Which CPU is better?

[Combine]

I'm going to buy a new PC for Squad at this Black Friday. Which CPU should I take in pair with RTX 2070: Ryzen 7 2700 or I5 9600K? I'm not doing anything like streaming or regular video editing. Squad is the main game I'm mostly playing atm, but I would like to have as much potential as possible for future games.

[Poot]

Used Amd for years. Got my first intel chip I5 4590, and would never go back. I get absolutely none of the grief I hear (and remember from my AMD days) and the single core performace on this still means even today I can run most games at 1080 either maxed or very very close and I am running a GTX 970. If you want to run at more than 1080, and many do a later variant I5 (Make sure a it has a K on the end of it so can overclock) is a very good choice. The only people who dont think Intel are better for gaming or think they are a rip off have never really tried them in my opinion as the whole experience is so much better as to be a no brainer imho. Save the extra and go Intel you really wont ever regret it.

[Poot]

Just read what you did buy, well done, great choice. :)

[JoeShmoe]

Originally posted by POOT:

Used Amd for years. Got my first intel chip I5 4590, and would never go back. I get absolutely none of the grief I hear (and remember from my AMD days) and the single core performace on this still means even today I can run most games at 1080 either maxed or very very close and I am running a GTX 970. If you want to run at more than 1080, and many do a later variant I5 (Make sure a it has a K on the end of it so can overclock) is a very good choice. The only people who dont think Intel are better for gaming or think they are a rip off have never really tried them in my opinion as the whole experience is so much better as to be a no brainer imho. Save the extra and go Intel you really wont ever regret it.

Thats just the thing Poot, AMD didnt make a stride these last couple years, they made a leap. Intel is getting griefed because of their slacking off. The i5-9600k for instance struggles to get more than a 5% increase in comparison to the 8600k in gaming. Thats a completely new series gaining almost nothing and costing more. Not to mention Intel still makes you pay for that K, where AMD still doesnt. Then theres sockets and futureproofing, but w/e. Intel put themselves in the position they are in now, we stand to gain from it as the consumer which I'm all for.

[Topcat]

Combine, you will regret i5.. go for i7 for gaming, certainly for unreal engine like squad.. https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/programs/intel-unreal

[Dangfoe]

Originally posted by Topcat:

Combine, you will regret i5.. go for i7 for gaming, certainly for unreal engine like squad.. https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/programs/intel-unreal

Intels work on Unreal is not improving Intel CPU's exclusively though. AMD will also benefit from the multicore advancements.

[Emme]

In terms of pure clock speed intel cpu's lead the market. So pure gaming performance wise they are the best. But we're talking about just a few % here on paper.

Example:

Ryzen 2700x base clock is at 4ghz on 8 cores 16 threads.

i7-8700 has 4.2ghz 6 cores and 12 threads.

So difference is minimal - you will never feel the difference of 200mhz.

Whenever you play a game that is optimised for multi core usage, the Ryzen will be ahead.

Now you got to think of the costs in terms of performance.

Is it worth to pay 100 - 200 more bucks just to get a raw boost on paper of maybe 5%?

AMD actually has come up with very good CPU's for fair prices that can handle games as good as intel does. And believe me I'm in love with intel since I switched from my old phenom x to an i i5 4690k. But if I had to buy me a new system today, I'd go with the Ryzen 2700x. And yes I run multiple apps at once and I am streaming sometimes, so it's a better choice for me. But even if you only play games and need raw gaming performance, isn't it always nice to know that you have something in backup? I mean maybe you're not streaming games today but what if you'll do so in the future? What if the game is getting an update for better multicore usage in the future? Other games that are coming out in the future might make use of multiple cores...

I won't make a decision for you, nobody can do that for you. You just have to think about what you get back for your money.

#edit - oh well now I've noticed to late that you already made a choice...

[Dangfoe]

@Emme You can't compare clock speed from different brands, it is like comparing pears and apples. The i7 is actually more like 17% faster in single thread performance but 12% slower in multi thread performance.

So for Squad the i7 would be about 17% better if you are CPU bound and not GPU bound.

[Emme]

That's basically what I have said just with different numbers. Even 17% aren't that big of a deal 'because both cpu's will run every game just fine. And everyone knows that multicore support is becoming more popular in games yet. So it's just a matter of time until more core's will bring the better performance. But yes at raw performance intel is slightly ahead for the bigger cost. So you can't really go wrong with one of these.

[Dangfoe]

Probably another 10 years before extra cores is better than fewer but faster cores. Even the GPU's that are built specifically for parallel workloads steps on its own feet when trying to work together with another GPU. When you split tasks into many sub-tasks you still have to bring it all together into one output in the end.

[Sunde]

Originally posted by POOT:

Used Amd for years. Got my first intel chip I5 4590, and would never go back. I get absolutely none of the grief I hear (and remember from my AMD days) and the single core performace on this still means even today I can run most games at 1080 either maxed or very very close and I am running a GTX 970. If you want to run at more than 1080, and many do a later variant I5 (Make sure a it has a K on the end of it so can overclock) is a very good choice. The only people who dont think Intel are better for gaming or think they are a rip off have never really tried them in my opinion as the whole experience is so much better as to be a no brainer imho. Save the extra and go Intel you really wont ever regret it.

Sorry but the old i5s has seen their day, new games will utilize hyperthreading, and they dont offer it...
The i7 series are the kings of gaming CPUs. Undisputed now.

[Garack]

Originally posted by Emme:

In terms of pure clock speed intel cpu's lead the market. So pure gaming performance wise they are the best. But we're talking about just a few % here on paper.

Example:

Ryzen 2700x base clock is at 4ghz on 8 cores 16 threads.

i7-8700 has 4.2ghz 6 cores and 12 threads.

So difference is minimal - you will never feel the difference of 200mhz.

Whenever you play a game that is optimised for multi core usage, the Ryzen will be ahead.

Now you got to think of the costs in terms of performance.

Is it worth to pay 100 - 200 more bucks just to get a raw boost on paper of maybe 5%?

AMD actually has come up with very good CPU's for fair prices that can handle games as good as intel does. And believe me I'm in love with intel since I switched from my old phenom x to an i i5 4690k. But if I had to buy me a new system today, I'd go with the Ryzen 2700x. And yes I run multiple apps at once and I am streaming sometimes, so it's a better choice for me. But even if you only play games and need raw gaming performance, isn't it always nice to know that you have something in backup? I mean maybe you're not streaming games today but what if you'll do so in the future? What if the game is getting an update for better multicore usage in the future? Other games that are coming out in the future might make use of multiple cores...

I won't make a decision for you, nobody can do that for you. You just have to think about what you get back for your money.

#edit - oh well now I've noticed to late that you already made a choice...

ipc is not only the base clock its the architecture.

[ccc]

Originally posted by Aegmar:

before you buy a 2nd hand i7 6700k better buy a i7 8700k for slightly less $ / € + better performance and less energy consumption.

Probably listen to this guy. I'm living in the past LOL.

I got a 970 g1 and it's incredible hard to figure out what GPU to upgrade to.

I don't want a 1080 cause they will be outdated soon, I don't want a 2080 because they are well overpriced and not that far from a 1080.

Can get a 2070 but do I really want to have another 70 card?

Help me god.

God said, sell my pc and buy a sword.

[ccc]

I suggest get an i7K. Get something with more threads than an i5 and is unlocked.

Overclocking is so easy with the new motherboards, and it's fun to tweak around.

[Poot]

Originally posted by ♥♥♥ get sum:

Originally posted by POOT:

Used Amd for years. Got my first intel chip I5 4590, and would never go back. I get absolutely none of the grief I hear (and remember from my AMD days) and the single core performace on this still means even today I can run most games at 1080 either maxed or very very close and I am running a GTX 970. If you want to run at more than 1080, and many do a later variant I5 (Make sure a it has a K on the end of it so can overclock) is a very good choice. The only people who dont think Intel are better for gaming or think they are a rip off have never really tried them in my opinion as the whole experience is so much better as to be a no brainer imho. Save the extra and go Intel you really wont ever regret it.

Sorry but the old i5s has seen their day, new games will utilize hyperthreading, and they dont offer it...
The i7 series are the kings of gaming CPUs. Undisputed now.

I should think so as well I have had mine,, 3-4 years ?

But,, and it does, still run virtually everything out there at the moment at 1080 either maxed or very close with a 970, still !

In no way am I complaining in real terms this is the best setup I have ever had in gaming computing and my first one was a Intel 286 so that should give you some idea how many cpu/gpu setups I have seen over the years.

[APS]

You need Intel to proper play Squad. Althought...Ryzen has an amazing value! Its just not the best suit for this particular game.