Remove The Cheese

[Chungal Grease]

A lot of servers allow one manned locked squads called "Scout Car" to use the MATV, BRDM and other light vehicles with guns that don't require crewman kits. On the other hand though, the cheese is everyone is using the Lead Pilot role to do this so that you can use the vehicle repair kit. This oversight needs to be fixed.

I really don't think there was the intention of creating a lead pilot role so people could run around all match in a scout car with the lead pilot role. The game needs to be patched to exclude the pilot role from sitting in the drivers seat of anything but a heli.

[FD_Stalker]

No
Since everyone can claim vehicle that does not require crewman kit, there is no reason to block pilot claim it simply because pilot can use repair kit.
Scout car and MATV are nothing special, they cost 5 tickets, 6 minutes to spawn, same as logi.
If you really want it, you should play in a server with rule forbidden such behavior, instead of forcing everyone to comply with your thought.

Since I don't see any server has such rule so far, I doubt your idea is anywhere near welcome

[Chungal Grease]

Originally posted by FD_Stalker:

No
Since everyone can claim vehicle that does not require crewman kit, there is no reason to block pilot claim it simply because pilot can use repair kit.
Scout car and MATV are nothing special, they cost 5 tickets, 6 minutes to spawn, same as logi.
If you really want it, you should play in a server with rule forbidden such behavior, instead of forcing everyone to comply with your thought.

Since I don't see any server has such rule so far, I doubt your idea is anywhere near welcome

So you honestly believe that the intention of the developers in creating a specific pilot role that has a repair kit in his inventory was to not only fly a helicopter but to also drive around a BRDM or MATV in a one manned locked squad the entire match? This is completely illogical and an oversight by the developers and should be fixed as soon as possible.

[FD_Stalker]

Originally posted by Zylfrax791:

So you honestly believe that the intention of the developers in creating a specific pilot role that has a repair kit in his inventory was to not only fly a helicopter but to also drive around a BRDM or MATV in a one manned locked squad the entire match? This is completely illogical and an oversight by the developers and should be fixed as soon as possible.

Devs just throw out the asset, it depends on player to put them on use.
If one man vehicle is always bad then all the server would ban that kind of behavior. Yet they did not, and almost all the servers allow pilot to one man vehicle that does not require crewman kit.
Devs limit crew role to 2+ players sq in hope to stop one man "Armor" vehicle because "most people complain about it", not because they "initially create crewman role with repair kits for sq with at least two men to use Armor which will heavily affect the team(which they did not)"

And you know what's illogical?
Vehicle does not function like a radio and CMD has to stay close to "HAB" to use CMD ability, instead of just one man a car away from the frontline

[Chungal Grease]

Originally posted by FD_Stalker:

Originally posted by Zylfrax791:

So you honestly believe that the intention of the developers in creating a specific pilot role that has a repair kit in his inventory was to not only fly a helicopter but to also drive around a BRDM or MATV in a one manned locked squad the entire match? This is completely illogical and an oversight by the developers and should be fixed as soon as possible.

Devs just throw out the asset, it depends on player to put them on use.
If one man vehicle is always bad then all the server would ban that kind of behavior. Yet they did not, and almost all the servers allow pilot to one man vehicle that does not require crewman kit.
Devs limit crew role to 2+ players sq in hope to stop one man "Armor" vehicle because "most people complain about it", not because they "initially create crewman role with repair kits for sq with at least two men to use Armor which will heavily affect the team(which they did not)"

And you know what's illogical?
Vehicle does not function like a radio and CMD has to stay close to "HAB" to use CMD ability, instead of just one man a car away from the frontline

I can see you're missing the point. The whole narrative pushed by the studio and the majority of the community in the official server list is that Squad is all about "teamwork". Every single aspect of the game programming has always been about promoting teamwork and yet the game has been programmed to condone the exact opposite of teamwork. It was never the intention of the developers for a pilot to one man a Spandrel for an entire match in a locked squad so they could use the pilots repair toolbox when the vehicle gets damaged. This is an oversight that should be patched.

[RackEmUp187]

Just so you know a crewman has a repair kit too...maybe that's what you are getting confused they kinda have similar looking logos

[Chungal Grease]

Originally posted by RackEmUp187:

Just so you know a crewman has a repair kit too...maybe that's what you are getting confused they kinda have similar looking logos

You didn't even bother to read what I wrote. Go into the game. Lock a squad with just yourself and try to pick Lead Crewman. When you try to do this you'll hover your mouse above the Lead Crewman icon that is surrounded in red and then look at what the tooltip says: (LEAD CREWMAN More Squad/Teammates Required) Now hover your mouse over the Lead Pilot role. Now do you understand?

[Geebus]

I just wish that it was looked down upon to one man vehicles in any manner, whether or not they had the correct kit for it. I am tired of always seeing the ATGM vehicles or the other light vehicles always being used by a single dude.

People look badly at players when they do this kind of thing with tanks, IFV's, and APC's. Hell, even servers will punish players for doing this kind of thing. But, just because those light vehicles don't have the same ticket values, or maybe they don't have the same effect on the game, nobody gives a damn when RandomDude69420 one mans a Konkurs BRDM-2 the whole match.

It might just be me but the same principle should be applied across the board. Vehicles of any type should require teamwork of some manner to be used. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing a system implemented into the game where vehicles cannot leave the main base without the required number of crew members.

[Chungal Grease]

Originally posted by Geebus:

I just wish that it was looked down upon to one man vehicles in any manner, whether or not they had the correct kit for it. I am tired of always seeing the ATGM vehicles or the other light vehicles always being used by a single dude.

People look badly at players when they do this kind of thing with tanks, IFV's, and APC's. Hell, even servers will punish players for doing this kind of thing. But, just because those light vehicles don't have the same ticket values, or maybe they don't have the same effect on the game, nobody gives a damn when RandomDude69420 one mans a Konkurs BRDM-2 the whole match.

It might just be me but the same principle should be applied across the board. Vehicles of any type should require teamwork of some manner to be used. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing a system implemented into the game where vehicles cannot leave the main base without the required number of crew members.

This is exactly my point. For 5+ years now the official narrative pushed has always been "such and such game mechanic promotes teamwork because of reason x"...

But then you leave a loose end in the game programming to where you've got 3-4 guys in locked squads with Lead Pilot roles blitzing around the entire match in scout cars etc. This makes no sense within the paradigm of "promoting teamwork" Plus it pushes the squad count up to like 14-15 way past the numerals on the keypad. Any vehicle with a gun should require a crewman kit to drive.

[Seven]

I don't see how this would discourage people from soloing vics like brdms and matv and the thought of a pilot not being able to drive a basic vehicle just seems cheesy itself. People are going to solo these vics regardless if they have a repair kit or not.

I guess if it's such an issue then maybe give the pilot a tool kit that only works for helis?

[OutlawMG]

Originally posted by Geebus:

I just wish that it was looked down upon to one man vehicles in any manner

Yeah same.Of course those people always argue that they have an INSANE impact on games if they solo vics but in reality its often the opposite.

[Chungal Grease]

Originally posted by DSK Outlaw:

Originally posted by Geebus:

I just wish that it was looked down upon to one man vehicles in any manner

Yeah same.Of course those people always argue that they have an INSANE impact on games if they solo vics but in reality its often the opposite.

Even without the silly cheese Pilot kit I've personally soloed the Spandrel and/or TOWRAP and destroyed 4-5 helis, numerous tanks, light armored vehicles and several other support vehicles and never died. I've got recent scoreboard screenshots to back it up as well if you'd like to see them as well. Now just imagine what some younger player with much quicker reaction times than my old boomer brain could achieve. "Insane" impact on a match is an understatement when a single person removes 100+ tickets from the enemy team.

[RackEmUp187]

Originally posted by Zylfrax791:

Originally posted by RackEmUp187:

Just so you know a crewman has a repair kit too...maybe that's what you are getting confused they kinda have similar looking logos

You didn't even bother to read what I wrote. Go into the game. Lock a squad with just yourself and try to pick Lead Crewman. When you try to do this you'll hover your mouse above the Lead Crewman icon that is surrounded in red and then look at what the tooltip says: (LEAD CREWMAN More Squad/Teammates Required) Now hover your mouse over the Lead Pilot role. Now do you understand?

I thought you could pick a crew man lead role without people in your squad I misunderstood then. Well then yeah that needs to be fixed. I don't think many people know about it though

[Chungal Grease]

Please fix and patch this cheese OWI.

[Casual Sun]

wow, I always just assumed the pilot repair kit and the ground vehicle repair kit were different lol.

[Chungal Grease]

I simply can't understand why this didn't get removed in v2.0 or any of the subsequent hot patches. This is completely silly and illogical that a pilot can drive any weaponized vehicle.