Why is Squad adding Canada and Australia, but still no Chinese PLA

[Elliott]

You'd think one of the biggest armies in the world would be a faction in Squad. What gives?

[Dubs]

Publicado originalmente por clay ♥♥♥♥♥:

I don't get why they wouldn't add idk, some unaligned nation? One that would likely face pretty much anyone? I mean for example a middle eastern nation, or some south american nation. Hell, you could do the swiss if you wanna. Hmm, swiss cheese.

Dont have to suffer any angry chinese government employees and you still get something ''diffrent''

Publicado originalmente por Dubs:

Weapon licencing is a huge thing in video games today, due to the profit it can generate. If the game has named weapons, vehicles and modifications from the real world in their game, then it's highly likely royalties for licencing are being paid - or you end up like Escape from Tarkov getting hammered by multiple companies and requesting the items to be removed or for royalties to be paid. Only time you'll hear about licencing is when companies are in trouble over it.

I'm gonna stop u right there.

Norinco (the arms manufacturer and procurement for the PLA) constantly steals stuff from other countries. China as a whole is notorious of such a thing. Additionally, if there is a problem with that, it's a civil suit, as by chinese law such a thing is... somewhat of a grey area? No calling something a QZB-95 or a QZB-03 or type 81 isn't going to get you in trouble. After all the QZB-03 and type 81 is an unlicenced ak if my memory serves me right, and their CQ is definitely unlicenced ar-15.

This literally has nothing to do with video game licensing of real world weapons and equipment.

If a company wants royalties to be paid for one of their products being used/portrayed in a video game, they have legal rights under trademark.

It's why EA got hammered by AM General, for using Humvees in games without license. It's why EFT got hammered by Glock, Sig and various other companies, for using weapons and attachments in their game, without license.

It's why Bohemia uses real world vehicles and weapon designs in Arma, but alters their look and names them something completely different - To try bypass the laws. It's why OWI removed Humvees from Squad to avoid the whole licensing issues.

Also, Norinco pays for rights to manufacture Russian weapons - Such as the AK47/AKM, AK74, SKS and a few others. While China is known to take bits and pieces of designs from all over the world and make weapons, as long as they're not direct copies, and not being sold as trademarked names, they're not really breaking any rules/laws.

[Klav]

Btw you can create China Faction if you want, there is no issue about that.

[Jason300]

Publicado originalmente por Klav:

Btw you can create China Faction if you want, there is no issue about that.

you got to learn how to mode so

[Ninja Gaijin]

Antarctica no 1, please add Antarctica faction

[Fallschirmjäger]

Right its so weird who cares about Canada or Australia.. France, Germany, China or South Korea would be understandable

[SIX]

Publicado originalmente por Fallschirmjäger:

Right its so weird who cares about Canada or Australia.. France, Germany, China or South Korea would be understandable

I do and I would love to see Iran/Israel matchup before any other faction. I would also like to see US Canada and UK go against each other.

[FossilFuel]

Publicado originalmente por Dubs:

Publicado originalmente por clay ♥♥♥♥♥:

I don't get why they wouldn't add idk, some unaligned nation? One that would likely face pretty much anyone? I mean for example a middle eastern nation, or some south american nation. Hell, you could do the swiss if you wanna. Hmm, swiss cheese.

Dont have to suffer any angry chinese government employees and you still get something ''diffrent''


I'm gonna stop u right there.

Norinco (the arms manufacturer and procurement for the PLA) constantly steals stuff from other countries. China as a whole is notorious of such a thing. Additionally, if there is a problem with that, it's a civil suit, as by chinese law such a thing is... somewhat of a grey area? No calling something a QZB-95 or a QZB-03 or type 81 isn't going to get you in trouble. After all the QZB-03 and type 81 is an unlicenced ak if my memory serves me right, and their CQ is definitely unlicenced ar-15.

This literally has nothing to do with video game licensing of real world weapons and equipment.

If a company wants royalties to be paid for one of their products being used/portrayed in a video game, they have legal rights under trademark.

It's why EA got hammered by AM General, for using Humvees in games without license. It's why EFT got hammered by Glock, Sig and various other companies, for using weapons and attachments in their game, without license.

It's why Bohemia uses real world vehicles and weapon designs in Arma, but alters their look and names them something completely different - To try bypass the laws. It's why OWI removed Humvees from Squad to avoid the whole licensing issues.

Also, Norinco pays for rights to manufacture Russian weapons - Such as the AK47/AKM, AK74, SKS and a few others. While China is known to take bits and pieces of designs from all over the world and make weapons, as long as they're not direct copies, and not being sold as trademarked names, they're not really breaking any rules/laws.

ummm they replaced the humvees ingame because IRL the US replaced them as well. EFT licenses all of the weapons they bring into the game otherwise EFT would not be allowed to be sold and bought. they replaced the Humvee around 2015 with the JLTV (Joint Tactical Light Vehicle), Full Production was approved in June 2019, this vehicle is what the US army use in-game as well, they were just a bit late to changing it over.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/01/us/pentagon-jltv-vehicle.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humvee_replacement_process
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Light_Tactical_Vehicle

[Reddyredrooster]

those factions are not created by the devs, they are mods which have been submitted to be put in the full game. the game creators have no part in choosing the factions, its the modding community

[Dubs]

Publicado originalmente por FossilFuel:

Publicado originalmente por Dubs:

This literally has nothing to do with video game licensing of real world weapons and equipment.

If a company wants royalties to be paid for one of their products being used/portrayed in a video game, they have legal rights under trademark.

It's why EA got hammered by AM General, for using Humvees in games without license. It's why EFT got hammered by Glock, Sig and various other companies, for using weapons and attachments in their game, without license.

It's why Bohemia uses real world vehicles and weapon designs in Arma, but alters their look and names them something completely different - To try bypass the laws. It's why OWI removed Humvees from Squad to avoid the whole licensing issues.

Also, Norinco pays for rights to manufacture Russian weapons - Such as the AK47/AKM, AK74, SKS and a few others. While China is known to take bits and pieces of designs from all over the world and make weapons, as long as they're not direct copies, and not being sold as trademarked names, they're not really breaking any rules/laws.

ummm they replaced the humvees ingame because IRL the US replaced them as well. EFT licenses all of the weapons they bring into the game otherwise EFT would not be allowed to be sold and bought. they replaced the Humvee around 2015 with the JLTV (Joint Tactical Light Vehicle), Full Production was approved in June 2019, this vehicle is what the US army use in-game as well, they were just a bit late to changing it over.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/01/us/pentagon-jltv-vehicle.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humvee_replacement_process
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Light_Tactical_Vehicle

You are incorrect my man. While various MRAP variants have replaced the Humvee in reality, especially mid way through the Middle East Wars - It's not the main reason to why the Humvee were removed. OWI themselves have said it was mainly for legal reasons to why they were removed, and why the will not return to Squad(They didn't explicitly state what the legal reasons were, but it's pretty clear to assume what it was). Humvees were removed at the time AM General was suing EA for using M1151's in COD, and threatening to sue other companies if found.

EFT was publicly hammered by SIG and Glock on Twitter and Facebook, to have their products removed or obtain a license. Other companies like Spike Tactical mocked and dissed EFT for using their products without license, while praising another game(Ready or Not) for having license to use their products.

I couldn't find the Glock and Sig twitter post, they appear to be removed. I assume since they're a tad more professional when it comes to this. But Spike Tactical left their tweets up :)
https://i.imgur.com/sEtI3UQ.png

Also, you can still sell your product, if you have unlicensed products in it - You just have to expect to get sued or backpay royalties in large quantities if you get caught.

[Deku Dec (ง︡'-'︠)ง]

Publicado originalmente por Dubs:

Publicado originalmente por FossilFuel:

ummm they replaced the humvees ingame because IRL the US replaced them as well. EFT licenses all of the weapons they bring into the game otherwise EFT would not be allowed to be sold and bought. they replaced the Humvee around 2015 with the JLTV (Joint Tactical Light Vehicle), Full Production was approved in June 2019, this vehicle is what the US army use in-game as well, they were just a bit late to changing it over.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/01/us/pentagon-jltv-vehicle.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humvee_replacement_process
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Light_Tactical_Vehicle

You are incorrect my man. While various MRAP variants have replaced the Humvee in reality, especially mid way through the Middle East Wars - It's not the main reason to why the Humvee were removed. OWI themselves have said it was mainly for legal reasons to why they were removed, and why the will not return to Squad. Humvees were removed at the time AM General was suing EA for using M1151's in COD, and threatening to sue other companies if found.

EFT was publicly hammered by SIG and Glock on Twitter and Facebook, to have their products removed or obtain a license. Other companies like Spike Tactical mocked and dissed EFT for using their products without license, while praising another game(Ready or Not) for having license to use their products.

I couldn't find the Glock and Sig twitter post, they appear to be removed. I assume since they're a tad more professional when it comes to this. But Spike Tactical left their tweets up :)
https://i.imgur.com/sEtI3UQ.png

Also, you can still sell your product, if you have unlicensed products in it - You just have to expect to get sued or backpay royalties in large quantities if you get caught.

As dub said. Its due to legal issues for the Humvee. For the chinese faction, it would need to be handled 100% correctly with research and communication. Its more work for them than the usual stuff, they can make a faction with out worrying about extra stuff, while PLA would mean a lot of talk with them. And a lot of issues would arise from it. Its not something they are focused on currently. It would be great for them to be in, but it would have to wait post 1.0. After then, its a maybe (A Large maybe). From myself guessing i would say a facation type of MEC from PR is next. Thats all.

[Abu Hajaar]

Publicado originalmente por Elliott:

You'd think one of the biggest armies in the world would be a faction in Squad. What gives?

Agreed. I think SK, CN, NK and Asian maps additions to the game would be sweet. But that’s a whole new template, especially for the maps.

[dan]

Publicado originalmente por Captain Fancy Pants:

Publicado originalmente por Aegmar:

There are systemical weather observations since 1781 (not globally of course) - the timefram efrom 1850 until today has a very solid database. Its getting warmer - its a fact,

Your post sounds a lot like denial and deflection - the facts are there, supported by the vast majority of the scientific community. I'd rather be wrong about it and reduce greenhouse gas emissions anyways and make economies more sustainable (if possible) in the process, even if the reasons for the current trend are (which seems highly unlikely) something completely different. Not sure if there is anything to believe regarding this, i merely orient myself on what the scientists who look at this professionally all their lives say about it.

There it is, the "science denial" bit....I knew that was coming, rofl. Science isn't always accurate and it's full of graft and greed - it's a dirty little secret most people don't know about. And there are plenty of skeptical scientists but there isn't any money to be made via this approach (for scientists or politicians). All the big $$'s are in the man-caused-doom-and-gloom-we're-all-going-to-die theory.

https://realclimatescience.com/1970s-global-cooling-scare/

^ An exact opposite perspective by accredited scientists. Even back then, when people said, "We need more data to form a good opinion" there were people screaming "Science denier!!"

Oh well, history repeats itself.

Nice hypotheses. Got any evidence to back them up? The climate scientists have got super computers modeling the planet trying to predict the future. They're spending millions to improve the accuracy of their models. The only people who have a right to say they are wrong are those who have made similar effort which is yielding verifiable results that contradicts theirs. You people are just covering your ears because you'd rather not think about the hell on earth your children are facing within the next 50 - 100 years. Climate change is accelerating at an exponential rate. You just need it to start interfering in global economies and all hell will break loose. World War II will seem like a good bedtime story.

[Jason300]

Publicado originalmente por dan:

Publicado originalmente por Captain Fancy Pants:

There it is, the "science denial" bit....I knew that was coming, rofl. Science isn't always accurate and it's full of graft and greed - it's a dirty little secret most people don't know about. And there are plenty of skeptical scientists but there isn't any money to be made via this approach (for scientists or politicians). All the big $$'s are in the man-caused-doom-and-gloom-we're-all-going-to-die theory.

https://realclimatescience.com/1970s-global-cooling-scare/

^ An exact opposite perspective by accredited scientists. Even back then, when people said, "We need more data to form a good opinion" there were people screaming "Science denier!!"

Oh well, history repeats itself.

Nice hypotheses. Got any evidence to back them up? The climate scientists have got super computers modeling the planet trying to predict the future. They're spending millions to improve the accuracy of their models. The only people who have a right to say they are wrong are those who have made similar effort which is yielding verifiable results that contradicts theirs. You people are just covering your ears because you'd rather not think about the hell on earth your children are facing within the next 50 - 100 years. Climate change is accelerating at an exponential rate. You just need it to start interfering in global economies and all hell will break loose. World War II will seem like a good bedtime story.

STFU -> wrong disgussion forum

[iceman1980]

I have no issue with Chinese military or maps. Battlefield 2 had them so... same with NK.... And Squad is a successor to Project Reality which was built on BF2s engine.

[DerpyDays]

China in Project Reality was a nice faction against NATO factions.