Impossible to enojoy the game as a casual player

[test]

Long-ish post, a bit of a rant as im quite frustrated with the game.

I played this a bit at launch but thought it lacked a lot of stuff.

I used to play project reality back in the day, i played that a lot so i knew what i was getting into ... or so i thought.

I have a full time job and often pull long hours. My free time to play games is rather limited.

Today was a horrible day in squad for me and for my friend. Are we doing something wrong? I dont remember this being so "against" casuals/new players.

1. The first problem we encountered. We had a hard time joining the same team. There is no way to be in a "party" of sorts. I joined a team, my friend tried to join but was placed on the other team instead. After several tries, we managed to join the same team. It can take several minutes to achieve this.

2. Once in the same team, often times the squads that are created are full. No problem i said, i will make our own squad and play that way. If other people join up i tell them to NOT expect elaborate orders or tactics or anything like that since i dont know what im doing as an SL. I do offer them the SL role, no one wants it.

We play for a bit until i get kicked because apparently i didnt comunicate with other squads/commander.

Allrighty. I decided not to do my own squads anymore.

3. We spent another 10-15 minutes joinign a different server and same team. We finally find an open and joinable squad. We join. We say hi. No one talks. Everyone in the squad seems to be doing whatever they want.
No problem, we will go where the action is and do stuff. Finally we were playing and having a bit of fun until my SL leaves teh server, i get promoted to the SL position.
I didnt notice this as we were fighting other people. I get kicked, again, for not having the SL kit while being a leader. Apparently you get kicked after 2 min of being an SL without a kit.


Our final try, we decide to go to another server. We try to join the same team. No joy. We decide to keep playing like this, on opposing teams until the match ends and we start a new map. Maybe THEN we will have a chance to get into a squad and not get kicked or other crap.
A new map came, we tried joining same team, failed. We played like this for a few minutes until a slot was open on hte opposing team, i joined my friend, we found a squad, no one was talking there but htats normal i guess.

15-20 minutes later i think, we lost the game. We got literally destroyed as a team. I have no idea what happened that game, i was lost the entire time.

We decided to call it a day.


All we wanted is to play this damn game and have some fun. I guess thats not possible?

What, are we joining the wrong servers? Where, what should we do?!

It seems to me this game is against "pre-mades". Its very difficult to play with friends on the same team.
By the time we manage to join the same team, most squads are full or locked.
The only other way is to make a new squad and get kicked because i suck at being an SL.
Well i dont have the time to invest into becoming a good sl, i dont even know how to properly play the game !!

[Barbaric Corgi]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από FaTxAcetotheface:

It might be a bit neglectful for me to not read all of those comments but my response is honestly.. this is the wrong game. The community is here to play Squad as a Mil Sim game. That means there is a chain of command and there are Squad Leaders who's Job is to literally make sure that this 9 man squad is doing what they need to in order to win what ever that may be. The issue comes in when the other 8 people in the Squad dont want to listen because they want to be a "Casual Player" or they just came over from COD and dont understand the culture behind Mil Sims. Honestly I'd say if you can't deal with listening to someone else go play something else or start Squad Leading yourself so that you can stop complaining about all the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ SLs who dont know what they doing or talking about. You tired of that? Be the better SL. I play nothing but SL because I have the exact same mindset, I dont want some guy telling me what to do when everytime the guy opens his mouth he shows me why you shouldn't be listening to him. So i do it myself. You can complain about having to communicate or work with people or you can go play something else. I'm honestly not into the complaining, because i have the same issues with SL's and Commanders where i dont want to listen to them. So I SL, and guess what im quick with the kicks kuz I decide to SL because I know i can lead a 9 man squad to play objectives in a game of Squad. I dont need you, him, her or them joining my squad and deciding to not listen or do what we need done. Simple. Squad is a game about communication, if you dont communicate you are useless to the team therefore useless in the game and expendable(Kickable from Squad or Server).
This whole idea that you can't listen to someone else in Squad isn't bad or wrong in anyway I feel the same way 90% of the time. But you have 2 choices.. start being the SL so that you're calling your own shots(And lets be real and im guna put this in quotes because I need you guys to clearly understand these next few words:"THERE IS NO PROBLEM IF YOU DECIDED AS A SQUAD LEADER TO NOT LISTEN TO COMMAND AS LONG AS YOU ARE CONTRIBUTING TO OFFENSE OR DEFENSE IN A SIGNIFIGANT WAY".) or just stop playing Squad because communication is too hard for you. Complaining about your experience because YOU dont want to communicate in a Modern Mil Sim, is not one of those options, or atleast not a viable one.
Dont like people calling the shots? Start calling em yourself and damn sure make sure you're good at it but the last thing you should be doing is sitting here complaining because YOU dont want to listen to anyone, and i can tell u from my experience. It's really not normally the experienced players who dont want to listen, It's the guys who just got the game and see that their playing a game where they get to walk around with a gun and apply the same COD mindset they came over with to Squad and think they're going to SOLO 360 noscope the enemy team. The guys who have been playing squad for years dont have that problem unless your sl is just dumb. 9/10 its the guys who have less than 100 hrs in the game and are clueless, see no problem with their 9 man squad ending a game with a collective score of 30 because they aren't moving their squad to objectives.

Plain out and simple i honestly think this is the wrong game for you if COMMUNICATION AND TEAMWORK aren't in your playbook.

I think you missed the point entirely. I see you didn't read the comments, but did you make it past the headline?

[[FaTx]Acetotheface]

I think you missed the point entirely. I see you didn't read the comments, but did you make it past the headline? [/quote]

Lol bro, i read the headline, I understand his position. Having a job, not having the time or energy to play Squad seriously. But listen bro, the idea of a "Casual" Squad player is a myth. Casual just is another way of saying " I dont really care about the team work aspect or communication or essentially helping my team win", and if that fits the description of anyone's mindset this is the wrong game. But IG to prove that i read it ill go down it one by one responding clearly to each point for you.

1. The first problem we encountered. We had a hard time joining the same team. There is no way to be in a "party" of sorts. I joined a team, my friend tried to join but was placed on the other team instead. After several tries, we managed to join the same team. It can take several minutes to achieve this.

Okay.. is this even a real complaint? I play Squad with a group of like 6 guys in discord so if there is anyone who knows the struggle of waiting to get all my guys on one team and one squad trust me i've been there. What are you guna do? Sit here and ask an admin to make a 10 player difference between the teams because you dont wana wait? Like I'm just confused as to what you want to do about this? You play with friends... you gotta wait to get everyone together... idk what u want anyone to say.

2. Once in the same team, often times the squads that are created are full. No problem i said, i will make our own squad and play that way. If other people join up i tell them to NOT expect elaborate orders or tactics or anything like that since i dont know what im doing as an SL. I do offer them the SL role, no one wants it.

Squads fillup quick because NOBODY wants to SL. Nobody wants to have 8 randos who are all 50/50 on whether or not they listen or do what they are told(hence why i tend to play with my boys and a few randos to fill it out). Now being an SL you can do what you want with your squad, you wana be hands off? Fine. But by choosing to be hands off as an SL, you are leaving it upto each individual player in your squad as to whether or not or how much they are contributing to the game. The reason I dont do that is because in my experience randos dont have the understanding of the game nor the information to make decisions about what needs to be done. However if you are comfortable with this do as you please. But squads being full is a snowball off of the fact that nobody wants to SL so they join peoples squads.

3. We spent another 10-15 minutes joinign a different server and same team. We finally find an open and joinable squad. We join. We say hi. No one talks. Everyone in the squad seems to be doing whatever they want.
No problem, we will go where the action is and do stuff. Finally we were playing and having a bit of fun until my SL leaves teh server, i get promoted to the SL position.
I didnt notice this as we were fighting other people. I get kicked, again, for not having the SL kit while being a leader. Apparently you get kicked after 2 min of being an SL without a kit.

Not a terrible move. If server and teams arent working switch em. Now joining a squad where nobody is talking.. Anybody who has played this game for more than 100 hours has run into this issue. What can you do about it? This is the same thing as what i was saying about the first point. Nobody wants to SL because people can LITERALLY sit there and decide not to communicate or work with you. It can be stressful if you're Sl and nobody is listening. So nobody does it. This experience is just another example as to how the "Casual Player" can ruin Squad for those of us who actually enjoy playing the game as a communicative cohesive team. They're too "casual" to communicate or w.e.
Great you guys recognized that your SL is not communicating and probably not on objectives so you rotate out towards Obj on ur own good move.

Getting promoted to SL. So yes there are server rules behind those who actually carry SL kits. For instance, if you are running Armor, on most servers you need to have the SL as a Lead Crewman(unless you are specified Mech Inf), and yes the pretty much Squad wide rule of every server is that as an SL you MUST have an SL kit. Now these rules dont have flexibility for real life such as when your SL Dc's and your the new SL. Now i've had this happen to me and ive had it happen in situations when just like you I dont even know i'm the SL. However ive never had the experince of being kicked because I didnt know simply because like you, If i'm in the heat of battle and can't even pay attention to the fact that a whole new line of comms just opened because I'm an SL or i miss the huge message in the top left that lets you know thats all fine, but How long do you really survive in a battle that's ACTUALLY that hot. In my experience not very long normally(ofcourse this is a variable for everyone). So my thing is, if it's that hot that you can't pay attention to anything else but shooting your weapon, moving, and getting sight lines in Squad, your life expectancy in that situation is very low(Dying would allow you to go back to respawn screen and change your kit to SL), therefore the 2-3 min timer is there to kick those kids who wana SL as a LAT or some ♥♥♥♥. It prevents 9 men from running around a map and not having the ability to set rallies or HABs. The only advice one could give on this issue is that you have to be aware bro. Bullets zipping by your head you still have to be aware of the game situation at hand.
Most players dont have the mental ability to understand that their firefight no matter how big or small is EXTREMELY small in the grand scheme of the game. Someone's shooting at them they're guna shoot back or try to because its a game u run around with a gun in that's a simple fact. However your ability as a Squad player is more focused on your ability to actually be effective at winning the game, not your firefights. But underfire its very easy to tunnel vision on your firefight it happens to all of us.
In a squad you guys have a responsibility to each of your squad mates not only as the SL(especially the SL tho) but regular kits too. As you have experienced, life happens outside of the game, your SL's game can crash or DC. Now 8 man squad with no SL and you guys gotta figure it out and figure it out fast. Not doing so causes each SL to get kicked until that entire squad gets kicked for not having an SL kit. Its just a security system to make sure that there are no useless squad running around with no leader to set spawn points for them and keep them in the fight and you have to work around it.

4. Our final try, we decide to go to another server. We try to join the same team. No joy. We decide to keep playing like this, on opposing teams until the match ends and we start a new map. Maybe THEN we will have a chance to get into a squad and not get kicked or other crap.
A new map came, we tried joining same team, failed. We played like this for a few minutes until a slot was open on hte opposing team, i joined my friend, we found a squad, no one was talking there but htats normal i guess.

15-20 minutes later i think, we lost the game. We got literally destroyed as a team. I have no idea what happened that game, i was lost the entire time.

We decided to call it a day. ETC

Ok so one, if you join a squad and nobody is talking please understand that is not the normal. You have to be having bad luck with servers or squads because Squad comms are always FLOODED. Whether its the music players with their soundboards in Local or the casual conversations that occurs in Squad comms and Local. And thats just the usless ♥♥♥♥ that comes out of peoples mouths. In the heat of battle? Squad comms can be in ur ears like an Arty Stick on ur head. So im amazed that you've managed to get into so many silent squads i rarely find em. I'm honestly interested what servers do u play on?
Also getting spanked as a team is normally a DIRECT EFFECT of having inexperienced or weak Command chat.
I always say this and its that as the SL you are one of the few people who can actually be held accountable for losing your team the game so be a good one, if not for your team for your 9 guys. I highly recommend that you get back into Squad Leading its the only way to rid yourself of the bad SLs in your ear and to feel like you can actually make a difference in those games where you're team is getting spanked.

[[FaTx]Acetotheface]

I realize how my first response went off topic. It was more of a response to this idea of the "Casual Player" i really dont like that word lol. Kuz all of the "Casual Players" or guys that dont want to take the game seriously and get ♥♥♥♥ done, are normally people who have never played modern mil sims and dont understand the communication structure nor the chain of command. They just wana casually join a squad and walk around the map half a klick from your squad and objectives because they dont even know they're being useless but they tend to be too arrogant to listen to anyone that is telling them so. I apologize for that first response tho.
Im guna be honest with you the reason i hate the casual player in squad is because in my experience Casual players are normally just burned out players who dont want to deal with the intricacies of tactical game play so they start asset wasting, or ticket burning mindlessly.

But please do tell me what servers are you playing on?

[ZEALOT]

You are either joining new player friendly server or joining a teamwork required server. learn what server you are playing on and the rules. Come to Tactical Triggernometry its a teamwork required server but have a lot of knowledgeable SL's that can help you learn instead of joining a free for all.

[Shepherd]

This looks like a fun game but it's infested with mil-sim dorks and tacticool airsofters.

[ZE RED NECK]

join the 7th ranger server or fifth dimension server or if your into mods join the galactic conquest NA server or the Easy squads zombies server if that's your thing most people get discouraged by this game because finding the right servers to play on is hard i was lucky and found a nice simi milsim discord to join and i have a blast on squad now ive come to love the bugs and how some factions have dang near immortal armor that takes alot to take down and if none of those work look for a server that says newb friendly because it typically is just give it some time to find a good server with a good comunity of players that is willing to teach you how to play the game trust me it take time and i hear about it all the time from new recruits that join my regiment

[C O O L]

That sucks OP. Badmins and no-mics are the bane of this game. It's alright, just find a server that's halfway decent and you'll be good.

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Having a full armor squad is the dumbest thing to have and any decent Vic players know that. Communication hell in squad chat and missing command chat update on Vic positions plus lack of FTL.

"decent vic players"
Ahahahaha, you mean the simpering ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who hide on a mountaintop pretending to be useful until they get ganked by enemy AT? Lol no, it's called the infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) and armored transporter in russian (BTR) for a reason. I love running full armored vic squads, we take a logi and an armored vic for protection while on the move.

[C O O L]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από FaTxAcetotheface:

I realize how my first response went off topic. It was more of a response to this idea of the "Casual Player" i really dont like that word lol.

*fatx reads the word casual*
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[Barbaric Corgi]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Sgt. Meatwad:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από FaTxAcetotheface:

I realize how my first response went off topic. It was more of a response to this idea of the "Casual Player" i really dont like that word lol.

*fatx reads the word casual*
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I don't mind reading a good novel of a post, but when it's off completely off topic based on headline reading, it's a waste.

[Spoon]

Squad isn't a casual game by design, it's a semi-realistic military simulation. Play battlefield if you want a more casual experience.