Why is Squad adding Canada and Australia, but still no Chinese PLA

[Elliott]

You'd think one of the biggest armies in the world would be a faction in Squad. What gives?

[mom's sphagetti]

target audience probably

[Jason300]

Originally posted by GI rektdmywife:

target audience probably

absolutely, the target audience is western players
and i can assure you that nobody cares about the chinese

[Elliott]

Originally posted by Loran300:

Originally posted by GI rektdmywife:

target audience probably

absolutely, the target audience is western players
and i can assure you that nobody cares about the chinese

That doesn't make any sense, why add the Taliban and Chechens then? I can't remember the last time a shooter properly portrayed a South Eastern Asian country, especially one that is an actual threat to the West like China or North Korea.

[bigsengineer]

Originally posted by Elliott:

Originally posted by Loran300:

absolutely, the target audience is western players
and i can assure you that nobody cares about the chinese

That doesn't make any sense, why add the Taliban and Chechens then? I can't remember the last time a shooter properly portrayed a South Eastern Asian country, especially one that is an actual threat to the West like China or North Korea.

lol thinking north korea is a real threat

[Maki Nishikino]

They're mods meaning no significant amount of resources are needed from the games dev team.

[Geebus]

Originally posted by Loran300:

Originally posted by GI rektdmywife:

target audience probably

absolutely, the target audience is western players
and i can assure you that nobody cares about the chinese

Nobody cares? I can assure you that tons of people would love to see the Chinese become a faction in the game. The game is seriously lacking an OPFOR conventional faction other than the Russians. The PLA fits that role perfectly.

Originally posted by bigsengineer:

lol thinking north korea is a real threat

They may not seem like that big of a threat to someone in America or Europe but they sure as hell are to the South Koreans and even the Japanese. Seoul is only ~30 miles from the DMZ and Tokyo is well within ballistic missile range. Not to mention the damage they could do to many Pacific islands. If the North Koreans wanted to, they could probably be in Seoul within a few days.

[Dubs]

The Aussie mod isn't being added to the base game per se, it could potentially be added and I hope it does get selected to be added. A fresh faction with different equipment.

China also will not be added due to reasons including;
- The game would be banned in China, as China likes it's military represented in specific ways. They also don't like their nation being portrayed in games being killed by 'western' nations.

- They have strict video game guidelines that choose which games can be sold in their nation, and if they don't meet them, then they have to usually either cater to their demands or create an alternate cencored copy of the game to be sold in China - Which would be quite costly to do so. Or go back to point one above, of being banned.

- Licencing of weapons, equipment etc to use in the game itself. OWI would have to pay for licencing in the form of a single large sum or a percentage per copy sold(royalties) to pay for the licencing. Which knowing China, would charge top dollar.

Ultimately, it would either result in the game being banned, the Chinese playerbase being isolated or cost too much to do so.


More factions are coming, two new ones are being added on full release. One looks to be Opfor based on the silhouette in the image.

[Elliott]

Originally posted by Dubs:

The Aussie mod isn't being added to the base game per se, it could potentially be added and I hope it does get selected to be added. A fresh faction with different equipment.

China also will not be added due to reasons including;
- The game would be banned in China, as China likes it's military represented in specific ways. They also don't like their nation being portrayed in games being killed by 'western' nations.

- They have strict video game guidelines that choose which games can be sold in their nation, and if they don't meet them, then they have to usually either cater to their demands or create an alternate cencored copy of the game to be sold in China - Which would be quite costly to do so. Or go back to point one above, of being banned.

- Licencing of weapons, equipment etc to use in the game itself. OWI would have to pay for licencing in the form of a single large sum or a percentage per copy sold(royalties) to pay for the licencing. Which knowing China, would charge top dollar.

Ultimately, it would either result in the game being banned, the Chinese playerbase being isolated or cost too much to do so.


More factions are coming, two new ones are being added on full release. One looks to be Opfor based on the silhouette in the image.

This isn't true, nor would Squad really care if it was banned in China. I don't think Squad makes really any sales in China actually. But on the topic of being portrayed, what about Operation Flashpoint? There are plenty of games that have the Chinese as the bad guys, but this is literally a milsim where you play as a faction without dialogue or story. There would be no reason not to add them in the game. China may be super sensitive about stuff, but they don't care about being added into a multiplayer shooter.

[Elliott]

Originally posted by Aegmar:

actually i remember a dev saying here that sales in china are actually important for OWI (was surprised about that), but this aside - by looking at the facts it at least seems highly improbable that squad would be banned or forced to make a chinese version in order to stay on the chinese market.

I'm surprised, I've never heard or seen a Chinese player in Squad. Maybe a few Russians, a lot of Europeans. But never anyone from SEA.

[Vlad The Inhaler]

hope they never add china and add taiwan instead

[soulreava]

north korea does represent somewhat of a threat
just because it suits certain entities that make it exist doesnt remove the somewhat of a threat it represents. anyway who won vietnam. it isnt all down to technological might, as modern warfare teaches us.
its all a con in reality, national security ha
more like corporate capitalist security without the cream being shared to the funders/backers
.

[Evil donut]

Originally posted by soulreava:

north korea does represent somewhat of a threat
just because it suits certain entities that make it exist doesnt remove the somewhat of a threat it represents. anyway who won vietnam. it isnt all down to technological might, as modern warfare teaches us.
its all a con in reality, national security ha
more like corporate capitalist security without the cream being shared to the funders/backers
.

Hmm. North Korea could really be a possible faction. But there is allready the Bundeswehr mod community and the aussie mods and so on.

[Dubs]

Originally posted by Aegmar:

Originally posted by Dubs:

The Aussie mod isn't being added to the base game per se, it could potentially be added and I hope it does get selected to be added. A fresh faction with different equipment.

China also will not be added due to reasons including;
- The game would be banned in China, as China likes it's military represented in specific ways. They also don't like their nation being portrayed in games being killed by 'western' nations.

- They have strict video game guidelines that choose which games can be sold in their nation, and if they don't meet them, then they have to usually either cater to their demands or create an alternate cencored copy of the game to be sold in China - Which would be quite costly to do so. Or go back to point one above, of being banned.

- Licencing of weapons, equipment etc to use in the game itself. OWI would have to pay for licencing in the form of a single large sum or a percentage per copy sold(royalties) to pay for the licencing. Which knowing China, would charge top dollar.

Ultimately, it would either result in the game being banned, the Chinese playerbase being isolated or cost too much to do so.


More factions are coming, two new ones are being added on full release. One looks to be Opfor based on the silhouette in the image.

i am unsure about the licensing of weapons, never heard of a lawsuit out of china on that grounds - afaik china is not exactly big when it comes to competetion legislation.

Regarding the first part: If it is as you say why are there games NOT banned in China which do have some representation of the PLA or even some story involving it. I gave examples in my post above.

China will ban the game if their military isn't represented in a way they like it. A simple thing such as having Chinese equipment being outclassed by western equipment could get the game banned. Something as simple as the faction description not being worded correctly and the faction being 'opfor' would get the game banned. China is very protective of it's nations image.

Weapon licencing is a huge thing in video games today, due to the profit it can generate. If the game has named weapons, vehicles and modifications from the real world in their game, then it's highly likely royalties for licencing are being paid - or you end up like Escape from Tarkov getting hammered by multiple companies and requesting the items to be removed or for royalties to be paid. Only time you'll hear about licencing is when companies are in trouble over it.

[Dubs]

Originally posted by Elliott:

Originally posted by Dubs:

The Aussie mod isn't being added to the base game per se, it could potentially be added and I hope it does get selected to be added. A fresh faction with different equipment.

China also will not be added due to reasons including;
- The game would be banned in China, as China likes it's military represented in specific ways. They also don't like their nation being portrayed in games being killed by 'western' nations.

- They have strict video game guidelines that choose which games can be sold in their nation, and if they don't meet them, then they have to usually either cater to their demands or create an alternate cencored copy of the game to be sold in China - Which would be quite costly to do so. Or go back to point one above, of being banned.

- Licencing of weapons, equipment etc to use in the game itself. OWI would have to pay for licencing in the form of a single large sum or a percentage per copy sold(royalties) to pay for the licencing. Which knowing China, would charge top dollar.

Ultimately, it would either result in the game being banned, the Chinese playerbase being isolated or cost too much to do so.


More factions are coming, two new ones are being added on full release. One looks to be Opfor based on the silhouette in the image.

This isn't true, nor would Squad really care if it was banned in China. I don't think Squad makes really any sales in China actually. But on the topic of being portrayed, what about Operation Flashpoint? There are plenty of games that have the Chinese as the bad guys, but this is literally a milsim where you play as a faction without dialogue or story. There would be no reason not to add them in the game. China may be super sensitive about stuff, but they don't care about being added into a multiplayer shooter.

Unfortunately it is true and over the past few years, China has updated it's rules for games to be monetized and sold in their nation and they're quite strict and in some cases the requirements are a little silly.

China has a large playerbase in Squad. There's currently around 20 active licensed servers, during their peak hours they usually populate 6 - 8 servers. During sales and major updates that number increases to around 10 - 12 servers populated.

[Elliott]

Originally posted by Dubs:

Originally posted by Elliott:

This isn't true, nor would Squad really care if it was banned in China. I don't think Squad makes really any sales in China actually. But on the topic of being portrayed, what about Operation Flashpoint? There are plenty of games that have the Chinese as the bad guys, but this is literally a milsim where you play as a faction without dialogue or story. There would be no reason not to add them in the game. China may be super sensitive about stuff, but they don't care about being added into a multiplayer shooter.

Unfortunately it is true and over the past few years, China has updated it's rules for games to be monetized and sold in their nation and they're quite strict and in some cases the requirements are a little silly.

China has a large playerbase in Squad. There's currently around 20 active licensed servers, during their peak hours they usually populate 6 - 8 servers. During sales and major updates that number increases to around 10 - 12 servers populated.

Even if what you say IS true, what is the point in not adding any SEA factions? North Korea, at the very least, would be completely fine to add, not just another useless European army that is proped up by America, where is the diversity in factions?