BTR vs Warrior vs Stryker vs Bradley

[♫ MeoWHamsteR ♫]

Started gunning vics a lot recently, and I can't help but notice that they aren't exactly "balanced".

The Bradley and the Warrior seem quite a bit tankier than the other two, and perhaps deal more damage (especially the Bradley with that TOW, insane ♥♥♥♥). Although, the Warrior is one hell of a freaking whale and can barely climb 30degree slopes, and its sights/ bullet drop are kinda annoying.
The BTR (the 30MM one) seems pretty good, but loses hard to Warriors in facetank matchups.
The non 30MM BTR and the Stryker seem to be on the bottom, if not for their mediocre damage and stats then because of their lack of flexibility (neither of them have HE and spotter seats).

Am I getting all of this right or are there some caveats to the "weaker" vehicles that I'm not getting?

[OVKHuman]

No your right. Warrior is the king of vehicle combat once bradley runs out of its tows yet because of it slow firing clip mag style it quite frankly sucks against things like bikes. Bradley is amazing when it comes to armor and TOW system. We should get BMPs to balance the bradleys for russian while getting 30mm strykers or something else

[OVKHuman]

Originally posted by Aegmar:

To be fair it should be mentioned while the 30mm BTR has weaker Armor, it has a great autocannon on par with the warrior and bradley and its much more agile and mobile. Been driving all of those vehicles and i would always chose the BTR over the tracked vehicles, just because of the mobility.

Russian 30mms cant penetrate the white armor of bradleys or do little damage to them while a bradley or warrior can kill each other. Although against infantry 30mm is on par with bradleys

[OVKHuman]

Originally posted by Aegmar:

Originally posted by OVKHuman:

Russian 30mms cant penetrate the white armor of bradleys

Never heard this before, maybe because older types of rounds used ? The Bradley has never been exactly famous for its armor, isnt it only protected against 14,5 mm allround and 30mm maybe on the turret ? its definetely better armored than the BTR which can only withstand 14,5mm on the front (if even) and only small arms on the rest, but in the game this isnt reflected because of balance, but it is highly mobile and easy to drive

I havent tested this since like the first v11 build so it may have been a glitch but as far as I knoe white armor on warrior and bradley can only be penetrated by MIL/INS/RUS HAT, TOW, warrior or bradley. Even if so it will be too little and the bradleys AP rounds will chew up the BTR's weak armor. I think the green armor is 14.5 resistant. Cant be sure though. BTR 30mms are indeed still the king for infantry support as armor doesnt really matter when everyone is gonna attack it from the back anyways for every vehicle. But the again thats only my opinion and I rarely crew vehicles so take it with a bit of salt

[Dakota]

Seeing as you're new to vehicles OP, you'll probably want to take a look at this
https://squad.gamepedia.com/Tickets

[76561197988918266]

Originally posted by Aegmar:

Originally posted by OVKHuman:

Russian 30mms cant penetrate the white armor of bradleys

Never heard this before, maybe because older types of rounds used ? The Bradley has never been exactly famous for its armor, isnt it only protected against 14,5 mm allround and 30mm maybe on the turret ? its definetely better armored than the BTR which can only withstand 14,5mm on the front (if even) and only small arms on the rest, but in the game this isnt reflected because of balance, but it is highly mobile and easy to drive

Warrior without add-on armor is just basic protection against smallarms(requirement for the program for replacing old FV432) anyway.

The problem here is that neither warrior nor bradley have lower frontal plate weakspot while devs added lfp weakspot to BTRs...etc.

I can understand if upper frontal plate and front turret of those APC are considered up-armored (assuming warrior in-game model is just a placeholder) but

[Posh]

You really want a car(troop carrier) to be at the same level of a tank that was built to take out vechicals like the BTR i mean there are some problems but the BTR have weak armor because they want it to be use to get people from A to B with out getting shot by techs or small arms fire

[OVKHuman]

Originally posted by SpaceyGnat ^-^ |♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.com:

You really want a car(troop carrier) to be at the same level of a tank that was built to take out vechicals like the BTR i mean there are some problems but the BTR have weak armor because they want it to be use to get people from A to B with out getting shot by techs or small arms fire

Give military contractors a design where you can carry a full infantry squad whiling keeping armor and weapons of a tank cause they'll give you millions of dollars to make one

[Posh]

Originally posted by OVKHuman:

Originally posted by SpaceyGnat ^-^ |♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.com:

You really want a car(troop carrier) to be at the same level of a tank that was built to take out vechicals like the BTR i mean there are some problems but the BTR have weak armor because they want it to be use to get people from A to B with out getting shot by techs or small arms fire

Give military contractors a design where you can carry a full infantry squad whiling keeping armor and weapons of a tank cause they'll give you millions of dollars to make one

?

[OVKHuman]

Originally posted by SpaceyGnat ^-^ |♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.com:

Originally posted by OVKHuman:

Give military contractors a design where you can carry a full infantry squad whiling keeping armor and weapons of a tank cause they'll give you millions of dollars to make one

?

Its what you said mate. A troop carrier at the same level as a tank

[76561197988918266]

Originally posted by SpaceyGnat ^-^ |♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.com:

You really want a car(troop carrier) to be at the same level of a tank that was built to take out vechicals like the BTR i mean there are some problems but the BTR have weak armor because they want it to be use to get people from A to B with out getting shot by techs or small arms fire

>implying Warrior/Bradley are tanks

I'm sorry to inform you that Warrior was built as a battlebus just like BTR, and that Bradley is an abomination.

[gerzald]

I seem to recall that this tank can carry 6 troops. http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/modern/israel/Merkava.php

[gerzald]

I wish we could have some of the older light tanks in the game, they would be fun. http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/UK/Alvis_Scimitar.php

[ShepherdOfCats]

Well you can hear them leaving main. That's a disadvantage. If you can hear a warrior or bradley clanking along, every anti-tank guy needs to be moving towards it.

[Greg]

Originally posted by Aegmar:

so in short:

Bradley -> Best Firepower, 2nd best Armor, worst Mobility/Size

Warrior -> Best Armor, 2nd best Firepower, 2nd worst Mobility (but slightly smaller)

BTR -> Best Mobility, not much armor, Firepower ok, just dont go front to front against the others

In addition to this the MTLB has the slowest speed on roads but it can climb up like 80 degree inclines easily. It can really go anywhere the infantry can.

The Bradley is huge but it's decent at climbing. I think it's the warrior that has the worst mobility, but has the most powerful cannon.

[76561197988918266]

Originally posted by gerzald:

I seem to recall that this tank can carry 6 troops. http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/modern/israel/Merkava.php

Choice between half a squad of troops and usable number of ammo. (maybe a handful outside 10-round readyrack)

Don't you know Merkava has always been joked about as APC instead of tank?
Because it tries to both and sucks at both(engine in front to serve as armor except driver is right next to it, taking up half of the space at the front). It also has the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ israeli "composite wood"(that's what it looked like when destroyed) armor, which is why it got ♥♥♥♥ on by RPG...etc. without trophy system.

Scimitar sucks too(it's not much better than Warrior, and only because of its smaller size), Scorpion might stand a chance.