SQUAD is an amazing game, ruined by incompetent SL's

[Badass_Ben]

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I am sick, of having matches be decided in the first 5 minutes, because everyone bum-rushed the mid with logies, and whoever wins that fight wins the match as a whole as
1- nobody bothered to establish fallback positions
2- nobody uses rallies
3- nobody is communicating

9/10, your SL will just DC if their "logi rush" fails (which it does 50% of the time) which leaves teams disorganized and in pieces

USE YOUR ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rallies, ALL the time
If you rally isnt down, you are wrong

Dont put FOB's ON OBJ's
The most brain-dead team (usually) understands "move towards objective" which means that your fob on OBJ will be overrun, even by the brain dead

If you are fighting right from a FOB, you need to spread out and get rallies down ASAP or you will be surrounded, FOB disabled, and overrun


"Why dont you just SL yourself"
Id EASILY say 95+% of my time in this game IS as an SL
And of those, id CONFIDENTLY say my squad is Squad MVP's 70-75% of the time

But sometimes I just wanna get to play machine gunner, or Anti-Tank, or medic
But i swear, EVERYTIME im not an SL< the above kicks in where I end up with a walking simulator as our team has ZERO spawn points available as we then get absolutely steam rolled


Squad Leads:
Get Fobs down
Get rallies down
Keep your squads together and on task
Too many squads I see have dudes willy-nillying about, not being productive or useful as they get maybe 1 kill then die without a medic

I cant STAND when I get into SL mid match, and I hear nothing over Command Channel
If Command channel isnt constantly active, you are wrong

SL's, if you arent CONSTANTLY feeding information via Squad Channel, you are wrong

An SL's job is 2 things:
Spawns
Coms

Get it done

[Bait]

引用自 Onimaho：

引用自 ShepherdOfCats：

I try to get rallies down in the build zone and throw an ammo box down. (feel like I'm giving away a super secret here). HABs often get overrun and having one ammo box near the HAB (which is typical) is just asking to be surrounded with no ability to flank attacking enemies or push out.

Pro-gamer advice here, no being sarcastic. I do this exact same thing if on defense.

Plus, if you know how to place your rallies they can serve as early warning for approaching enemies. If you can coordinate with other SLs to do the same, you'll always know precisely when and what direction they're coming from.

[your opinion is wrong]

squad leading sucks because theres like 30 people talking to you at once, and its as if im larping as a schizo

[killertowfoo]

Squad is an okay game with okay game mechanics and meh game modes.

If you search the forums, you'll find that the fear of the degrading SL has existed for some time. 3+ years at least.

The expectation that your random average gamer can be a competent leader and tactician is unrealistic and rather than the developers cater to that reality, they've introduced game mechanics that kind of make that reality more apparent.

HAB proxy makes HAB placement and FOB building require more consideration than it should. HAB proxy really changed the meta and gameplay for the worst. When rallies became an inventory item, SLs stopped using them.

I only SL when I know I can command, because then I know I have enough assets and influence to win the game. If I know someone else will volunteer for command the second after I volunteer, I go LAT, so I can kill things.

[Murderface]

The problem with Squad is that there are a bunch of players who think they are General Patton and want to micromanage everyone around them. That doesnt make for a great gaming experience for anyone. Its more of a game for whoever has their own squad than it is for everyone else.

You have to factor in that not everybody is playing it as much as the complainer. You may have been here from the beginning. Some came here later. But above all, everyone starts from zero. I dont know a single person that came into this game on their first day playing like they've been here for years.

(To the milsim LARPers:) Be it that Im actually an ex-Sergeant from my days in the Infantry, you REALLY dont want a bunch of us who been there and done that in the real world start running through the servers. What you think of as leading is not what happens in real life. I even see squad leaders competing for dominance trying to be Platoon Leader or Company Commander. But I get it. A lot of you been watching certain youtubers and some of you are trying to be "content creators." Well, thats cool and all for yourself, but you're chipping away at the community as the milsim atmosphere of games is getting more niche and limited. You forget people are trying to have fun. And if you're complaining about people not talking, well, in real life, there shouldn't be a whole bunch of radio chatter anyway. And just to keep it realistic. For there to be a squad, there has to be a platoon. Most of you are just running team size elements anyway.

[I3r0ckst4r]

The Devs need to add in a minimum of 100hrs plus limit to be a SL and 500hrs plus for Commander. Also place penalties for squad members not staying with the SL after a certain time limit or a 200m radius or something else, it's painful when members just go off and do their own things.

[Radegast]

Murderface- You are wrong.
1) game is changing constantly toward arcade game mechanics
2) game is full of the CoD players who plays it like CoD
- they even dont understand the principle of combat - 1) win firefight 2) move from cover to cover, stay hide

The game was sooo good one time... memories remains

[HolyOrangeJuice]

The title of this thread is a good enough summary. Squad is only as good as the command + leaders on each team. I don't know why Squad has such an issue with good players. I find myself going to Hell Let Loose far more often. It is slightly more casual and somehow I always find great team comms and commanders. I prefer to lead, but sometimes I wish I didn't feel like the only leader.

[@gork is this true]

It happens sometimes, but for the most part the SL's are okay. I only play on Ph, Aus and NA servers tho.

[Onimaho]

引用自 Oscar Juliet：

The title of this thread is a good enough summary. Squad is only as good as the command + leaders on each team. I don't know why Squad has such an issue with good players. I find myself going to Hell Let Loose far more often. It is slightly more casual and somehow I always find great team comms and commanders. I prefer to lead, but sometimes I wish I didn't feel like the only leader.

That is because in HLL the SL can do everything on their own.

Also getting killed in HLL is irrelevant due to there is no ticket system.

[RackEmUp187]

引用自 I3r0ckst4r：

The Devs need to add in a minimum of 100hrs plus limit to be a SL and 500hrs plus for Commander. Also place penalties for squad members not staying with the SL after a certain time limit or a 200m radius or something else, it's painful when members just go off and do their own things.

Captain tried doing his own thing where he organized a bunch of veterans and blueberries in discord who were willing to learn the game and play with tactics. It was to organize a pub team and make them better leaders. It didn't work though.
https://youtu.be/ZF5uXy0SuqI

[DesertShadow]

Incompetent SL better than none at all, and although they may cause rough rounds, they absolutely do not ruin the game as a whole!

Where do you think good SL's come from? You have to try and fail, and keep learning. Squadmates, who refused to step up and lead, should assist new SL's (try not to backseat SL). Good Leaders are rare; be grateful when they show up. Don't hate on incompetent ones.

Expect bad rounds, okay rounds, and sometimes a good round.

[Bait]

引用自 DesertShadow：

Incompetent SL better than none at all, and although they may cause rough rounds, they absolutely do not ruin the game as a whole!

Where do you think good SL's come from? You have to try and fail, and keep learning. Squadmates, who refused to step up and lead, should assist new SL's (try not to backseat SL). Good Leaders are rare; be grateful when they show up. Don't hate on incompetent ones.

Expect bad rounds, okay rounds, and sometimes a good round.

The problem of incompetence lies not so much on the knowledge part, but on the attitude. A novice SL open to learning and adapting, listening to either his squad or command, is a much better one than a very experienced one that doesn't take any input, doesn't take on crucial elements like enemy FOBs when he can, and just does his own thing.

Granted, if command is stupid and other SLs are none the wiser, it's likely to happen and a good SL may make a difference in such conditions, but it takes a very special combination of SL and situation for it to be beneficial.

With that said, though, the real problem is SLs that simply can't care less about the match, don't take input, make fun of callouts, and simply insist on executing a wrong strategy and/or with wrong tactics (e.g. attacking a well defended point, from the same angle, while his team is low on tickets, instead of defending a flag under attack). I lost count of SLs who simply ignored enemy FOBs clearly marked - or called out - close to their positions, only to be roasted by enemies spawning from that FOB later.

Lack of awareness and/or recklessness is the definition of incompetence of SLs in Squad, much more than innocent lack of knowledge.
Edits for clarification.

[Bait]

引用自 RackEmUp187：

引用自 I3r0ckst4r：

The Devs need to add in a minimum of 100hrs plus limit to be a SL and 500hrs plus for Commander. Also place penalties for squad members not staying with the SL after a certain time limit or a 200m radius or something else, it's painful when members just go off and do their own things.

Captain tried doing his own thing where he organized a bunch of veterans and blueberries in discord who were willing to learn the game and play with tactics. It was to organize a pub team and make them better leaders. It didn't work though.
https://youtu.be/ZF5uXy0SuqI

With that said, and continuing on my previous post, I'd like to thank you for this post. Didn't know Captain, but his guide on SLing, albeit slightly outdated, is by far the best I've seen in video format. So here's a solution (though not the only) to the problem in OP:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqk34oGYBUDlSttNQmSra0LOrAta_Ub_N

Entirely worth the hours spent - especially as it confirms a bunch of my personal experiences. :P

[RackEmUp187]

引用自 Bait：

Granted, if command is stupid and other SLs are none the wiser, it's likely to happen and a good SL may make a difference in such conditions, but it takes a very special combination of SL and situation for it to be beneficial.

Yeah this just happened to me today. I joined a Squad of 5 on a MEE modded server and had an SL call me over that didn't know what he was doing. He was just following orders of the command to go on defense since nobody was on defense. I asked him multiple times where we were going and he didn't respond. He could've not heard me bc he was talking to command, but I knew he was planning on running over 900 meters to the defensive objective when I saw him going towards it on the map. I asked him another time, where we were going and he ignored me so I stopped following him once the other squad members were following him without him giving orders or talking and I told him "We only have 5 people, why are we going 900 meters without a ride over there, it doesn't make any sense!, Good luck though I'm leaving the squad." As soon as I left and joined another squad, packet loss increased from 50% to 100%. The server crashed thankfully bc that match had nobody on defense and it was already a double neutral.

If the SL would've thought for himself, he would've argued with command that he doesn't have enough men for defense and also needs transport.

引用自 Bait：

With that said, and continuing on my previous post, I'd like to thank you for this post. Didn't know Captain, but his guide on SLing, albeit slightly outdated, is by far the best I've seen in video format. So here's a solution (though not the only) to the problem in OP:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqk34oGYBUDlSttNQmSra0LOrAta_Ub_N

Entirely worth the hours spent - especially as it confirms a bunch of my personal experiences. :P

Yeah no problem. Captain has some good SL tactics and he's also the creator of squadLanes. He created it to give new players at least a competitive edge against the hardcore veterans. Some of the butt hurt people are complaining about it because they felt that it took away from RAAS being random. However, lots of people have seen it as useful and still use it to this day. Now granted, those vids he made are slightly old and slightly outdated but still most of the info holds true to this day.

I loved when he called out Moidawg (Famous Youtuber/Twitch streamer and owner of the Potato fields server) when he made a youtube video showcasing his streamer tactics of putting sandbags for defense:
https://youtu.be/yZr4c65l4VA

I recommend you wacth this vid bc it's a good vid and addressees the problems that we still are continuing to have, even as of today: https://youtu.be/eK0BQ_ue89E

[Machiavelli]

The COD and battlefield players have taken over. I would prefer a smaller community if it meant less lone wolfs, or people who just dont do teamwork or stick together generally.