Helicopter Joystick Support

[SecondProfessor6000]

I applaud the devs for the awesome joystick support that they have rolled out however some parts of it are not going to great. As a full time heli player I wanted to share a couple things

1. quick look is buggy and causes a shutter effect likely due to an odd button repeat

2. their is no direct support for high quality joysticks, im talking best sellers that could have their own image with a keybinding interface.

3. More fine tuning of inputs with more graphs and a more in depth look at recognition of axis

I love your game guys keep up the incredible work

[Onno]

Yeah, multi device support is totally bugged. Buttons and axis from multiple devices are all mapped to the same buttons in the game as if only one controller is present.

Something of a vertical and horizontal view control axis assignment would also be appreciated, so that I can use the microstick on my warthog throttle. (or trackir support)

But hey, they haven't done anything about this "experimental" feature for years. Instead they have opted to go for fortnite-style gameplay adaptions and dumbing down the game. It's game over for OWI and time to move on to greener pastures.

I went back to Arma III, which had all of this sorted out at release.

[SecondProfessor6000]

yeah dude you see more and more kids who have no idea what they are doing thinking its cod or something smh

[Chelly]

Originally posted by SecondProfessor6000:

yeah dude you see more and more kids who have no idea what they are doing thinking its cod or something smh

How does this apply to what OP said? Last time I checked you couldn't use hotas with cod. If anyone is the COD player here it's you.

I gave up trying to use controller or hotas for flight in this game. Just use WASD and arrow keys prolly the best way to do it.

[Onno]

Originally posted by Chelly:

Originally posted by SecondProfessor6000:

yeah dude you see more and more kids who have no idea what they are doing thinking its cod or something smh

How does this apply to what OP said? Last time I checked you couldn't use hotas with cod. If anyone is the COD player here it's you.

I gave up trying to use controller or hotas for flight in this game. Just use WASD and arrow keys prolly the best way to do it.

I did figure out how to map the throttle and stick, but I had to forego the use of the rudders. And any accidental touching of the rudder pedels would ruin the flying, which is super annoying. And then there is the fact that joysticks are not rescanned after you plug in or disconnect a device. Instead you just loose all joystick control. And then there's the problem that the buttons numbered 16 and are not supported, so you have to pick the right buttons as well. Basically, it's a trash implementation. Basically, it's a trash implementation.

At some point I did try keyboard and mouse, but using the mouse for the cyclic is twitchy and using the keyboard for the collective really makes me overshoot the mark all the time. I guess that over 30 years of flightsim experience was basically obstructing me from learning this way of controlling a helicopter.

[SecondProfessor6000]

one thing you can do is create a saved keybind preset which is what i do. I have one called HELI and one called INFANTRY, you go to the bottom right and save a set of keybinds with a name. The reason I said COD is off topic we where discussing how the game is becoming more and more like a typical FPS with people who have no idea what they are doing playing a milsim.

[Onno]

Yes, that's a good tip. I also did that. But it doesn't make the problems with the joystick mapping any less though.

[SecondProfessor6000]

yeah hopefully they do something

[Dangerdad]

This post describes how to get a proper hotas + rudders + trackir working, using Joystick Gremlin, HidHide and FreePIE: https://www.reddit.com/r/joinsquad/comments/ly6dkt/squad_v23_helicopter_hotas_trackir_o/

One evening of work and I had this all mapped and working with my Logitech x56 stick & throttle, plus MFG Crosswind rudder. Even in infantry mode, being able to use TrackIR for freelook is a game changer.

[Onno]

Sorry, I think you meant it well, but these are not acceptable solutions to me.

The methods described in that reddit post are just a joke to me. I mean, technically they work, but they are a far cry from what I want to see. Using mouse mode has many drawbacks over using 6DoF. I want proper TrackIR support, both as a pilot in choppers to be able to look around frame and cockpit parts as well as a grunt on the ground, shooting and looking around at the same time.
And then the use of joystick gremlin. A piece of software that is windows only, with no linux equivalent and which is finicky to use. It does not really fix all the problems that this game has with joysticks either. If you for some reason have to unplug a joystick, or unplug one by accident, all sticks are no longer recognised. Rescanning is a basic element of many joystick enabled games. I would expect it to be implemented. Joystick Gremlin is not going to fix that.

Arma has had all of this for years (decades even) and I expect this to be in Squad. It is either unwillingness or utter incompetence that has us waiting for a proper implementation of both joysticks and TrackIR.

[SecondProfessor6000]

EXACTLY running a ton of software in the background is just not an optimal solution and the crazy thing is im sure you can buy programs to make your game joystick compatible or 100s of pages of documentation on how multi device keybinding works

[config]

So i just came here after i was thinking about becoming a helicopter pilot and buying a joystick (Logitech G Extreme Pro seems kinda affordable) for this. But it seems like its more enjoyable to learn with flying with the keyboard due to the bad implementation? Thats a big LOL, i didnt expected this xD holy moly now im going to pay much more respect to all these pilots out there. Now I'm not sure if I really want to fly anymore. With the keyboard it's probably only half as much fun

[Towelie420]

Originally posted by Onno:

Sorry, I think you meant it well, but these are not acceptable solutions to me.

The methods described in that reddit post are just a joke to me. I mean, technically they work, but they are a far cry from what I want to see. Using mouse mode has many drawbacks over using 6DoF. I want proper TrackIR support, both as a pilot in choppers to be able to look around frame and cockpit parts as well as a grunt on the ground, shooting and looking around at the same time.
And then the use of joystick gremlin. A piece of software that is windows only, with no linux equivalent and which is finicky to use. It does not really fix all the problems that this game has with joysticks either. If you for some reason have to unplug a joystick, or unplug one by accident, all sticks are no longer recognised. Rescanning is a basic element of many joystick enabled games. I would expect it to be implemented. Joystick Gremlin is not going to fix that.

Arma has had all of this for years (decades even) and I expect this to be in Squad. It is either unwillingness or utter incompetence that has us waiting for a proper implementation of both joysticks and TrackIR.

I use Pimax VR now for my DCS flight sims, and IL2 Sturmovik. Im trying to find my TrackIR5 camera... You should be able use software to take over mouse function. Just enable when you are ready to fly.....
Track IR would be killer for Infantry as well, just like it is in Arma, you can run and look from side to side ,,, its awesome for situational awareness

[Onno]

Originally posted by CatButt( * ):

Originally posted by Onno:

Sorry, I think you meant it well, but these are not acceptable solutions to me.

The methods described in that reddit post are just a joke to me. I mean, technically they work, but they are a far cry from what I want to see. Using mouse mode has many drawbacks over using 6DoF. I want proper TrackIR support, both as a pilot in choppers to be able to look around frame and cockpit parts as well as a grunt on the ground, shooting and looking around at the same time.
And then the use of joystick gremlin. A piece of software that is windows only, with no linux equivalent and which is finicky to use. It does not really fix all the problems that this game has with joysticks either. If you for some reason have to unplug a joystick, or unplug one by accident, all sticks are no longer recognised. Rescanning is a basic element of many joystick enabled games. I would expect it to be implemented. Joystick Gremlin is not going to fix that.

Arma has had all of this for years (decades even) and I expect this to be in Squad. It is either unwillingness or utter incompetence that has us waiting for a proper implementation of both joysticks and TrackIR.

I use Pimax VR now for my DCS flight sims, and IL2 Sturmovik. Im trying to find my TrackIR5 camera... You should be able use software to take over mouse function. Just enable when you are ready to fly.....
Track IR would be killer for Infantry as well, just like it is in Arma, you can run and look from side to side ,,, its awesome for situational awareness

Mouse emulation is just not cutting it. The software mouse function is very much a second rate experience. I would like the TIR protocol, as it would enable the use of OpenTrack on linux. (I'm a linux player)

[Towelie420]

TIR would be great indeed.

[Onno]

Originally posted by Polkovnik Sanders:

I fly on joystick and use mouse freelook. What's you problem?
Config menu is buged, but you can sort it out. Ask me if you wish.
Edit: I use cheap old Logitec joystick

It does not work with linux, that is the problem. Native TIR does.