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zerokill Mar 12, 2021 @ 4:36pm
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New players do not want to learn Squad
Did an experiment tonight. Formed a squad named "Squad for new players". I have 1,600 hours in Squad and thought I could help beginners on the run. Immediately got 8 players.
Told them directly that we would not fight directly, but first go through the basics. And that we start with a mic check. Only three players responded to the mic-check.
Two players immediately tried to take a tank, which I refused. They continued despite it and I warned them. If they did not stop trying, they would be kicked. One continued despite that and was kicked.
Asked them to shape up in front of me in the main. Two players disappeared. One asked how to leave a squad ...
The others wandered around in the main without reaching me even though I gave a move order.
Then they disappeared one by one. In the end, I only had two left who did not answer when I called them. Then I gave up and left. A richer experience.
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Originally posted by Psycha:
Originally posted by Aegmar:
as a new player i would have bailed out the moment you asked them to "shape up in front of you" , totally cringe.

ppl come to play the game and not play military roleplay with you. Did you seriously expect folks to load up a shooter and then not foremost want to go out and shoot ?

Also doing something like that on a live server would be kickable waste of manpower on many servers, holding 9 out of 50 players out of the fight to worship you really screws your team, be it a bunch of noobs or not, they can still get shot in place of someone who knows what he is doing.

If you want to teach new players just do what you would do anyways and when they ask questions just answer them when there is time, unless they should know the answer because its in the tutorial, then tell them to do the tutorial again and kick them.

In defense of the OP.. He only called for a shape up during the few min staging phase where people cant leave main anyways to make sure he has communication going in the squad. Sure you can go about that differently but what else are you gonna do for 2-3 minutes waiting in main for the round to begin.

I honestly agree with him as well. No matter how you go about being an SL on most servers you will never have a good squad going unless you have everyone talking and everyone agreeing with you from the start. Just kick the bad apples and get more for the fit.

It's not being on a power trip either when someone is denied a vehicle claim when a server has specific rules about INF squads taking armor along with hem as claims. No server admins will say its ok for a INF squad to claim a tank and fight with it while SL rolls with only 6 others cause the other 3 are in a tank.

What new players fail to recognize is that an SL in all servers has the right to kick for any reason and control his unit in any way he wants to. You dont have to work with him but if you realize that since you didnt listen to your SL's and you lose the game you are part of that problem with that loss. You need to contribute to the match and have fun doing it at the same time. It's not fun for ANYONE if you act like this is COD and go by yourself anywhere unless your role calls for it.

If people reading this see me as a hardass or a tryhard/power tripper then go ahead and feel that way but dont come crying when you lose matches because you wanted to run tanks without any experience in the training range with them or run 3 strikers in 1 damn squad even if the server rules say its not allowed and then proceed to lose them all in the first 8 minutes.

After V2 hit, like with any major update for squad its bad but NOT THIS BAD. This was way worse than any update I've been apart of before full release in my 750 hours casually playing daily. I have 4k clocked in Project Reality for BF2 mod before this game was even made and I can say this with confidence. If a new player is not willing to listen to higher ups or train with their equipment before going into a live round then they dont belong in the server they are playing and should get a timeout to go learn the basics first. That is mainly a message to new player servers as well. Creating these is OK to an extent, we dont need the same people screwing over the match every match over and over for them to maybe get a ban for wasting assets. If there is a player just not willing to play correctly and listen they need the kick for the day to think about what they really need to be doing to not ruin their own fun or others in the process of them playing. Unless they are doing it on purpose acting like a noob of course.

If you read this far, thank you and please continue to try and be an SL like myself and make Squad a better place for fun.
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Maki Nishikino Mar 12, 2021 @ 5:52pm 
Many simply don't want to take this game in a serious manner and quite frankly I agree with them, save that stuff for private servers. Playing on an EU server may also have something to do with it, I don't know for sure. Here on NA servers I hop in a squad and more often than not it's an incredibly relaxed atmosphere. I've had a few cases where I hop into a squad and the moment I heard the SL taking this game in a serious manner I was out of it. Most of the time these squad leaders don't even get anything done, the ones that are really chill do.
Last edited by Maki Nishikino; Mar 12, 2021 @ 5:55pm
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Chungal Grease Mar 12, 2021 @ 6:17pm 
This isn't rocket surgery. Evolving Squad to casual gameplay continuously attracts casual players. They cycle through the game endlessly and then go back and play cod, csgo, bf, apex, whatever. Simply looking at the 2 million plus owners and the concurrent population tells you that the game has an extremely high turnover rate.
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Chad Thundercock Mar 12, 2021 @ 7:21pm 
So the comment section isn't going the way you planned.
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Justin J. [CIV-312] Mar 12, 2021 @ 9:05pm 
So what if people dont want to? I know i do. Some people are just different. Let them play their way. We will play ours, Lets just hope its not all on the same server... I would totally agree with servers like that. If you plan to make another one let me know. I need some training.
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Maki Nishikino Mar 12, 2021 @ 9:41pm 
A majority of players do seem to have a mic, language barrier would be my guess on EU servers.
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WISKEY3zero Mar 12, 2021 @ 10:17pm 
This game is on the way out. i have noticed a lot of players just don't care to learn the game or even read the instructions. One comment in discussions i saw had the idea of giving a ranking system so we can make a squad on merit and pick the players we want based on the hours played and scores achieved. some of the comment i'm reading here prove a lot of players don't read or cant read. personally if they don't sound off on radio checks or follow simple rules i just kick them. squad leaders can kick for any reason.
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nadata Mar 12, 2021 @ 10:44pm 
most people just join any squad to full no matter the name and, unsurprisingly, leave when they feel like you just want to power trip. Unless you form a dedicated group to play the game together do not expect every player to listen (and kicking them from your squad is fine on most servers) but instead try to lead by example and point them in a direction. Most players like some autonomy and telling them to load up and go in a logi will get most people to do so, kick the rest that do not. No one wants to play simon says on a public server
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Rebel Ben Mar 13, 2021 @ 6:36am 
It'd be best to get them in a fun situation. Get them in one of those PTSD firefights. Tell them you are gonna flank an entire team and destroy their spawns. Have a fun plan, understand they will stuggle to do it. Help them along the way.

Edit: Make them feel like they are doing something important at the very least.
Last edited by Rebel Ben; Mar 13, 2021 @ 6:36am
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Meme Mar 13, 2021 @ 6:42am 
yea mate i know what you mean by trying to get them to learn but tbh i think it would have been better ifu put them in a situation like in them PTSD fights and scare them into listening to there supperior
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Drifter Mar 13, 2021 @ 6:57am 
Spankings all round.
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CW2 P. Larkins Mar 13, 2021 @ 8:29am 
as an overly-experienced arma 3 player i can tell you that in that type of environment brimming with nothing but casuals (who also really suck at the game at almost every level) attempting to teach them in a manner of dedicated, step by step actions is horrible and insufferable for everyone involved. it also gets nothing done. while squad isn't at "that" level of depravity yet it is obviously getting there over time. you should leave that to actual clans in private servers - that is their responsibility to play epic gamer milsim drill sergeant.

instead of doing what you did, you could've just played like normal but micro managed properly. so instead of wasting time not even contributing to the server, you should've just given very simple instructions with the intention of actually playing, so..
"Come over to this truck, we're heading out now"
"We're going to (town name) to capture it, i'll lead the way"

if i was a new player and you tried to tell me we wouldn't even be fighting directly i would probably leave your squad within nanoseconds

if you really wanted to help people "on the run" you would've played like usual but simply explained more as to what you are doing and why during, say, the drive to your destination. i find myself questioning your original intentions, maybe you wanted to be le epic drill instructor?
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Toastbrot Mar 13, 2021 @ 11:36am 
Originally posted by DEAD Rebel Ben:
It'd be best to get them in a fun situation. Get them in one of those PTSD firefights. Tell them you are gonna flank an entire team and destroy their spawns. Have a fun plan, understand they will stuggle to do it. Help them along the way.

Edit: Make them feel like they are doing something important at the very least.

this pretty much.

when your first introduction to squad is some powertripping dude larping as a staff sergeant you're not very inclined to be talking and listening in voicecomms.
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Tactically irrelevant Mar 13, 2021 @ 11:54am 
Reading your post, it makes it look like you went on a power trip and they didn't want anything to do with that.
It would've been much better to get then in a vehicle and get them to defend or attack an objective.
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Shekeler Mar 13, 2021 @ 2:02pm 
Yeah I have just over 100 hours on Squad but If I was new I would've left way before you told them to "shape up in front of you" maybe the better way would be to actually play the game and lead them like a squad leader should be doing? maybe teach them by guiding them and letting them do ♥♥♥♥ instead of trying to force them to play by your rules on a public server and "training" them
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zerokill Mar 13, 2021 @ 2:05pm 
Originally posted by RustyFork21:
Reading your post, it makes it look like you went on a power trip and they didn't want anything to do with that.
It would've been much better to get then in a vehicle and get them to defend or attack an objective.

Have don just that lot's of times. But if lot's of players don't even know the basic or lissen to command it's suck to be SL This was an experiment, and it fail.. But it's tells a lot when a player who don't even know how to leave a squad, don't want to learn.

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