russian army have ak rifle sights just like the US army

[Lifelesssword]

first they are using the ak-12 in syria and the absence of good ak rifle sights is unrealistic because those rifle sights that the squad development team gave to the russian army are very old and yes they are used but not as much as the other new ones like PK-A or PO 3.5x21P or NPZ Shvabe red dot sights or VOMZ Pilad red dot sight and seen alot of russian solders using the Holographic weapon sight in syria

[Dubs]

Only specific units within the RU Armed forces, have wide use of optics - Mainly special operations or special police units. Within the main regular force, only specific regiments have wide use of optics.

Majority of Soldiers within the main RU Army, that aren't apart of one of the few prestigious regiments, have iron sights. You'll only ever see optics for specific roles or ranks in the main RU Army(Unless it's one of the fancy regiments)

The AK12 is in limited use currently, the AK74 is and still will be the main rifle in the RU Military for 5+ years(Maybe more) - As the AK12 has to be manufactured, delivered, distributed and then soldiers have to go through weapons training. This process takes many many years. Weapon orders are filled in increments, over a period of years. They don't get all units ordered at once.

[Unleashed3k]

Originalmente postado por Dubs:

Only specific units within the RU Armed forces, have wide use of optics - Mainly special operations or special police units. Within the main regular force, only specific regiments have wide use of optics.

Majority of Soldiers within the main RU Army, that aren't apart of one of the few prestigious regiments, have iron sights. You'll only ever see optics for specific roles or ranks in the main RU Army(Unless it's one of the fancy regiments)

The AK12 is in limited use currently, the AK74 is and still will be the main rifle in the RU Military for 5+ years(Maybe more) - As the AK12 has to be manufactured, delivered, distributed and then soldiers have to go through weapons training. This process takes many many years. Weapon orders are filled in increments, over a period of years. They don't get all units ordered at once.

Many many years?
I started with G3, after 3 months we had a 1 week training and after that we used the G36 without probs.
Same goes for MG3 -> MG4, 3 days training and then let's go. (But MG4 is..... compared to MG3 ;))

[Dubs]

Originalmente postado por c0dex Unleashed3k:

Originalmente postado por Dubs:

Only specific units within the RU Armed forces, have wide use of optics - Mainly special operations or special police units. Within the main regular force, only specific regiments have wide use of optics.

Majority of Soldiers within the main RU Army, that aren't apart of one of the few prestigious regiments, have iron sights. You'll only ever see optics for specific roles or ranks in the main RU Army(Unless it's one of the fancy regiments)

The AK12 is in limited use currently, the AK74 is and still will be the main rifle in the RU Military for 5+ years(Maybe more) - As the AK12 has to be manufactured, delivered, distributed and then soldiers have to go through weapons training. This process takes many many years. Weapon orders are filled in increments, over a period of years. They don't get all units ordered at once.

Many many years?
I started with G3, after 3 months we had a 1 week training and after that we used the G36 without probs.
Same goes for MG3 -> MG4, 3 days training and then let's go. (But MG4 is..... compared to MG3 ;))

It takes a lot of time to make the amount of rifles ordered. It takes time to deliver and distribute the rifles. Then it also takes time to put soldiers through weapons training.

So for example
- 1.5 million AK12 rifles are ordered.
- Every 6 months 200,000 AK12 rifles will be delivered

That's 400,000 rifles in 1 year. 400,000 out of 1.5million. It'll take just under 4 years to produce all these rifles. This is excluding the time it takes to distribute the rifles, as well as put soldiers under training for them.

If you spent 1 week training to use your weapon, your country is doing it wrong. You have to know how to field strip & maintain the weapon.You have to learn the weapon and it's recoil impulses. You have to gain the muscle memory, so everything is fluid when doing it. 1 week is not enough.

[Unleashed3k]

Originalmente postado por Dubs:

Originalmente postado por c0dex Unleashed3k:

Many many years?
I started with G3, after 3 months we had a 1 week training and after that we used the G36 without probs.
Same goes for MG3 -> MG4, 3 days training and then let's go. (But MG4 is..... compared to MG3 ;))

It takes a lot of time to make the amount of rifles ordered. It takes time to deliver and distribute the rifles. Then it also takes time to put soldiers through weapons training.

So for example
- 1.5 million AK12 rifles are ordered.
- Every 6 months 200,000 AK12 rifles will be delivered

That's 400,000 rifles in 1 year. 400,000 out of 1.5million. It'll take just under 4 years to produce all these rifles. This is excluding the time it takes to distribute the rifles, as well as put soldiers under training for them.

If you spent 1 week training to use your weapon, your country is doing it wrong. You have to know how to field strip & maintain the weapon.You have to learn the weapon and it's recoil impulses. You have to gain the muscle memory, so everything is fluid when doing it. 1 week is not enough.

Ah, ok, now I understand your point, didn't thought about the production part.

Btw, after 1 week, you know every piece of your rifle. That's one of the first things every german soldier learns, field strip & maintain. And I don't think german army is "doing it wrong", because this 1 week was enough even for people with lower iq/bad education.

And firetraining is something different, which is exercised nearly every week, at least in Inf-Units like mine.

[Lifelesssword]

Originalmente postado por c0dex Unleashed3k:

Originalmente postado por Dubs:

It takes a lot of time to make the amount of rifles ordered. It takes time to deliver and distribute the rifles. Then it also takes time to put soldiers through weapons training.

So for example
- 1.5 million AK12 rifles are ordered.
- Every 6 months 200,000 AK12 rifles will be delivered

That's 400,000 rifles in 1 year. 400,000 out of 1.5million. It'll take just under 4 years to produce all these rifles. This is excluding the time it takes to distribute the rifles, as well as put soldiers under training for them.

If you spent 1 week training to use your weapon, your country is doing it wrong. You have to know how to field strip & maintain the weapon.You have to learn the weapon and it's recoil impulses. You have to gain the muscle memory, so everything is fluid when doing it. 1 week is not enough.

Ah, ok, now I understand your point, didn't thought about the production part.

Btw, after 1 week, you know every piece of your rifle. That's one of the first things every german soldier learns, field strip & maintain. And I don't think german army is "doing it wrong", because this 1 week was enough even for people with lower iq/bad education.

And firetraining is something different, which is exercised nearly every week, at least in Inf-Units like mine.

guys am talking about disadvantage of the russian army in the game when facing the US army
i know its a sim to a real war but we still need something for the russians especially agenst the US/UK army ACOG

[OVKHuman]

Originalmente postado por Lifelesssword:

Originalmente postado por c0dex Unleashed3k:

Ah, ok, now I understand your point, didn't thought about the production part.

Btw, after 1 week, you know every piece of your rifle. That's one of the first things every german soldier learns, field strip & maintain. And I don't think german army is "doing it wrong", because this 1 week was enough even for people with lower iq/bad education.

And firetraining is something different, which is exercised nearly every week, at least in Inf-Units like mine.

guys am talking about disadvantage of the russian army in the game when facing the US army
i know its a sim to a real war but we still need something for the russians especially agenst the US/UK army ACOG

Im confused. The Russian army has a very similar scope layout to the US. In fact now I think the only downfall is the marksman but the russian GLs have like no recoil

[dan]

Russians get an advantage with automatic fire. Ive now gotten used to the ak to the point that I leave it on auto all the time but still manage taps when needed. The recoil however (unrelated to optics) is heavier on AKs.

SVD gives u 3 seconds to start bandaging or its a one-shot. SASS on the other hand leaves 13 seconds on a hit to chest. SVD bullet is faster.

Also russians get some really cool toys from the SL emplacements. The scoped NSV can mow down whole capitalist squads a mile away no matter how many scopes they have. People just dont put it down often enough.

[Greg]

Most are just ironsighted. PR and Squad are misleading though because there is no standard optic for the 74m (or the ak-12) and you will see a a variety of different optics in the wild personally bought by the soldiers. The 12 lacks the dovetail mount, that precludes it from using the older style optics. So that's great.

[Sea Base]

I think the standard sight balance is good, it's just the SVD that needs some work on the Rus side. It has too much spread, even when lying down 100% rested, vs other DMRs.

[dan]

russians should get mosin with bipod like that british cancer gun. now that would be fun.

[Lifelesssword]

Originalmente postado por Aegmar:

Russian Army has no disadvantage in the game, they have the same amount of optics as the US does.

US SL can chose between Aimpoint / ACOG

RUS SL can chose between 1P63 Reflex / 1P78-1 Kashtan

US Medics have Aimpoint (no zoom)

RUS Medics have Reflex (also no zoom)

same number of scoped Rifleman

both Machinegunners got Scopes, Autorifleman in Fire Support Section too, Grenadiers both Irons, Marksman of course scoped.

as far as i can see they both have the exact same amount and type of non-ironsight options.

you cant tell me thet the 1P78-1 Kashtan is as good as the acog
the acog is way better and i just want the new stuf that the spetsnaz use in syria is that to much to ask

[dan]

Originalmente postado por Lifelesssword:

i just want the new stuf that the spetsnaz use in syria is that to much to ask

Probably yes as the game more or less works well right now and the devs have a crap ton on their plate to be chasing after individual requests.

[Magnum]

"- Every 6 months 200,000 AK12 rifles will be delivered"
Working in the industry, that's very optimistic, but I get the point. It does indeed take a lot of time for a new weapon system to be produced in enough numbers without sacrificing quality + the client adaptation to it (training and gear wise). Specialised/privileged units get it first.

It's not like producing chinese made Aks ...

I've never had a problem with russian weaponry in the game. Now I guess they're subject to change in future updates. à la PR