Red flags for incompetent SLs

[Shore]

Anyone have some personal ancedotes of bad behaviors that would make you leave a squad? For example, the squad leader having a pilot or crewman role rather than a squad leader role for a 9-man squad, or placing a fob or radio in the middle of an open field.

[Fox]

Shore eredeti hozzászólása:

I actually designate a fireteam for people that actually want to play as a team, and focus on working around that. If one of the people that isn't listening is actually doing something detrimental like taking up an AT spot, I will just kick them.

The problem with only assigning some people to a fireteam and let some lonewolf or even assigning people to a fireteam and still let them lonewolf is that you will send a message to people that it is okay to not work as a team. Teamwork requires effort and people are lazy, entitled & egoistic and won't make an effort if they see others don't have to. When the people making effort see that the others not making effort aren't being corrected then they will stop making an effort and it will spiral until you have an entire squad with lonewolfs. This is how you kill teamwork as a SL. Be consistent, you need to instill a team spirit by showing that we all have to carry the burden of working as a team, making an effort as a team, die as a team, keeping each other alive as a team.

else you get it like what Geebus was talking about.

[Geebus]

Fox eredeti hozzászólása:

Shore eredeti hozzászólása:

I actually designate a fireteam for people that actually want to play as a team, and focus on working around that. If one of the people that isn't listening is actually doing something detrimental like taking up an AT spot, I will just kick them.

The problem with only assigning some people to a fireteam and let some lonewolf or even assigning people to a fireteam and still let them lonewolf is that you will send a message to people that it is okay to not work as a team. Teamwork requires effort and people are lazy, entitled & egoistic and won't make an effort if they see others don't have to. When the people making effort see that the others not making effort aren't being corrected then they will stop making an effort and it will spiral until you have an entire squad with lonewolfs. This is how you kill teamwork as a SL. Be consistent, you need to instill a team spirit by showing that we all have to carry the burden of working as a team, making an effort as a team, die as a team, keeping each other alive as a team.

else you get it like what Geebus was talking about.

Yeah don't be as lazy as me!

[Darugdawg]

SeaBoar eredeti hozzászólása:

On vehicle heavy maps, doesn't insist on taking 2 LATs. You will very likely spend a good amount of that game looking at the spawn screen.

Lats are useless

[Usurper Slurper™]

game sense / situation awareness are MAJOR.

the game is filled with nazi-esque SL players.

The best thing an sl can do is work with his squad and make it fun while being effective, also allowing players to play what theyre most effective with.

people who run their squad like its an internment camp are also often people who complaing their squad wont listen.

no one wants to play with a "my word is the only way" type and those who do usually do because no other squads were open.

[Fox]

What he ^ said

[Sea Base]

LINGLONG eredeti hozzászólása:

SeaBoar eredeti hozzászólása:

On vehicle heavy maps, doesn't insist on taking 2 LATs. You will very likely spend a good amount of that game looking at the spawn screen.

Lats are useless

Only if you are useless with it. Git gud.

[Semaj]

The most rage inducing SL's ever are the ones that don't own up to their own bad plans and let the squad sit in the misery of ineffectiveness.

The worst game I've ever had was where the SL grabbed a logi and 8 other guys, rushed the middle point, died (lost logi permanently), AND LEFT THE GAME... After that I was done for the day.

[oblivion locksmith]

SLs that rush across the map in fog of war game mode and start building fobs in random ass places before the capture points actually unveil themselves are by all means incompetent without exception, no matter how confident and bossy they sound on mic.

[Yblehs Ymmot]

Micromanagement and lack of trust in individual players. For me that is #1 issue and i tend to leave those squads immediately.

I'll happily follow orders like; "Defend this point, attack this point, move in this area".
What i won't do is "Sit on that specific roof, stay exactly on this POI mark, run exactly along this green line i drew" etc.

In my opinion "Squadleading" is just as much about knowing how to keep people entertained. After all this is a game, not the military, and i don't know about everyone else but play games to have fun.
Different people find entertainment in different things, and that is fair enough. I like to play aggressively, i can't stand sitting passively somewhere doing nothing but staring at my screen. So if i'm defending, i do it by pushing out and engaging the enemies.

Some of it comes down to personality and playstyle, rather than "good or bad squadleading".

I think a good example is that, while Fox sure as ♥♥♥♥ does a good job Squadleading, i do not function in his Squad due to my personality/playstyle and his leadership style. The 2 doesn't mix well. (Nothing bad against Fox, like i said i think he does a good job so all respect to him for taking on the role of Squad Leading)

[Onimaho]

impeach drumpf eredeti hozzászólása:

SLs that rush across the map in fog of war game mode and start building fobs in random ass places before the capture points actually unveil themselves are by all means incompetent without exception, no matter how confident and bossy they sound on mic.

Aegmar eredeti hozzászólása:

impeach drumpf eredeti hozzászólása:

SLs that rush across the map in fog of war game mode and start building fobs in random ass places before the capture points actually unveil themselves are by all means incompetent without exception, no matter how confident and bossy they sound on mic.

Nothing wrong with setting fobs before the objectives are revealed when its a central position with a high probability of an nearby objective or an ATGM position that can survey half the map. Of course when its out of place and objectives are far away you have to pack up and relocate. I usually pack 1200/1800 in the first logi and thats enough for two fobs with an ammo crate.

Yeh, have to agree with Aegmar's point here. You are really crippling your team if you don't push out towards the middle of map at potential flag locations. It is obvious when a team fails to do this because they will be fighting the enemy at -1 or even -2 tickets per minute when the lattice finally completes. Often they do not even have a good defensive position prepared because they are expecting to pack-up and go to the next cap.

Most SL that are doing this maneuver have played the game awhile and know the lattice, so they aren't picking random locations but gambling on the flag showing up at their location.

[Fox]

impeach drumpf eredeti hozzászólása:

SLs that rush across the map in fog of war game mode and start building fobs in random ass places before the capture points actually unveil themselves are by all means incompetent without exception, no matter how confident and bossy they sound on mic.

Aegmar eredeti hozzászólása:

Nothing wrong with setting fobs before the objectives are revealed when its a central position with a high probability of an nearby objective or an ATGM position that can survey half the map. Of course when its out of place and objectives are far away you have to pack up and relocate. I usually pack 1200/1800 in the first logi and thats enough for two fobs with an ammo crate.

As a comment on both of your quotes:

Some maps/layers are more predictable than others. The mistake many SLs do is that they think they are the best at guessing where the next flag will be because they think they know where the flags were in previous games they played, neglecting the "R" (Random) in "RAAS". There is a pattern RAAS follows but many inexperienced SLs aren't aware of it. You need to be humble and admit that you don't know where the flag is gonna be, the closest guess you can have is 50/50. By saving your supplies until you know where the flags are you save yourself some time from having to resupply and you prevent clueless blueberries from spawning on your randomly place FOB that wont be usefull for the rest of the game. On some layers there are key locations that always will come in play where you can put one up but most layers will have too much of a variability in where the flags appear

Tommy Shelby eredeti hozzászólása:

I think a good example is that, while Fox sure as ♥♥♥♥ does a good job Squadleading, i do not function in his Squad due to my personality/playstyle and his leadership style. The 2 doesn't mix well. (Nothing bad against Fox, like i said i think he does a good job so all respect to him for taking on the role of Squad Leading)

Thank you Tommy, I am humbled.

The game can be enjoyed in different ways indeed. I believe that the OWI's official server guideline http://forums.joinsquad.com/topic/7849-game-server-administration-guidelines/ holds a great importance in ensuring that the game can be enjoyed in different ways through the rule that: all SLs may kick anyone from their squad for any reason. This allows one of the most important player in the game of "Squad" (without a SL there is no squad) to moderate how they want it to be played. Any player have this right to choose to be this important player or join one of those squads and any player who do not enjoy that SL's style have the right to leave and find/make a different squad. OWI have this as a requirement for allowing servers to be officially listed. (Now arguably it is unclear how OWI enforces it due to their policy on not providing any feedback if a report were to be made against a server violating this) so as long as this is norm is respected by all server owners, we all can enjoy squad in the way we choose. Ofcourse if one choses to stay in a squad they have to accept the fact that the SL makes the rules for their squad. If a person does not accept and chooses to leave then that is a more respectable choice than staying and working against the SL by breaking their rules.

[𝑅𝒾𝓃]

You like memes? And big titties goth girls? Well, I have a SL for you.

[Skakk]

Half the inexperienced SL's would not be setting up squads if there was squads already setup.
As some mentioned they would SL but sometimes like to play the other roles. All SL's were inexperienced at one time. Those who tried to improve their abilities as SL are now Veterans.

This discussion has been made a few times.
Their are arguments for and against SL's actions.
I agree on that s**t rolls downhill from the SL.
There will always be that player who is there to troll or takes offense no matter how the SL is, but 99% of the time the SL sets the culture and squaddies enjoy cohesive squads even if they lose.

We need more players to stepup and be SL's. Some won't enjoy it or be good at it, but most can be good SL's if they stick to certain systems. There is no perfect SL, but those who try to be as good as they can, will increase their teams chances of victory which will result in players enjoying the game more.

Here is another guide with the basics all SL's should be trying to do. Also all squaddies should be aware of.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1469812414

Whether you are a player who normally SL's or a player who never or has little exp SL-ing. Be patient, stern and keep learning. The community needs SL's and Squaddies.