FPV drone roles - Potential for usefull and realistic role

[beaver]

I think current conflicts (isralel-palestine and ukraine-russia and every other major war) show the importance of fpv drones and devastating effects of their usage. It would really help to make this new role so players can understand how soliders are working under consant pressure of drones lurking in the sky. Of course balancing would be a tad bit hard but making them costly and for example limited to 1/2 drones per player and making this role only available for 1/2 players per team would probably fix most of the issues. Moreover generally fpv drones are used and will be used in modern warfare so impementing them into the game would help people who are looking for realistic experiance (exactly what squad is trying to achieve).
Wishing you best day,
Dawid Olszewski

[Donkeyface]

way to op
insurgent/milita drones already can wreak so much havoc with a 20 min cooldown
this game is not about realism its a teamwork fps

[Aegmar]

this wouldn't fit well with Squad i think..., sure fpv drones are being extensively used in modern conflicts and there might even be a big shift incoming making future wars essentially "machine wars" with a lot of unmanned / automated systems doing much of the fighting.

Squad is not meant to be realistic that way: for once most Squad-battles are meeting engagements with totally evenly matched forces - you will basically never find that anywhere in reality that two forces enter a battlefield AT EXACTLY the same time in EXACTLY the same strenght. In reality it will usually be one side entrenched and technologically and/or numerically inferior. Attacking in modern warfare is usually not done without superior strenght in numbers and/or force quality.

All that doesn't work well in an FPS game that is at its core supposed to be about COMMUNICATION and COORDINATION within and between Squads. That would be something for a milsim game that strives to emulate realistic modern conditions (and pacing) which would be hella boring for game like Squad.

Even the slightly slower pace since ICO brought up so much dislike and its still much faster and more fluid than any real life combat. Total realism would mean to sit in a cold trench or foxhole for hours and days, freezing, being sore and afraid a drone might detonate next to your head in the next minute...oh yes, and when you get hit you are either dead or maybe wake up in a hospital missing half an arm and a leg....

[beaver]

Originally posted by Donkeyface:

way to op
insurgent/milita drones already can wreak so much havoc with a 20 min cooldown
this game is not about realism its a teamwork fps

with all due respect i still think game is aiming for realism as a driving force and ico update just proves this. Squad doesnt want to be casual teamwork based shooter bc if it did want that they wouldnt push updates making shooting less enjoyable to some extent.

however i do undestand that this would be hard to balance i still think forces like marines, russian inf, chinese inf, canda inf and all the other major armies should have an accses to at least recon drones bc at the moment drones being avaiable only to insurgency based forces is to say the least goofy.

Drones proved that they are a part of conventional warfare rather you like it or not.

[beaver]

Originally posted by Aegmar:

this wouldn't fit well with Squad i think..., sure fpv drones are being extensively used in modern conflicts and there might even be a big shift incoming making future wars essentially "machine wars" with a lot of unmanned / automated systems doing much of the fighting. (...)

i understand your viewpoint but i would say my point stands. what you wrote def made me reconsider an idea of fpv drones (most capable of taking out logies and masses of inf) to the game but insurgency and militia are not made to be an equal in game to major armies as i think anyone agrees a lot of people dont want to play them and some want to pick them just to prove that they can win as such a force. Recon drones cant be restricted to unconventional forces when its a driving force for most of the modern military platoons.

[Donkeyface]

Originally posted by beaver:

Originally posted by Donkeyface:

way to op
insurgent/milita drones already can wreak so much havoc with a 20 min cooldown
this game is not about realism its a teamwork fps

with all due respect i still think game is aiming for realism as a driving force and ico update just proves this. Squad doesnt want to be casual teamwork based shooter bc if it did want that they wouldnt push updates making shooting less enjoyable to some extent.

however i do undestand that this would be hard to balance i still think forces like marines, russian inf, chinese inf, canda inf and all the other major armies should have an accses to at least recon drones bc at the moment drones being avaiable only to insurgency based forces is to say the least goofy.

Drones proved that they are a part of conventional warfare rather you like it or not.

my dude i never said casual teamwork fps
the ico is not realistic by itself, the whole reason for the ico was to force a certain speed and gameplay aka a slower paced teamwork focused gameplay.
this is what the devs themselves said about the ico was about

adding drones as a role for conventional forces would just change the game so much and create alot of unforseen issues, i can already start making a powerpoint presention on the amount of issues it would cause
1. mortars would be the most OP ♥♥♥♥ in the game
2. flanking would be useless
3. any and all spawnpoints made outside would be mortared immiedtly
4. any and all emplacements would be mortared before they would even get to shoot
5. people backcapping could easily be spotted and killed devolving the game into camping the 2nd or 3rd enemy objective
i can go on and on

basicly aerial recon should be in very limited volume and not avaible for most of the game
conventionals already have UAV´s and they are arguably better

there are maybe ways to do it but being a competive game it should prob first be tried out by mods like MEE and GE first

just like in real life the addition of drones has changed the battlefield
both the russian and ukrainans can never assume they cant be seen now matter how well hidden

dont get me wrong its a really cool idea but it would create so many problems
that its just not worth it

[JellySoda]

Originally posted by Donkeyface:

adding drones as a role for conventional forces would just change the game so much and create alot of unforseen issues

Unforseen issues sounds like a unforeseen consequences

[beaver]

Originally posted by JellySoda:

Originally posted by Donkeyface:

adding drones as a role for conventional forces would just change the game so much and create alot of unforseen issues

Unforseen issues sounds like a unforeseen consequences

exactly

[Glutenfree]

I am follow this game from BF2 PR. I really wait to see more drons roles include FVP.
The uniqueness of Squad to present modern combat close to reality.
There are few new games, but all of them presents past conflicts and here Squad has the advantage.

Why the Global Escalation mode is so popular? Because it adds more reality to game: real fighting armies, global voice etc.

[beaver]

Originally posted by Glutenfree:

I am follow this game from BF2 PR. I really wait to see more drons roles include FVP.
The uniqueness of Squad to present modern combat close to reality.
There are few new games, but all of them presents past conflicts and here Squad has the advantage.

Why the Global Escalation mode is so popular? Because it adds more reality to game: real fighting armies, global voice etc.

Yes! that's what i am saying too. Game aims for reality and this is why we need more modernized style of fighting against an enemy.

[Donkeyface]

Originally posted by Glutenfree:

I am follow this game from BF2 PR. I really wait to see more drons roles include FVP.
The uniqueness of Squad to present modern combat close to reality.
There are few new games, but all of them presents past conflicts and here Squad has the advantage.

Why the Global Escalation mode is so popular? Because it adds more reality to game: real fighting armies, global voice etc.

the people who play GE dont care about teamwork becouse they dont have to
often resulting in 0 spawnpoints despite it being piss easy to build them
the mod is fine but its litteraly just like playing battlefield

[beaver]

Originally posted by Donkeyface:

Originally posted by Glutenfree:

I am follow this game from BF2 PR. I really wait to see more drons roles include FVP.
The uniqueness of Squad to present modern combat close to reality.
There are few new games, but all of them presents past conflicts and here Squad has the advantage.

Why the Global Escalation mode is so popular? Because it adds more reality to game: real fighting armies, global voice etc.

the people who play GE dont care about teamwork becouse they dont have to
often resulting in 0 spawnpoints despite it being piss easy to build them
the mod is fine but its litteraly just like playing battlefield

Saying that some people are playing it wrong is not really a strong argument and not everybody that plays that mod is not building habs but I agree that GE mod is made for a faster paced gameplay (this is why most factions there are special forces) which makes it more playable for bf type fps players.