Need opinion in Laptop Specs

[Brotherscompany2]

Hello everyone, first of all THX for your attention in advance, second dont come and tell me lm better off with a DeskTop l need mobility.

My question is your estimate on the Graphic option l will be able to run and if l will be able to hit the consistent 60FPS, lm mainly buying this PC for playing SQUAD and future games.

- Ryzen 7 4800H. Processor Core: Octa-core (8 Core). Processor Speed: 2.90 GHz. Maximum Turbo Speed: 4.20 GHz. Cache: 8 MB.
-GeForce RTX 2060. Graphics Memory Capacity: 6 GB. Graphics Memory Technology: GDDR6.
- 16GB RAM + 512GB SSD
- 144 Hz. Screen Mode: Anti-glare. Screen Resolution: 1920 x 1080.

https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Legion-Gaming-7-4800H-Phantom/dp/B08Q7BL7N1/ref=psdc_13896615011_t1_B08TWB5JYT - for the full product

[Jedi]

Hello,

As a engineer and owner of Lenovo gaming laptop from 2017 Y910-17ISK I can tell you all truth about Lenovo gaming laptops.

This is cooling system from your (I hope not) future laptop:

https://i1.wp.com/laptopmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/cooling.jpg?ssl=1

After I bought my laptop I quickly found that Lenovo simply don't care about cooling capacity or performance of their laptops.

On presented picture you can see that of course comparing to the previous designs they added 2 heatsinks. Now 1 fan is operating with 2 heatsinks so generally you have 4 heatsinks removing temeperature of your CPU and GPU connected together (laptop CPU doesn't generate as much heat as GPU so CPU radiator cools GPU, BUT SQUAD is HEAVY FOR CPU, not like other games!!!!

Unfortunately it's not enough to cool your hardware properly ,why?

1. The first issue is bottleneck in connection between heatpipes and heatsink that you can see on the picture (keep in mind that this picture is upside down). Normally those heatpipes are touching radiator from the bottom and it's simply not transporting temperature properly (it should go trough radiator).

2. Second issue is that the heatpipes you can see filled with probably demineralized water under pressure are not enough, means that general volume and therfore thermal capacity is not enough to handle temeprature of CPU and GPU under stress.

IDK why Lenovo is making such a cheap design. This cooling system cost for you if you want to buy it probably between 30-70$ so I guess that big scale manufacture is even cheaper.

My advice:
1. Don't take any 15' laptop as this is too small volume to put proper cooling system.

2. Try to find something else of manufacturers that simply care about cooling and performance of their laptops: MSI, Asus, Alienware maybe CLEVO?

Don't make same mistake as me. Now I'm undervolting both CPU and GPU to keep low temperatures while gaming!!!!!

[Jedi]

Originally posted by Aegmar:

Interesting, bad/cheap design then on Leovos side..., but i guess to some extent the issue is endemic to all gaming laptops..., there is simply not much room for cooling systems and airflow....

Im curious about external cooling pads, the ones you put under your laptop to assist in cooling.

How effective are those external cooling pads for laptops anyways ?

Look at this: https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/FruD6kUSLvQRmApX.medium

That is not the newest design. It's also too expensive in my humble opinion.

There are laptops on the market that have sufficent cooling systems (mostly MSI). It cosist few elements:

1. General cooling capacity of heatpipes. This is diameter, amount of demineralized water inside etc.

2. Evaporation surface on CPU and GPU. Designs that consist evaporation chamber on CPU and GPU are generally better.

3. Connection of heatpipes with heatsink is also very imporatant. In my laptop I belive that heatpipes should go trough heatsink as it is possible and also try to imagine that full heatsink is made of copper same as heatpipes.

Cooling pad is a must when you don't have proper high of under the laptop, probably never. Also cooling pad creating some kind of "air film" under surface of laptop so if it draws air from the bottom will help a lot. It won't help if the laptop is taking air from the side.

[Jedi]

Originally posted by Aegmar:

Originally posted by Jedi:

Also cooling pad creating some kind of "air film" under surface of laptop so if it draws air for the bottom will help a lot. It won't help if the laptop is taking air from the side.

Thanks for especially that piece of information, i would not have considered that - makes sense.

Remember also that better cooling pads consist one big fan and it doesn't need to have high rotation speed. When you "close" the cooling pad with surface of the laptop it will create above mentioned "air film". That's full information and observation of laptop user.

[Brotherscompany2]

Im in class right now didnt have the chance to read the whole thread, but do you have any Laptop you would recommend? Money is going to be a issue l was going to choose Lenovo since its the cheapest option available while maintaining normal Hardware found in other Laptops.

Also realisticaly what will be the affect of the high thermal load?

[Jedi]

Originally posted by Brotherscompany2:

Im in class right now didnt have the chance to read the whole thread, but do you have any Laptop you would recommend? Money is going to be a issue l was going to choose Lenovo since its the cheapest option available while maintaining normal Hardware found in other Laptops.

Also realisticaly what will be the affect of the high thermal load?

What is your maximum :) amount of money to spend? Thermal load will cause thermal throttling and therefore it will drop CPU and GPU clocks, VRAM clock and cause FPS drops.

Also it can damage your laptop in the long term usage.

But Lenovo is smart so they are putting as called "thermal limits" at very low level which means constant thermal throttling while game.

I guess nowadays to avoid thermal throttling they are setting CPU and GPU clocks on very low level which means you are using e.g. RTX 2060 with performance of much lower GPU!!! :D:D:D:D

Try to search for at least 17' laptops of MSI, Asus, Clevo and you can put it here so I can advice you. I guess this is not the best time for buying any gaming hardware.

EDIT: This looks promising, seems that someone did the homework:

CLEVO NH77DPQ

https://clevo-computer.com/media/image/8a/0b/aa/CLEVO-NH77DPQ-FHD-17-3-IPS-144Hz-INTEL-CORE-i7-10870H-NVIDIA-RTX-3060-SPECIFICATIONS-DESIGN-PORTS-5_1280x1280.jpg

I don't want to force you anything. I can just tell you whether cooling systems is promising.

[Brotherscompany2]

Thanks for all the detailed Info guys! l have never saw anyone going as deep as you went.

My budget is about 1000 euros and even that is a bit expensive for me, l dont have a big issue in not being able to run the highest Graphics possible as long as l can play, but the truth is that l never went for such expensive laptops.

Realistically lm going to get the money mid Summer just wanted to keep an eye on how the Laptop would perform to manage my expectations.
My friends were telling me that maybe next year the price of that laptop (and similar) would drop, l was honestly waiting for a Summer Sale or perhaps Black Friday, never looked into Laptops around that time but lm guessing they might drop 300$

[Three Thousand]

I use an HP Omen 17 with a full RTX 2080 and I get around 70fps on 1440

[Jedi]

Originally posted by Three Thousand:

I use an HP Omen 17 with a full RTX 2080 and I get around 70fps on 1440

What CPU? What kind of temperatures you have and of course what kind of FPS threshold you have because I know u don't have stable 70 FPS.

I have 90 locked FPS at base and outside the action. When action starts I have my CPU, GPU utilization goes down and FPS drop to even 35-40.

One look and I know everything. It's not bad but also nothing special:

https://www.laptopmain.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/HP-Omen-17-W000-Disassembly-18.jpg

[Brotherscompany2]

Originally posted by 123:

i use a i5 7600k asus strix z270 f - 2070 - 1440p and get 60 90 fps in big fights some times low as 50 but free sync pre helps with laitency Alot! - ill get like 100 + in base or certain areas that arnt as clumped

Around what graphic options do you play?

[Brotherscompany2]

Originally posted by Three Thousand:

I use an HP Omen 17 with a full RTX 2080 and I get around 70fps on 1440

I would love to ask you about the same question

[Jedi]

Originally posted by Aegmar:

Originally posted by Three Thousand:

I use an HP Omen 17 with a full RTX 2080 and I get around 70fps on 1440

a "full" rtx 2080, as in a desktop rtx 2080 ? Just checked the Notebook and its awesome, but its still a RTX 2080 Mobile..., which is pretty great oc, but what do you mean by "full" ?

edit: ah, i see there are two versions of it, one running at 80 Watt for "thinner" notebooks and the bigger one running at 150 Watt for heavier ones, guess thats it.

150 watt which is still joke comparing to desktop version.

My advice, don't buy 2070, 2080, 3070, 3080 in laptop cause you pay bigger price for something that won't be utilized even in 60%, but you paid for 2080... Go for 2060 e.g.

If you want to buy laptop with strong GPU desktop like you have to pay more than 3000 euros to utilize it properly.....

[Jedi]

Originally posted by Aegmar:

Originally posted by Jedi:

150 watt which is still joke comparing to desktop version.

My advice, don't buy 2070, 2080, 3070, 3080 in laptop cause you pay bigger price for something that won't be utilized even in 60%, but you paid for 2080... Go for 2060 e.g.

If you want to buy laptop with strong GPU desktop like you have to pay more than 3000 euros to utilize it properly.....

when i read the benchmarks right the 2080 Mobile in the 150 Watt versions offers the same performance as the 2070 desktop..., which allows for Squad in 70 fps in 1440p..., probably not possible with the 2060 mobile.

So it makes sense, altough its of course hellishly expensive compared to desktop hardware..., or at least used to be, considering the situation on the gpu market its probably even cheaper now^^

It's not so simple. You can check benchmarks but I will never believe that 2080 mobile 150 watt as you call it is the same performance as 2070 which will take probably more than 300 watts.

Also 2070 desktop which one? Which brand, 2 fans radiator, 3 fans radiator or blower? Maybe water-cooling.

Laptop GPU is limited only because of limitations of cooling system. Maybe you will not even reach 150 watt in laptop as GPU will heat to 90+ Celsius and start throttling.

This is something you don't hear from manufacturer.

Yep there's no point to pay for 2070 or higher in the laptop that has not sufficient cooling. That's imprudent. I made that mistake and I'm warning you.

You as customer expect manufacturer to make things in the best possible manner, but they don't care. Super expensive laptop with top parts and they will set up for you clocks or thermal throttling that laptop won't shut down while gaming, that's it.

[Jedi]

GPU Boost Clock : 1650 MHz

It's quite low clock. I'm pretty sure that with this card (cooling mounted on it) you can get around 2000 MHz and 14000 MHz you can also overclock. In this case you will probably reach 300watts.

In one if posts I provided brands of laptops that guarantee that you get what you paid for, but you will pay a lot, much more than 3000 euros...

[GrittyWittyBittyKitty]

i know this thread is somewhat old but i play with rtx 2060 i7 10750h 16gb ram 144hz acer predator helios 300 and i fps limit to 72 (half 144 cuz it looks best) and when i am in heavy gun fights and battles it can go down to 50 fps, not bad but still, also artillery strike WILL get ur fps to dip to extreme low fps (if effects is set to epic) also graphics settings are max 1080p,
but i dunno about ryzen, it said it is as good as intel for gaming but if cpu is good than you will get good preformance

[Jedi]

Originally posted by veri kool:

...it said it is as good as intel for gaming but if cpu is good than you will get good preformance

Playable performance, to reach good performance you need at least 4.5Ghz-5Ghz CPU which in my opinion should run 4K!