Is it normal for almost the entire team to ignore the objectives?

[Tazor]

There were only a few of our guys trying to defend our objective. Nobody trying to take theirs. Everyone was sitting at random all over the place. Even my squad leader had us ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about at random, never touching an objective. Spent most of the match sitting in a random compound while we were doing nothing.

I even asked him "yo, wtf we doing here, we losing all objectives". He went something like "well they failed to defend our objective so we lost." By "they" he was obviously referring to the 3-4 guys in our objective and the 0 guys between our objective and the enemy's objective who got smashed by at least half their team. Totally not our problem.

Complete one sided steamroll from their side. Several games.

Is this the META? Is this what you are supposed to do? Ignore the objectives and muck about in random places on the map?

[Tazor]

Radegast の投稿を引用：

These are Reasons i stoped play Squad and PS for now. The wicked mentality is everywhere, even in Ready or not. Its new online children iphonegeneration. Unable to communicate and cooperate with other human beings. No responsibility, toxic, no subcoordination, no politnes, no brain...

I distinctively remember one time long ago during early access I got in a squad who knew how to play. We had this APC going full speed into enemy objectives and unloading all the guys in there. The APC was providing some fire support as well. Surprising the enemy and taking them down before they can even react. Not running half the map on foot 90% of the game and dying randomly like you see nowadays because every APC is playing world of tanks on its own. With the squad spread out all over the place obviously.

When playing in an infantry squad on the ground moving short distances EVERYONE was together. Just like when playing with Arma clans. Line, echelon or V formation with 5-10 meters of spacing. Nobody gave up early. Targets were called clearly with bearing and approximate range. No squad leaders yelling PUSH BRO PUSH BRO JUST PUSH BRO with no clear indication as to where to PUSH BRO. No talking trash about snipers being useless JUST PICK AK BRO BEST GUN BRO. 10 minutes later we are all getting destroyed by an enemy sniper.

I also remember these massive forts with machine gun emplacements and technicals (on the insurgent side) to hold objectives. I haven't seen a single fort anywhere nowadays. On either team.

I want to go back. Should have played this more during early access. Didn't expect the game to turn into the cancer it is nowadays.

[Radegast]

In thebbest times of PR, you just got order from commander to hold objective. So you made defense perimmeter, built fob somewhere safe and had a nice chat with others squadmates about life itself. You could spent ten minites in nice conversation, when suddenly sneaky enemy commando ambush you... or you were on second side.

PR is lacking a succestor and old community lacks new PR.

Sorry for my czenglish.

[Tazor]

https://ibb.co/LNSn78J

Behold my average squad leader.

[Makuren]

In the past when you joined games squad leads would hurdle in players who want to do their own thing and only focus on kills by getting them involved in the team. I started to play again the other day and every squad I joined had either untalkative squad leads with sniper rifles or a team who did not know how to use a mic. Looking on the strategic map I saw so many players off in the distance half a map away not moving for objectives and it made me wonder: What happened to this game? Guess we need more people stepping up to squad lead.

[Namdaets]

Makuren の投稿を引用：

Guess we need more people stepping up to squad lead.

This is the solution.

[LoRd_D]

Namdaets の投稿を引用：

Makuren の投稿を引用：

Guess we need more people stepping up to squad lead.

This is the solution.

Thats not the solution no matter how good of a squad lead you are you can't fix stupid

[Namdaets]

LoRd_D の投稿を引用：

Thats not the solution no matter how good of a squad lead you are you can't fix stupid

If good leadership isn't the solution in a game built around teamwork and coordination, then what is? There will always be uncooperative players, of course, but they can go pound sand. There's a reason SLs can kick people out of their squad.

The kind of stupid you're talking about only exists because a lot of players simply don't know what to do or how to properly play the game by working together as a team, and in my experience there are simply not enough halfway decent SLs to make up for this inexperience half the time. This game has a pretty steep learning curve and requires actual strategy to win, and the best way for the average player to learn is by following more experienced players' examples.

People in this thread are reminiscing about the good old days of early Squad, but the reason early Squad didn't suffer as much from this issue (in my opinion) is because a ton of those players came from Project Reality and already had a solid grasp on the unique team-focused gameplay Squad was built around. There's a LOT of players in Squad nowadays who don't have that foundation and struggle with said learning curve without quality guidance from players who understand the game.

[Reitz]

Radegast の投稿を引用：

In thebbest times of PR, you just got order from commander to hold objective. So you made defense perimmeter, built fob somewhere safe and had a nice chat with others squadmates about life itself. You could spent ten minites in nice conversation, when suddenly sneaky enemy commando ambush you... or you were on second side.

PR is lacking a succestor and old community lacks new PR.

Sorry for my czenglish.

Just play on events and group up. Who the heck thinks pubbing ps/squad is the way. Never these games dont work with public servers and randoms. You all seen it.

[LoRd_D]

Namdaets の投稿を引用：

LoRd_D の投稿を引用：

Thats not the solution no matter how good of a squad lead you are you can't fix stupid

If good leadership isn't the solution in a game built around teamwork and coordination, then what is? There will always be uncooperative players, of course, but they can go pound sand. There's a reason SLs can kick people out of their squad.

The kind of stupid you're talking about only exists because a lot of players simply don't know what to do or how to properly play the game by working together as a team, and in my experience there are simply not enough halfway decent SLs to make up for this inexperience half the time. This game has a pretty steep learning curve and requires actual strategy to win, and the best way for the average player to learn is by following more experienced players' examples.

People in this thread are reminiscing about the good old days of early Squad, but the reason early Squad didn't suffer as much from this issue (in my opinion) is because a ton of those players came from Project Reality and already had a solid grasp on the unique team-focused gameplay Squad was built around. There's a LOT of players in Squad nowadays who don't have that foundation and struggle with said learning curve without quality guidance from players who understand the game.

I didnt come from pr but the thing is I have a brain and know how to use it also know how to talk as well. When I first started met a really good group of people back when Bx0 was a clan right along with easy company viking and couple other cant remember now. The thing was I'd ask what kit the squad lead wanted me to go as, didn't just pick a kit and run around doing nothing I followed the sl. It's not hard to do anyone with an above room IQ knows how to do these things. Being a good sl can only go so far. You shouldn't need to train some noob how to listen Schools already teach that. Overall problem is the Most of the vets left the game because of the direction the devs took this game as well as being tired of always having to sl because no one else want to do it. Plus the community for this game is pretty bad now its filled with casuals who want this to be the next battlefield or cod.

[LoRd_D]

Hoch die Anarchie! の投稿を引用：

LoRd_D の投稿を引用：

Thats not the solution no matter how good of a squad lead you are you can't fix stupid

Can confirm, not an SL issue, most games people don't listen or actually stick with you no matter how many times you tell them to.

The Squad Ban list should be used for no-mics and ppl who refuse to PTFO, they'd actually change their behavior, then.

Most ppl just grab whatever special kit they want and say ♥♥♥♥ it and don't bother to actually play objectives or listen to SL at all, lmfao... Even ppl with mics.

Very true But what really cements all this in place are the server owners as well especially the play for fun sever where they encourage that kind of behavior and all the noob friendly severs pretty much encourage it as well.

[Altair (アルタイル)]

This is not limited to Squad only, this is way too frequent on Hell Let Loose and Post Scriptum where the rest of the people ignore the objects or doesn't bother defending lately they are more focused on getting more frags/kills than properly establishing a strategic offensive/defensive.

I miss the good old days where each squads will be assigned to certain parts of the map and the rest are coordinating like providing heli/logistic support along with mechanized or armor support if a certain sector is being overrun. Right now once they get killed they no longer bother to fight back or push sadly.

[LoRd_D]

Altair (アルタイル) の投稿を引用：

This is not limited to Squad only, this is way too frequent on Hell Let Loose and Post Scriptum where the rest of the people ignore the objects or doesn't bother defending lately they are more focused on getting more frags/kills than properly establishing a strategic offensive/defensive.

I miss the good old days where each squads will be assigned to certain parts of the map and the rest are coordinating like providing heli/logistic support along with mechanized or armor support if a certain sector is being overrun. Right now once they get killed they no longer bother to fight back or push sadly.

Yeah I mean where else are all the battlefield players going to go since 2042 flopped they go to games like squad, hell let loose, post scriptum, Then proceed to ruin those games. Another big problem are the streamers and youtubers who dont play the game right then their fanboys want to be just like them so its a never ending circle. The game stopped being good around v9 I mean v9 was good but I should say after v9 is when it all went downhill and squad became a game for casuals.

[Mokum]

I quit playing Hell Let Loose for the same reasons. The amount of players that do not understand the game, or just don't WANT to understand the game, is unbelievable.
Someone said that it wasn't such a big deal on Squad.
Well, it is exactly the same.. I totally agree with Radegast.
Sociopaths galore..

[Psycha]

Tazor の投稿を引用：

Sparks の投稿を引用：

Welcome to Squad in 2022

So this is normal nowadays? I remember when I played it during early access it wasn't like this. You didn't have 90% of the team randomly wandering on the map.

You can probably blame the shroud fanbase for that in early to mid 2021. Other content creators at least stressed teamplay more than shroud did. He kinda just shot at random things and laughed alot.

[LoRd_D]

PsychaChi の投稿を引用：

Tazor の投稿を引用：

So this is normal nowadays? I remember when I played it during early access it wasn't like this. You didn't have 90% of the team randomly wandering on the map.

You can probably blame the shroud fanbase for that in early to mid 2021. Other content creators at least stressed teamplay more than shroud did. He kinda just shot at random things and laughed alot.

Yeah streamers can be a blessing and a curse at the same time. Don't get me wrong there are good streamers out there who stress the teamplay. But like yesterday some random youtube video was recommended and it was this guy crying about squad needs to be more casual and that they need to add the ability to fly jets and attack helis, he also said he wished it was more like battlefield. I just dont understand why these type of people just dont buy battlefield then.