Get rid of Squad leader role

[Slice]

Most people probably won't agree, but I think the gameplay would be a lot better and more fun. Squads are often groups of around 8 players, and I think 8 players don't need a leader for it to function well together, I actually think it would function better without the whole squad relying on 1 person to take action. It would also give more power to the individual players to build etc. This game is simply not complex enough to make squad leaders a necessity.

[Rose]

^^He's got a point. A SL and Comander role is essential to the way Squad is played.
If you still don't believe anyone after all the comments just join a match as a SL get a squad and don't lead you'll see how fast everyone jumps to a new squad.

[Slice]

Първоначално публикувано от Kazanova:

^^He's got a point. A SL and Comander role is essential to the way Squad is played.
If you still don't believe anyone after all the comments just join a match as a SL get a squad and don't lead you'll see how fast everyone jumps to a new squad.

Wauw it's not about not leading, it's about not giving one person the leading role and having a defined squad leading role. If you still don't get it I suggest you stop trying to understand it.

[Slice]

Първоначално публикувано от OVKHuman:

Първоначално публикувано от Slice:

Most people probably won't agree, but I think the gameplay would be a lot better and more fun. Squads are often groups of around 8 players, and I think 8 players don't need a leader for it to function well together, I actually think it would function better without the whole squad relying on 1 person to take action. It would also give more power to the individual players to build etc. This game is simply not complex enough to make squad leaders a necessity.

Play the game first wont you? Theres a reason why many servers have strict rules to make the SL do their job

Read the actual idea, try to understand it, and then write something.

[Slice]

Първоначално публикувано от Aegmar:

Първоначално публикувано от Slice:

Yes.

so you did play SL - and you have an excellent understanding of squad tactics (as you said, its super simple) - so why would you want your squaddies not following up with your plan but doing something else instead, just because they feel like it ?

I don't want to be the only person telling my squad what to do, I thought you would understand it by now.

[Rose]

Първоначално публикувано от Slice:

Първоначално публикувано от Aegmar:

so you did play SL - and you have an excellent understanding of squad tactics (as you said, its super simple) - so why would you want your squaddies not following up with your plan but doing something else instead, just because they feel like it ?

I don't want to be the only person telling my squad what to do, I thought you would understand it by now.

Then don't play SL😊 Problem fixed.
Most SLs ask opinions but like everyone here has said the final choice lands with a SL.
Have fun talking over 39 other people soon to be 49 others

[Brack$ton Billion$]

"just turn the game into battlefield"

I agree lmfao, its about the only thing that would redeem this game for me honestly. They're already heavily into the arcade genera now

[Dakota]

Първоначално публикувано от Slice:

I think the core aspect is, or should be, to work as a team. I feel squad leaders disrupt that core aspect rather than to improve it.

Can you elaborate on this?

Първоначално публикувано от Slice:

Naturally there will be some people taking the lead in a group, so you wouldn't need an assigned leader. These things will form naturally, which in my opinion, is better than to force it on one person.

I agree that naturally people will take the leadership role in a team. However, leading is not forced, it is a volunteer position. Currently, those who would naturally take the lead in a group do so already in-game by selecting the Squad Leader kit, and thus signal their intent to lead to the team by doing so.

Първоначално публикувано от Slice:

I personally just think it's better to have a couple of people coming up with a plan rather than just one assigned person as a defined role.

This is also, already the case. Outside of the squad, are other squads, that form a team. A team of leaders come up with plans together, these people who would work together to create plans and who naturally pop up to lead amongst the group (team) already exist and are doing so

[Dakota]

Първоначално публикувано от Slice:

I'll just keep playing the way I'm playing right now: Ignore the direct commands the squad leader gives me unless I agree and tell some of my squad members to come with me whenever I want to defend or take over some stuff.

This is back-seat squadleading and is counteractive to teamwork. If you intend to be a team member you should be communicating and cooperating with your teammates instead of ignoring them and running off to do your own thing and you shouldn't be encouraging others to do the same. I've played plenty of games where this sort of stuff happens and it creates so many problems.

[Dakota]

Първоначално публикувано от Slice:

I defenitely try to do what's best though

I understand this, and a lot of players who carry out this sort of behavior tend to think they're doing what's best, but often aren't. Squad leaders form plans with other squad leaders, objectives are often outlined to some extent outside of squad chat that the squad may not always be aware of (because what other squads are doing is often irrelevant to what they're doing). Engaging in this sort of behavior tends to ruin a squads effectiveness in-game by doing things such as wasting assets or taking players away from where they need to be. This happened to my team last night, because of a few people in my squad doing just this until I corrected it.

Първоначално публикувано от Slice:

I just rather have teamwork in which everyone has their own specialty like anti-tank, medic etc. and we all work together and everyone can give their input on what should be done.

This is how the best squads currently function in-game. Everyone has a specialty, be it Anti-tank, Squad Lead, Medic, etc, and everyone shares their input. The SL's specialty, while it may not be explosive, is to communicate with other squads and set clear, specific objectives to keep the squad together, effective, and progressing, so that the team may be working together effectively, and making progress

[Mr. Cabeza]

I agree, Me and my buddies handles well without a dude ordering people around like his a Purple Heart wanna be General .

[Maki Nishikino]

Първоначално публикувано от Serzh:

I agree, Me and my buddies handles well without a dude ordering people around like his a Purple Heart wanna be General .

As if it's enough of a problem to warrant such a change to the game that will essentially destroy Squad. Those types of squad leaders are out there but they're not the type you come across all the time or even close to it. You can't take such a core feature of the game and remove it and not expect it to impact the game. Squad would be practically unplayable without squad leaders.

[BoomBoomLou]

Can we have smaller maps too? I mean really small, turn off stamina we don't need that ♥♥♥♥. Also make recoil almost none existent. I want to be able to paint my gun all kinds of crazy colors like gold as well. Can I get a battle royal mode as well?

[TwistedT]

Squad is based around tactical realism and military realism. This is how the Developers wanted it as most of them are veterans. In the military you don't do a single thing without your leader telling you to do it. This is how the military functions and how the game will function and continue to function.

[Obamenau]

Първоначално публикувано от Dakota:

Първоначално публикувано от Slice:

I'll just keep playing the way I'm playing right now: Ignore the direct commands the squad leader gives me unless I agree and tell some of my squad members to come with me whenever I want to defend or take over some stuff.

This is back-seat squadleading and is counteractive to teamwork. If you intend to be a team member you should be communicating and cooperating with your teammates instead of ignoring them and running off to do your own thing and you shouldn't be encouraging others to do the same. I've played plenty of games where this sort of stuff happens and it creates so many problems.

Yeah this is actually pretty toxic lol

[[Giver Of The Beans]]

i believe we need to take this even further. Please read my suggestion and give advice https://steamcommunity.com/app/393380/discussions/6/3356799628315584981/