IT A PROBLEM!!! That is unless your just too lazy to do the prior.

And even f*cking then, do you honestly think this game is popular enough to get massive traffic with hackers? I love Battleborn, but really think about it.

And guess what, until you make an actual point, everything you say is going to be flung right back at you because the only point you made in was the gear system. And even then, there could easily be a work around for it, such as limiting loadout management to online, but allowing the player to use the items while in a game.

If you want to try and work with me and try and find a middle ground where both parties are happy, I would be glad to. But if you really just want to argue about how there is litterally no way in hell offline could work for Battleborn, and how all modders are demonic hackers, and how everyone who isn't you is a stupid doo doo head who doesn't understand why Club Penguin is amazing. Then I'll be more than happy to laugh at those points.

But no really, your looking a bit like this guy right now.

http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/image/upload/c_scale,h_720,w_1276/t_mp_quality/vs-match-judge-claude-frollo-vs-darth-sidious-02f0d006-e213-41c1-84ff-5591074281d9-jpeg-28858.jpg

And really. Do you want to be that guy?

[Pyro Penguin]

You don't even read what I say do you? I didn't say anything about wallhacks and aim bots, online only doesn't stop those. It stop people from MODIFYING GAME FILES TO CHANGE STATS ON GEAR (typed in all caps so you might actually see it this time). People would just use a save editor and end up with gear that has unobtainable stats.

And considering you can't even make an open game in borderlands 2 without cheaters joining, no I am not exaggerating it at all.

[The Nuclear King]

Pyro Penguin eredeti hozzászólása:

You don't even read what I say do you? I didn't say anything about wallhacks and aim bots, online only doesn't stop those. It stop people from MODIFYING GAME FILES TO CHANGE STATS ON GEAR (typed in all caps so you might actually see it this time). People would just use a save editor and end up with gear that has unobtainable stats.

And considering you can't even make an open game in borderlands 2 without cheaters joining, no I am not exaggerating it at all.

And you cleary didn't read what I said. I brought that up in the end and said "the only point you made was the gear system. And even then, there could easily be a work around for it, such as limiting loadout management to online, but allowing the player to use the items while in an offline game".

So... I dunno... Learn to read?

Also, as a sidenote, Borderlands 2 and Battleborn, while made by the same people, are entirely different games. You're going to find more hackers when finding games on Borderlands 2 because all the sane people are playing alone and offline, or playing with freinds on a closed server. Hackers most likely want to show off their mad hacking skills to random strangers who are yet to see them. Battleborn isn't even close to that, since the main, good playerbase is all playing together, meaning hackers, if there are any, are going to be extremely rare.

[Pyro Penguin]

The Trust King eredeti hozzászólása:

And you cleary didn't read what I said. I brought that up in the end and said "the only point you made was the gear system. And even then, there could easily be a work around for it, such as limiting loadout management to online, but allowing the player to use the items while in an offline game".

That has literally nothing to do with what i said. You are talking about having access to the gear in a match while playing offline. I am talking about editing your save files and increasing the stats on your gear, and the game will not be able to detect it. That is the reason for online only in any game with random loot drops (ex: diablo 3).

The only way to allow offline play would be to turn off ALL rewards and drops, because the game has no way to differentiate from gear you aquire offline and gear you make with a save file editor.

[DemonioBlanco]

like the progress is link to servers, I doubt they will ever add it.

But if some day they shut down the servers.
I hope they add the option to play offline.

[The Nuclear King]

Pyro Penguin eredeti hozzászólása:

That has literally nothing to do with what i said. You are talking about having access to the gear in a match while playing offline. I am talking about editing your save files and increasing the stats on your gear, and the game will not be able to detect it. That is the reason for online only in any game with random loot drops (ex: diablo 3).

The only way to allow offline play would be to turn off ALL rewards and drops, because the game has no way to differentiate from gear you aquire offline and gear you make with a save file editor.

Again, your not reading. Actually, your reading, but your not comprehending.

What I'm saying is there are WORK AROUNDS. There are ways to have the items online, and uneditable, yet useable while offline. It might be more complicated than that, but it's possible.

And if they do add that, but OOOOOO, people offline are using hacks to speed level and get almost infinite coins!.... How is that your problem? So they get to unlock all the skins and get all the legendary weapons. Big whoopidy whoop. Skins and levels don't do anything, and they still need to activate their legendarys with crystals, unless they started hacking in an ONLINE game to get infinite crystals, in which case the whole offilne thing is irrelevant because that's hacking on an online perspective.

And really, why bother with getting legendary items when you can just aim-bot? All offline would do, if hackers were to exploit it, would make already omnipowerful people 2% more powerful (Remember, adding 5,000,000 to infinity is still infinity). It's a minor disadvantage to adding something that would give a MASSIVE advantage to everyone else!

So what if some asshat hacked all the best gear? His loss for not legitametly working up to get it! They'll most likely get bored and stop playing all together soon enough while you keep playing because you're still trying to earn that magestic Legendary Powerthirst you've been working on for so long.

Please, before you go and send another message, think about possible holes in your thinking, otherwise you'll just look like a fool.... Like you are now :T