Some one help me with my tendency to backseat gaming.

[Ownedpilot]

I know I am annoying. That is why I want to hear from you guys for the advice. I get anxious pretty easily so therefore I would start to backseat SL without knowing it. Is there any ways to help me curb this tendency and be a better player in Squad.

[Drax]

Squad lead yourself

[Nossa30]

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[Onimaho]

Originally posted by Ownedpilot:

I know I am annoying. That is why I want to hear from you guys for the advice. I get anxious pretty easily so therefore I would start to backseat SL without knowing it. Is there any ways to help me curb this tendency and be a better player in Squad.

Clearly you are bored, and this leads to you looking for something to do. So, in your case the other something to do is to annoy the SL.

Pick a kit that keeps you more busy. Hang out near a squadmate and just have a fun chat over local. Do logi runs. Focus on what is going on around you within 200m and ignore what is happening beyond that.

I've run into a few matches where had a player telling me about stuff going 800m-1.5km away and telling me what I should say to the other squads over command to do about it. Just straight up asked the guy why is he not focusing on his job of taking down the hab that is 150m down the street on the active attack objective. Apparently that wasn't enough for the guy cause he doubled down on it by asking me what is going on in the command chat at that moment. So, my response was...if you really want to know be an SL and join in on the command net, other wise do the job the squad is tasked with. Wouldn't ya know, he left the squad made his own instead of annoying me some more. It was great cause I got to enjoy the rest of my match without that dudes attitude and hopefully he realized that being an SL is what he really wanted to do. Also hopefully he realized that command net chatter was actually on point that whole match.

Anyway, normally if someone like that gets annoying enough I just kick'em without saying anything. But, figured give the guy a chance to make a choice cause oddly enough the crap he was asking about I had already communicated over squad net 3 minutes earlier. Hard to give someone too much ♥♥♥♥ who has some tactical sense, even if it is a few minutes delayed.

All that aside, what would have been helpful is if the guy actually focused on the assigned job and helped his teammates get that job done. Even simple stuff like...hey squad the eastern trench is clear to move up on their hab. That is more beneficial than clogging up squad chat asking the SL what is going in the command chat in the middle of a HAB 2 HAB firefight over a distance of 150m...the ♥♥♥♥ are you doing that you have the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time to think about that. Anyway eventually lost that firefight just from shear numbers of defenders getting spammed. The support mechanized infantry unit that was called in to help decided to do a 1km (instead of the 300m direct) drive off to the west even though they were told our position was going to be overrun in 2 minutes or less (it was about 3 minutes). But that's squad life, assistance shows up when it's convenient for them and not you.

[Ownedpilot]

Originally posted by Onimaho:

Originally posted by Ownedpilot:

I know I am annoying. That is why I want to hear from you guys for the advice. I get anxious pretty easily so therefore I would start to backseat SL without knowing it. Is there any ways to help me curb this tendency and be a better player in Squad.

Clearly you are bored, and this leads to you looking for something to do. So, in your case the other something to do is to annoy the SL.

Pick a kit that keeps you more busy. Hang out near a squadmate and just have a fun chat over local. Do logi runs. Focus on what is going on around you within 200m and ignore what is happening beyond that.

I've run into a few matches where had a player telling me about stuff going 800m-1.5km away and telling me what I should say to the other squads over command to do about it. Just straight up asked the guy why is he not focusing on his job of taking down the hab that is 150m down the street on the active attack objective. Apparently that wasn't enough for the guy cause he doubled down on it by asking me what is going on in the command chat at that moment. So, my response was...if you really want to know be an SL and join in on the command net, other wise do the job the squad is tasked with. Wouldn't ya know, he left the squad made his own instead of annoying me some more. It was great cause I got to enjoy the rest of my match without that dudes attitude and hopefully he realized that being an SL is what he really wanted to do. Also hopefully he realized that command net chatter was actually on point that whole match.

Anyway, normally if someone like that gets annoying enough I just kick'em without saying anything. But, figured give the guy a chance to make a choice cause oddly enough the crap he was asking about I had already communicated over squad net 3 minutes earlier. Hard to give someone too much ♥♥♥♥ who has some tactical sense, even if it is a few minutes delayed.

All that aside, what would have been helpful is if the guy actually focused on the assigned job and helped his teammates get that job done. Even simple stuff like...hey squad the eastern trench is clear to move up on their hab. That is more beneficial than clogging up squad chat asking the SL what is going in the command chat in the middle of a HAB 2 HAB firefight over a distance of 150m...the ♥♥♥♥ are you doing that you have the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time to think about that. Anyway eventually lost that firefight just from shear numbers of defenders getting spammed. The support mechanized infantry unit that was called in to help decided to do a 1km (instead of the 300m direct) drive off to the west even though they were told our position was going to be overrun in 2 minutes or less (it was about 3 minutes). But that's squad life, assistance shows up when it's convenient for them and not you.

Thank you very much. That is beyond helpful. I just played a game as an SL and had a great time. Maybe you are right, I need to play as an SL to enjoy Squad.

[Mesond]

The source of dread is uncertainty. You will make mistakes. Likely many. Accept that. Right now. Accept that you will fail so you don't dread it.

I don't fear making mistakes. I only fear not being able to adapt. Let's say my driver takes a wrong turn and we end up dug in on a hill with an enemy BTR pinning us down. How to counter? Well, we got a hab up and swapped to anti tank. Which I failed at on the first shot. Missed by a mile. Thought the rocket would dip with distence. Keep moving around. Try to get a different spot where it won't shoot me while my squad draws fire. Eventually I nailed that BTR.

Faliure turned to success there. Though you might have to mess up 10 times over depending on what you're trying to do (probably going to crash choppers a bit at first).

In a word, adapt. Make a plan but be prepared for things to go wrong. Which they will. When they do simply make the best of the situation. No matter how bad things get, make the best of it. Simply keep trying. And I mean trying as in actually try. Not the half assed half ass and give up crap.

This bit might help with your own personal flaws as much as in game. The moment you give up, you are a hypocrte, a liar and a coward. You assumed something somewhere. Lied to yourself (withou realising it) somewhere. Probably something the lines of "I can't do this" or "Assume the worst". This is not helpful or useful. It is counter productive to finding solutions or accepting bad/volatile situations. And can even make them go worse.

Try to control your lack of patience. Slow and steady has its place. And can lead to events being fun once things pan out.

And if you really want to put your hyperactiveness to good use I once distracted the enemy at quarry with just myself (took a humvee). Quarry wasn't an objective. But the enemy did show up. I didn't try to see any enemies. I heard them. So I shoot at nothing. Then all hell breaks loose as bullets are flying at the high ground I'm at (went prone right away. some habits are good). I pretended to be an army as I fire here and there and somehow got away alive. Mainly I was scouting. But being a decoy keeps the enemy distracted and away from others. I try to aim to distract when I can when leading a squad. How to keep the enemy away from objectives? Makes me less predictable.

Another good tactic is to make a plan so crazy that even you don't know what might happen. If it keeps you guessing, it can keep the enemy guessing. This can make them confused. Distracted long enough to be caught off guard. Between "Probably going to die" and "Let's do something stupid", go with the stupid. You might survive.

Wherever your fast reflexes are needed or not depends on the situation.

When not engaged then try to brainstorm. Think of what ideas you can offer. Make a judgement call yourself when in a squad even. See how things pan out.

Also, don't be afraid to ask for help. Or suggest backup. Even indicating you never used mortors can lead to a squad leader teaching you how. Just be sure to speak up when you are confused or need something. Statements like "I never used mortors" or "Mine on the road" (I like to keep the map up when in a truck) can help a lot. Short and clear when needed.

If you squad lead yourself be sure to state things like "Orders from command. We head here to defend/attack there". If you make your own plan, say what it is. "We flank here. Take a right." Only the drive might go straight ahead when you come under fire from nowhere and you all panic. If you survive (somehow) then find a defence spot. Hlll can work. Or depe in trees. Or bushes. Or prone behind a low wall. etc. Always keep your brain thinking. What can you do? Not what can't you do, what CAN you do? If it's nothing then simply adapt and take things as they come until you figure out something.

I'm actually good at dealing with peoples flaws. It's all about direction. State goals clearly. Make corrections right away. Also, keep trying new things. I'm going ot give flying a go even though I suck at it. Do I worry about crashing? Sure. But got to learn somehow. In any situation, no matter what it might be, be realistic and keep in mind the first time can flop. Then check in (with others or yourself). And consider how to improve on what is done.

Just be sure to learn from it all. Don't try to "class" it. Simply lead by example when you can. While going with the flow of what happens.

[GrEeN GoBLiN]

Originally posted by Ownedpilot:

Originally posted by Onimaho:

Clearly you are bored, and this leads to you looking for something to do. So, in your case the other something to do is to annoy the SL.

Pick a kit that keeps you more busy. Hang out near a squadmate and just have a fun chat over local. Do logi runs. Focus on what is going on around you within 200m and ignore what is happening beyond that.

I've run into a few matches where had a player telling me about stuff going 800m-1.5km away and telling me what I should say to the other squads over command to do about it. Just straight up asked the guy why is he not focusing on his job of taking down the hab that is 150m down the street on the active attack objective. Apparently that wasn't enough for the guy cause he doubled down on it by asking me what is going on in the command chat at that moment. So, my response was...if you really want to know be an SL and join in on the command net, other wise do the job the squad is tasked with. Wouldn't ya know, he left the squad made his own instead of annoying me some more. It was great cause I got to enjoy the rest of my match without that dudes attitude and hopefully he realized that being an SL is what he really wanted to do. Also hopefully he realized that command net chatter was actually on point that whole match.

Anyway, normally if someone like that gets annoying enough I just kick'em without saying anything. But, figured give the guy a chance to make a choice cause oddly enough the crap he was asking about I had already communicated over squad net 3 minutes earlier. Hard to give someone too much ♥♥♥♥ who has some tactical sense, even if it is a few minutes delayed.

All that aside, what would have been helpful is if the guy actually focused on the assigned job and helped his teammates get that job done. Even simple stuff like...hey squad the eastern trench is clear to move up on their hab. That is more beneficial than clogging up squad chat asking the SL what is going in the command chat in the middle of a HAB 2 HAB firefight over a distance of 150m...the ♥♥♥♥ are you doing that you have the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time to think about that. Anyway eventually lost that firefight just from shear numbers of defenders getting spammed. The support mechanized infantry unit that was called in to help decided to do a 1km (instead of the 300m direct) drive off to the west even though they were told our position was going to be overrun in 2 minutes or less (it was about 3 minutes). But that's squad life, assistance shows up when it's convenient for them and not you.

Thank you very much. That is beyond helpful. I just played a game as an SL and had a great time. Maybe you are right, I need to play as an SL to enjoy Squad.

dont be afraid to ask the other squad leaders for help, they are generally the most helpful. There will be a few times a wanna be commander that isn't is telling all the squads what to do and then getting mad when they don't listen. Just ignore that stuff, more back seat SL like ya said.. learn the love SL, but you'll need breaks from it.

[Bait]

Topic came in handy for me as well, could have been me writing it. Just had my 2nd or 3rd "♥♥♥♥ it I'll do it" adventure as SL after the 3rd SL in a row quit the squad right after the game started, and despite having lost the match our squad was like the 2nd highest scoring.

Not trying to say I'm anything wonderful, in fact the team was terrible, what I mean is: folks with absolutely no clue what they're doing are going SL, while we who think we know a thing or 2 are putting ourselves down and often having to follow such bagel heads. I second Aegmar, we should just stop being lazy about upgrading our game (pun not intended), at some point we'll get good enough.

Can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.