Marksman needs a buff

[Armybow]

What is the point of going marksman, when you can just go Rifleman with an optic?
Rifleman with optic has 30 rounds in a mag, does the same damage as a marksman, has the same zoom on the scope, and can also give ammo. I’m pretty sure it’s a no brainer.
Marksman is a useless class imo right now. It should be buffed with zooming capabilities for long range sniping, or add something else useful for them. Like a ghillie suit.

[Stellar Fox]

marksman is not just a rifleman with an optic. he should stay away from the team in a vantage position spotting any enemy or vehicle the squad can encounter and also watch the squad's flank or provide cover fire when they're in danger. a rifleman usually stays with the squad to provide ammo for anyone that needs it. i agree that the marksman should have more zoom for their optics, but their rifles also need to be more powerful. the devs just copied the same damage from other rifles and put it on the DMRs, so it's 2-3 shots on the chest and 3-4 in the limbs depending on the range. if you hit the chest of a person at close range they should istantly die, not be able to walk it off and bandage themselves.

[The Wolf Steel]

Bipod with enhanced optic zoom lets you do some pretty accurate damage. They're not meant to be like a sniper, Dev's have said they don't want them in the game.

They also do more damage per bullet than the riflemen. They might be lower DPS since Riflemen can both go full auto and more reliably aim single shot rapid fire more precisely than Marksman, but Marksman do more damage per bullet. I also think they have a less punishing bullet drop than Riflemen from personal experience. I've killed people with just two to the chest in any situation, with Riflemen needing 2 for close range and 3+ depending on range.

It's not useless, it's situational. Lone wolfing, which tends to be the "meta" for most people right now, Marksmen are useless. In coordination with a squad and engaging targets that are already engaged from an overwatch position, they can do a lot of situational damage and remain relatively un-engaged from the opposing forces.

It's a situational kit, just like ALL the fire-support roles are. A LAT is more or less not pulling his full weight if he never shoots off his rocket and gets killed by INF or never finds a single vehicle to fire at, and a machine gunner is relatively ineffective with a rapid moving squad in an area that offers no overwatch or too much cover against his angle of fire.

There's a reason Riflemen are generally better performance over-all. They're more versatile than any other role and that's why you can have a squad of nothing but Riflemen and medics+SL.

[Armybow]

If marksman was given zooming capabilities along with a bipod, they could do some nasty damage. Otherwise, you are right, it is a situational kit. But, a rifleman with an optic can do the exact same thing, but he can get more lead down range, as well as supply ammo. That was my point.
Marksman is a useless class because an optic rifleman can do the exact same thing but with added extras.

[Maki Nishikino]

With the US Army the scope on the M110 is x10 power and 7.62x51, the M4/M4A1 is x4 power and 5.56x45, quite a difference.

[Hellstorm901]

I'd honestly like OPFOR marksman to be given a bipod for their rifles

[Acetango]

You might have missed Wolf's point, here. The marksman is a situational class, like other fire support/specialist roles. They're not meant to be 'better' or 'worse' than riflemen. They're meant to put very accurate and powerful rounds down range, which can be a challenge at certain distances for other kits. The SVD's bodyshot can bleed someone out in seconds, if a follow up shot doesn't kill them first. The M110's bipod gives it high accuracy, and the potential to put the hurt on an enemy that hasn't been made aware of its presence.

The marksman serves as a blend of offense, defense, and counter offensive. A machine gunner holding the squad down can be picked off quickly by the marksman. An open area is a killing field for the marksman in wait. A marksman that can flank forces endangering his squad can relay target positions and movements as well as he could eliminate them.

Yes, a rifleman can technically do the job of a marksman. You can also pee in the shower.

What you're perceiving as the marksman being weak is just the kit having its pros and cons. It can acquire and engage targets at ranges easier than a rifleman.

The only buff I'd want to see coming its way is range finder equipment.

Your 'buffs' are a hair short of holding your breath for bullet time, and bolt action rifles that are capable of blowing limbs off. Arma is that way. People have remained adamant about this: no snipers. Squad is a team based game. I don't care how many kill montages someone uploads, xXx_Snypr_xXx isn't a part of the team.

I'm sorry for being rude, but it's that time of the month where 'SNIPER PLS' threads appear

[Alumenad]

No reason to play marksman as of now. It needs a buff or bipods indeed.

[Zyfer]

Originally posted by Stellar fox:

He should stay away from the team in a vantage position spotting

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/sniper
"a person who shoots at individuals from a concealed or distant position."

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sniper
"someone who shoots at people from a place where they cannot be seen"

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/marksman

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/sharpshooter

"An >athlete< noted for accurate aim, as in basketball or archery."

I think not.

[Lanka]

Some of the marksman optics are just useless for the ranges they're intented for then. Which sucks doubly when opposing side has optics on every weapon.. Recently played few maps with friends, out of sheer curiosidom picked Insurgent marksman and over hour of game didn't even spot nor shoot anyone with it. It's more useful as club. I tried to stick around squad and provide fire support as they advance.. then tried to flank to known enemy positions.. no difference, no matter how far back I try to stay I get hit before I can even spot any targets. Unless you want to tape a magnifying glass on your monitor the optic is only going to give you neck pain. Later part of the game thought it'd actually be more useful if they'd have PResq SVD with irons as then it'd be accurate&powerful semi-auto rifle for medium range..

Next map picked US grenadier. That optic beats SVD's 10:0.

[Zyfer]

Originally posted by Lanka:

Some of the marksman optics are just useless for the ranges they're intented for then. Which sucks doubly when opposing side has optics on every weapon.. Recently played few maps with friends, out of sheer curiosidom picked Insurgent marksman and over hour of game didn't even spot nor shoot anyone with it. It's more useful as club. I tried to stick around squad and provide fire support as they advance.. then tried to flank to known enemy positions.. no difference, no matter how far back I try to stay I get hit before I can even spot any targets. Unless you want to tape a magnifying glass on your monitor the optic is only going to give you neck pain. Later part of the game thought it'd actually be more useful if they'd have PResq SVD with irons as then it'd be accurate&powerful semi-auto rifle for medium range..

Next map picked US grenadier. That optic beats SVD's 10:0.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/793116473816801757/8A0140D8B22622126A9272D543264B15F4C121D3/
^Done with an SVD.

You're not supposed to play with a snipers mindset.

Not opposed to having both iron sight and scope on the rifle though, that'd be beautiful.

[Maki Nishikino]

Originally posted by Lanka:

Next map picked US grenadier. That optic beats SVD's 10:0.

7.62x54>5.56x45

[Lanka]

Originally posted by Zyfer:

You're not supposed to play with a snipers mindset.

Not opposed to having both iron sight and scope on the rifle though, that'd be beautiful.

What mindset are you supposed to play the SVD then? A literal club?

Originally posted by Maki Nishikino:

Originally posted by Lanka:

Next map picked US grenadier. That optic beats SVD's 10:0.

7.62x54>5.56x45

I've never heard of 7.62x optics, tell me more.. /sarcasm. I'm aware bigger bullet is better, my point is the optics on SVD are garbage.

[Maki Nishikino]

Originally posted by Lanka:

I've never heard of 7.62x optics, tell me more.. /sarcasm. I'm aware bigger bullet is better, my point is the optics on SVD are garbage.

Not what I was implying. The 7.62x54 retains energy longer, you may be able to hit a target with a 5.56x45 but the chances of incapacitating that target are much higher at the same range. It's not garbage and in fact really good if you know how to use a PSO. What you want is an SV-98.

[Zyfer]

Originally posted by Lanka:

Originally posted by Zyfer:

You're not supposed to play with a snipers mindset.

Not opposed to having both iron sight and scope on the rifle though, that'd be beautiful.

What mindset are you supposed to play the SVD then? A literal club?

Marksman and Sniper are 2 completely different words and mindset, you'll figure it out, with experience, after experience is gained give all the tips you want on the Marksman class.

I'd pick the SVD over ANY gun in the game anyday, especially for CQB, okay maybe not over the SAW in CQB, that one's got a special place in my heart.

[SpaceWombat]

Originally posted by Armybow:

What is the point of going marksman, when you can just go Rifleman with an optic?
Rifleman with optic has 30 rounds in a mag, does the same damage as a marksman, has the same zoom on the scope, and can also give ammo. I’m pretty sure it’s a no brainer.
Marksman is a useless class imo right now. It should be buffed with zooming capabilities for long range sniping, or add something else useful for them. Like a ghillie suit.

I would expect the devs to eventually do an overhaul of the marksman class, incorporating the same kind of fire support that the Sniper kit for the Canadian Special Forces has for all factions. IMO the only thing wrong I can see with greatly buffing the marksman role like that though would be that it would be too strong for every squad to have one. So either marksman should become a 1 per team role like the Canadian faction, or they just need to find a different way to improve the class to make it more viable than rifleman. If they went that route, I can see them implementing unique spotting mechanics or fortifications for the marksman class but only time will tell I guess.