Is this a scam?

[Sir Milles]

I bought this game long ago, I supported the dev's!
I played Project reality aswell.

But are you serious when you take this long to came up with an update?

For me this have a name, and is SCAM.

You developed a base game, people support you so you can keep bringing up new content, bigger maps, optimizations, and current state of the game is this.

Lot of empty servers, lots of angry people, and you guys are more time on vacation then developing the game. SHAME!

No airplanes? No tanks? Maps are so small, dont even have 50x50. This game is so limited at this point, that after a while you get bored.

Just my point of view. In the future I will never again buy any game of your company.

And all my friends who ask me if they should buy the game, I say NO!

[Dakota]

Originally posted by Radboy16:

Honestly, if this game released in the state it was in right now (plus performance optimization of course) then I would be happy. I've gotten my money's worth and then some.

I love this game, but if it were to release in the state it's in now I would be pretty ticked. A product being enjoyable before it is finished is great, but not an excuse for its developer to not keep their word. Thinking in such a way is harmful to the gaming community

[Bluto]

Originally posted by SSIXS:

Originally posted by Radboy16:

Honestly, if this game released in the state it was in right now (plus performance optimization of course) then I would be happy. I've gotten my money's worth and then some.

In this age of milking Early Access for years, what does "released" really even matter anymore?

Titles aren't released optimized and performing as they should (example Post Scriptum) so developers spend post release fixing their problems and adding new content.

Game development today is basically one big mess of bug fixes and optimizations while trying to put out enough content to keep consumers playing, while still trying to figure out how to fix what was broken in the first place.

Yes, Early Acces has become the norm. Used to be, you would never see a game before Beta, at most.
I remember years ago, most of you won't, a small company called NovaLogic created a game called Joint Operations. I do remember updates, and spin offs of the original, but don't remember any kinf od Early Acesss.
And I don't think they had more than 8 devs through the entire cycle of the game.
They got lucky. Low manpower. High return.
The Squad boys are trying, I'm sure. I talked to one about tank developement. They want ♥♥♥♥ done right.
You think this ♥♥♥♥ is easy ?
try it.

[Forward Bias]

Originally posted by Dakota:

Originally posted by Radboy16:

Honestly, if this game released in the state it was in right now (plus performance optimization of course) then I would be happy. I've gotten my money's worth and then some.

I love this game, but if it were to release in the state it's in now I would be pretty ticked. A product being enjoyable before it is finished is great, but not an excuse for its developer to not keep their word. Thinking in such a way is harmful to the gaming community

I guess since I never joined at a state where I was aware of these promises, I can say that I'd be happy where it is. Obviously they do need to keep up on the promises that they've laid out (and I know they will, in due time). I was just expressing that I find this game fun as is! :)

Originally posted by Bluto:

Originally posted by SSIXS:

In this age of milking Early Access for years, what does "released" really even matter anymore?

Titles aren't released optimized and performing as they should (example Post Scriptum) so developers spend post release fixing their problems and adding new content.

Game development today is basically one big mess of bug fixes and optimizations while trying to put out enough content to keep consumers playing, while still trying to figure out how to fix what was broken in the first place.

Yes, Early Acces has become the norm. Used to be, you would never see a game before Beta, at most.
I remember years ago, most of you won't, a small company called NovaLogic created a game called Joint Operations. I do remember updates, and spin offs of the original, but don't remember any kinf od Early Acesss.
And I don't think they had more than 8 devs through the entire cycle of the game.
They got lucky. Low manpower. High return.
The Squad boys are trying, I'm sure. I talked to one about tank developement. They want ♥♥♥♥ done right.
You think this ♥♥♥♥ is easy ?
try it.

I also think that a key difference between an Early Access title and some AAA game is funding (obviously). A company like Activision can pump out a new title every two or three years and it will be released as a full experience. They have all the funding they need, and a large team. Most games going through Early Access do so for funding purposes. I don't know why people expect a full fledged game within a year with a smaller development team.

I really don't see how EA is milking it though. You bought the game.... they aren't taking any more money from you.

[ccc]

bro it only takes them 3 weeks...

[SSIXS]

Originally posted by Radboy16:

Originally posted by Dakota:

I love this game, but if it were to release in the state it's in now I would be pretty ticked. A product being enjoyable before it is finished is great, but not an excuse for its developer to not keep their word. Thinking in such a way is harmful to the gaming community

I guess since I never joined at a state where I was aware of these promises, I can say that I'd be happy where it is. Obviously they do need to keep up on the promises that they've laid out (and I know they will, in due time). I was just expressing that I find this game fun as is! :)

Originally posted by Bluto:

Yes, Early Acces has become the norm. Used to be, you would never see a game before Beta, at most.
I remember years ago, most of you won't, a small company called NovaLogic created a game called Joint Operations. I do remember updates, and spin offs of the original, but don't remember any kinf od Early Acesss.
And I don't think they had more than 8 devs through the entire cycle of the game.
They got lucky. Low manpower. High return.
The Squad boys are trying, I'm sure. I talked to one about tank developement. They want ♥♥♥♥ done right.
You think this ♥♥♥♥ is easy ?
try it.

I also think that a key difference between an Early Access title and some AAA game is funding (obviously). A company like Activision can pump out a new title every two or three years and it will be released as a full experience. They have all the funding they need, and a large team. Most games going through Early Access do so for funding purposes. I don't know why people expect a full fledged game within a year with a smaller development team.

I really don't see how EA is milking it though. You bought the game.... they aren't taking any more money from you.

There ya go.... funding. Developers can make money upfront and aren't held to any real standards other than, will the title function and does it (very) loosely fit what's advertised. Developers can then collect money literally for years without producing a final optimized product, if they don't walk away all together.

Imo, if anything is a scam to consumers (to go along with the thread topic) it's Steam's Early Access program. I think if developers want to do it honestly, release their titles as pre-order alphas or betas. Then they can still collect their funding, and consumers retain the option to refund if a title doesn't end up being what the developer advertised, or releasing when the developer advertised it would. You don't see that often though. Many developers would rather have their money first, and then milk development out for years.

[Hellespont]

It was a lot worse with the servers even just a year ago. The game is generally fun, it has come a long way since it was first released. Well worth 30$

[=7Cav=MAJ.Maddox.D]

And to be fair there a lot of empty servers on every game. People can buy them whenever they want but there’s also plenty of full ones

[gerzald]

Fun game. Wish they would have the mod maps playable now. New map each month is all I ask.

[Dubs]

Far from a scam. Don't know of much game scams that give 70+ updates during its development, while offering more content in its alpha stage, than majority of fully released AAA titles....while having a far small team and budget.

Also, regarding v12

"A few other things have also taken place that if we had done without would probably have caused us to be released on time, we decided to trade a longer release window this time with a reduction in the amount of large systems making its way into A13. We have been implementing origin rebasing to completely remove jitter from weapons when you get far away from map root (this is a requirement to move past 4k maps, and to utilize all of the terrain on the 4k maps effectively), and we have been implementing a system that we hope reduces our networking costs when fully enabled paving the way for 100 player server."

[Dyris_Gaming]

Yes this dev team treats its buyers like ♥♥♥♥ just ask bigfry and bluedrake42 they also removed a post when bigfry showed proff how this dev team is !

[SSIXS]

Originally posted by Aegmar:

This may be true in some cases, but how does this apply to squad development ? Have they released an unnfished product without clarifiying its an ALPHA and under development ? No

Are they releasing DLC's every couple months that are basically patches and make people pay for it like some major developers do ? No

Seriously, if OP is bored go do something else in the meantime. Its a small group developing a very special niche game any major developer wouldn't have touched or if they did made a mess of. OWI did not mislead players about anything and it was always clear that such a small team won't be able to offer the same development speed as the major studios.

I was speaking of the gaming industry in general.

However, if you want to get Squad specific... It's not entirely correct to state OWI hasn't misled players about anything. They've blown past 3 advertised release periods, on their way to failing to produce a finalized product by the 4th.

They accepted crowdfunding money through their Kickstarter advertising sniper roles, jets, attack helicopters, rounds of AAS never playing the same, "SUPPORT FOR TEAM TOURNAMENTS AND LADDERS. Both large scale 50v50 matches for public and clan ladders, and 5v5 and 8v8 on specifically designed smaller maps". That's just a few to substantiate my perspective.

I'm not saying I think Squad is a garbage game (it's certainly not imo) but the way some folks (not you specifically) act like OWI is God's gift to gaming development and has been perfect in their development of Squad is (imo) laughable.

We don't even know the specifics of what Squad is actually supposed to be in its final release state. One would think after 4.5 years of development and 3 years of playtesting, OWI could definitively convey the scope of the final release product. All we have is a list of things on a Kickstarter campaign and monthly updates (where things hyped 2 years ago or more still haven't made it into the game). We're 2 months away from the latest advertised release period, and OWI is still throwing things against the wall to see what sticks.

[Vlad The Inhaler]

Originally posted by Merrick362:

blah blah blah. go away troll.

+1

[Patrick Ballsman]

I've had nearly as much fun out of this as PR so i'd say its done okay. Just waiting for more factions and maps

[Ganjalf]

Stop relying on your mother to buy you everything and get a job and you will soon not worry about the 25 pound you spent on this game.. level of intitelment is beyond a joke

[Mr. President]

Originally posted by Ganjalf:

Stop relying on your mother to buy you everything and get a job and you will soon not worry about the 25 pound you spent on this game.. level of intitelment is beyond a joke

A fool and his money...