New game + for the final boss trick, conclusions [SPOILERS]

[Mopati]

I did a new game + to try to figure out wich answers are the good one to power down all the shadows before the final boss.
... It didn't work. Well, it worked for Royal and Elro. Not for Mina. Her shadow was weak, but still attacking.
I wrote down each question in the game on paper just to keep track of what I answer.
I'll write them here for you, if you want to try.
So here they are :

Before that, some things to say :
- I played in French, and didn't write fully the questions and answers, so it's coming from my head, it will not exactly be written like in the game.
- Elro only ask 3 questions in the game! I think the father questions are important for him too as this is for the family... I'll write every question, even those that surely don't do anything in this case.
- There's a half-hidden question! Be careful with this one. You can miss it!
- I'll show wich answer I picked, of course. Like that. <---
- Never skip a cutscene, it skips the question too! Unless you exactly know wich cutscene asks you a question.

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EDIT :
I did it. I won. I picked the right answer.
The shadows didn't attack me this time.
But no sunflower around it.
So if you think there's still something wrong with it, you can try to do better.
I'll edit the list so that all the right answer is shown.

EDIT 2:
There was a actually a glitch preventing Mina to be fully pacified.
It is now fixed!
So... Yeah, now, If you follow these answers, you'll have a special suprise at the end boss! :D

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Soldier :
"What are you doing here?"
- Nothing.
- I'm with the One Concern. <---
- I'm a man.

"Are you here to work?"
- Yes <---
- No
- I got that guy. (don't know how to translate this one?)

Royal :
"Are you searching for me?"
- No <---
- Yes
- I have a bomb.

Father :
"Was you week good?"
- Yes <---
- Why?

"Do you still read the books?"
- Yes
- No <---

"You know I love you?"
- Yes <---
- ...

"Do you feel bad when I'm not here?"
- Yes
- No <---

Mina:
"Is it my fault?"
- It's Real's. <---
- It's not yours.
- It Samba's.

"So, how is the ark?"
- I'm lost...
- It's broken.
- Fantastic! <---

"Do you sometimes take drastic decisions?"
- I don't know.
- Hmm...
- It happens! <---

(/!\ You have to catch up to her right after she gets mad with her mother to rescue Samba, or you won't have this question asked!)
"Do you want to go with me?"
- Sorry.
- I'm coming! <---

Elro:
"Stay out of danger."
- Maybe... <---
- No!

"I'll protect you!"
- Yes! <---
- Stop it if you get hurt.

Royal:
"Do you know him?"
- No.
- It's a friend! <---

Elro:
"Let's try to get out of this tower."
- OK! <---
- I need to rescue Samba!

Samourai:
"Who is it?"
- No idea.
- I have an idea... <---
- I have all the ideas!

Royal:
"Can I come with you?"
- No!
- Yes. <---

"Isn't it beautiful?"
- Yes. <---
- No.

Mina:
"Are you afraid of my coat?"
- I'm frightened... <---
- Nope!

"What is it?"
- It's mysterious...
- We are lucky! <---

"Did you run away?"
- Yes. <---
- No, she's KO and alive.

Royal:
"Am I pedantic?"
- Yes.
- No.
- Stop with that attitude. <---

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Remember. It didn't work with Mina.
She was thankful for every answers except for the first and last answer about her.
For the first one, she is doubtful, and for the last one, she says I should have took the chance to kill her.
The other one? I'm sure they are correct.
But I have no way to be sure at 100%, so we never know.

If you want to weaken 2 out of 3 shadows, you can follow this!
Now, if you want to try to weaken all of them, please do it, that's why I wrote this in the first place!

[Mates]

Nice job. I also tried to please everyone but managed only Royal. There's a rumor that after maxing out a relationship with everyone a secret ending will be unlocked.
Did you consider posting these findings on the Iconoclasts Discord channel?

[Mopati]

Originally posted by Mates:

Nice job. I also tried to please everyone but managed only Royal. There's a rumor that after maxing out a relationship with everyone a secret ending will be unlocked.
Did you consider posting these findings on the Iconoclasts Discord channel?

I just did, but well...
If you write things here, on Steam, people can read them after a while.
If it's lost in the archives of the forum, you can still find the informations in them with google.

But for Discord? People discover things, share them there, and that's lost after 5 minutes.
No way to find the information anymore.
Google won't help you, the information is lost forever.
Unless the right guys are there. You can count on your luck, very reliable.
I'm not even sure more than 2 people will see what I wrote here.

Thanks to Discord, I found a new secret on the game, about the 2 soldiers, Hannibal and Alistair, that there's 4 hidden scenes when they talk after the encounter the Community Center in Settlement 17.
But where are they? What are they saying? Nothing. Google won't help.

I don't think Discord is very appropriate for this sort of stuff.

[Mates]

Originally posted by Mopati:

Originally posted by Mates:

Nice job. I also tried to please everyone but managed only Royal. There's a rumor that after maxing out a relationship with everyone a secret ending will be unlocked.
Did you consider posting these findings on the Iconoclasts Discord channel?

I just did, but well...
If you write things here, on Steam, people can read them after a while.
If it's lost in the archives of the forum, you can still the informations in them with google.

But for Discord? People discover things, share them there, and that's lost after 5 minutes.
No way to find the information anymore.
Google won't help you, the information is lost forever.
Unless the right guys are there. You can count on your luck, very reliable.
I'm not even sure more than 2 people will see what I wrote here.

Thanks to Discord, I found a new secret on the game, about the 2 soldiers, Hannibal and Alistair, that there's 4 hidden scenes when they talk after the encounter the Community Center in Settlement 17.
But where are they? What are they saying? Nothing. Google won't help.

I don't think Discord is very appropriate for this sort of stuff.

I guess you are right, you have to basically discuss everything over and over again. However, I think the community is most active there. Here on Steam there is not much activity and on Reddit it is only slightly better.

About the two soldiers, I found only three locations (excluding the beginning in Settlement 17):

1) Shard Wasteland - right before meeting Royal for the first time, jump to the left and climb up into secret area.
2) Ferrier Shockwood - There is a screen with a house which the heroes enter and it is destroyed by Penance. On this screen is a hidden chest which you access from the screen above. If you get the chest when first passing the screen above, you will see the soldiers talking.
3) One Concern West - After getting the Usurper and going back, you pass a snake shieldbearer sitting on a thin platform. Drop through and go down a ladder. In the secret area you will see the conversation.

I saw these three and the soldiers showed up in credits.

[Mopati]

The 4th one he was talking was surely including the Settlement one too.
Thank you, I didn't know for the Shockwood one!

Now, I just have to find the right answers, how to finish the mail side quests in a good way, if it's possible, and find a way to save Royal...
Still a lot to do.

[Mopati]

Okay, I made everyone love me. The 3rd playtrought was the good one.
I'll edit the first post.

I didn't get something special for it, tought. :/
And strangely, Mina's shadow wasn't attacking, but there weren't any sunflower to show it.
Was it a bug?

I did a no side-quest, no time to lose run.
Maybe by doing these, something special will happen.
And there's still one empty scene in the ending. There's a side thing we still didn't discover.

Well, at least, victory!

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Originally posted by Mopati:

Okay, I made everyone love me. The 3rd playtrought was the good one.
I'll edit the first post.

I didn't get something special for it, tought. :/
And strangely, Mina's shadow wasn't attacking, but there weren't any sunflower to show it.
Was it a bug?

I did a no side-quest, no time to lose run.
Maybe by doing these, something special will happen.
And there's still one empty scene in the ending. There's a side thing we still didn't discover.

Well, at least, victory!

I saw some speedrun from some guy, he had all right conversations with Mina and she actually helped Robin in final battle, also had separate OST being final boss theme mixed with Mina's and also some additional scene with her after fight. Did you see that? I was surprised when I saw that!

[mini]

Originally posted by Risky Boobs:

I saw some speedrun from some guy

Found it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD2fnlRDXVQ

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Originally posted by Delicious Pottage:

Originally posted by Risky Boobs:

I saw some speedrun from some guy

Found it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD2fnlRDXVQ

Yeah, that one

[Shirsh]

I tried to check all his answers for Mina, he skipping cutscenes so right answers seems to be those default/first: so, seems to it's better to not call ark fantastic? then "no idea" about Watchman (this one maybe not matter at all?). But "Im coming" when Robin catches with Mina,
I can't remember or find in video where is mysterious/lucky choice though
I had suspicion that in dialogue when you set Elro and Mina free from cells your choice will affect both of them, no, seems to only Elro.

Thet's remind me to ask, what if player not set Royal free from pwr draining room? Or there was an inpenetrable area later that require his power? Need to try this.

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Originally posted by Shirsh:

I tried to check all his answers for Mina, he skipping cutscenes so right answers seems to be those default/first: so, seems to it's better to not call ark fantastic? then "no idea" about Watchman (this one maybe not matter at all?). But "Im coming" when Robin catches with Mina,
I can't remember or find in video where is mysterious/lucky choice though
I had suspicion that in dialogue when you set Elro and Mina free from cells your choice will affect both of them, no, seems to only Elro.

Thet's remind me to ask, what if player not set Royal free from pwr draining room? Or there was an inpenetrable area later that require his power? Need to try this.

The second, iirc. He blasts some doors later.

[Mopati]

Now, that's really, really interesting! Seems like it's not finished!
Thank you for the video!

It seems like skipping custscenes make you choose one random answer, as the other speedruns don't have that ending.

So...
I learned with things Konjak said that there's only 4 questions that affects Mina : from "who is responsible" to "do you want to come with me".

Now... In my first playtrought, I didn't got the 4th question.
And I answered all the good answers for the 3 other one.
As I didn't get Mina's shadow pacified, I'm sure this is a good answer.
- So the 4th question is the good one, or you won't pacify the shadow.

In my second playtrought, I didn't answer well to the first question.
Did the good one for the 3 other one. Mina's shadow still wasn't pacified.
That means the first question is surely a good answer.
- So the 1st question is the good one, or you won't pacify the shadow.

That leaves the 2 others questions.
We have to test them!

[astromyxin]

One thing I've been thinking too: maybe you don't need to choose all the "right" answers, but maybe you need to do New Game+ enough times to eventually choose all of the answers for each particular character? I have noticed that the few people that have brought up this point about the altered boss fight(s), me included, have said that they were doing this on new game+. Maybe it has less to do with us choosing all of the right answers and more to do with us exhausting all of the possible dialogue choices with a particular character. Seems most people get this with Royal first, for whatever reason, and that might have to do with there being less things to say? i.e. two dialogue choices at a time, instead of three. I dunno - just throwing something out there that might be useful.

[astromyxin]

I'm pretty excited to see where this leads, either way. There has to be some sort of special ending for getting pacified shadows for all 3 characters.

[Shirsh]

I wouldn't be surprised if an answer shouldn't be "good".
As in "sometimes you can move other person not by trying to be "good" to them but by being honest with them"

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Originally posted by Shirsh:

I wouldn't be surprised if an answer shouldn't be "good".
As in "you can make other person better by not trying to be "good" to them but being honest"

Would be cool to have some subtle indicator (in a dream fight for example) of how many correct "answers" player had. The toughness of stages is not enough unfortunately.