Steam threatening to remove countless games from steam due to nudity

[Leon Quin]

Apparently Valve has send several game developers to change their game or have their game removed because it contains "nudity". It seems this mostly affects anime titles and visual novels. Games like Huniepop. Mutiniy!!, KarmaSutra, Tropical Liquor, and more are being affected by Valve's latest move. There are several counter-actions going on on reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/
If it will help, I don't know but most of us are adults here and I, for one, am not pleased with censorship. Even though I don't play anime games I think people should have the right to do so and this whole "quiet approval" Valve was doing before was alright for me.

I know this isn't the right forum to post this but Squad players tend to be mature and this is a good way to reach out.

[El_Cid]

This is actually a step in the right direction from Valve. I just hope they follow through. I don't play any ot these anime or visual novel games but there is absolutely no reason why nudity has to be included. Nudity doesn't "improve" the gameplay experience, and yes, I believe you are right when you say that most of us are adults here but that isn't a reason for putting nudity in a game. We already have enough problems with porn already. Also, censorship can be good in some circumstances. No one should have the right to put obscene stuff in anything, leastaways video games.

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Ursprungligen skrivet av Sis70spaceboy20 MLG:

This is actually a step in the right direction from Valve. I just hope they follow through. I don't play any ot these anime or visual novel games but there is absolutely no reason why nudity has to be included. Nudity doesn't "improve" the gameplay experience, and yes, I believe you are right when you say that most of us are adults here but that isn't a reason for putting nudity in a game. We already have enough problems with porn already. Also, censorship can be good in some circumstances. No one should have the right to put obscene stuff in anything, leastaways video games.

Erm yes they do have the right to put it in and it's the right of the consumer to choose to play them or not. I don't play these games because i hate weeaboo ♥♥♥♥ but if someone is into it, it's up to them. It's not illegal so why the censorship?

[El_Cid]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Dominick Maddox:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Sis70spaceboy20 MLG:

This is actually a step in the right direction from Valve. I just hope they follow through. I don't play any ot these anime or visual novel games but there is absolutely no reason why nudity has to be included. Nudity doesn't "improve" the gameplay experience, and yes, I believe you are right when you say that most of us are adults here but that isn't a reason for putting nudity in a game. We already have enough problems with porn already. Also, censorship can be good in some circumstances. No one should have the right to put obscene stuff in anything, leastaways video games.

Erm yes they do have the right to put it in and it's the right of the consumer to choose to play them or not. I don't play these games because i hate weeaboo ♥♥♥♥ but if someone is into it, it's up to them. It's not illegal so why the censorship?

I think the issue depends on what perspective you are looking at it from. I am looking at it from a moral perspective that comes from Catholicism and you are looking at it from a secular view.

[Lo Burattino]

i agree with this move, this is a videogame site, not a porn site, i hope they will do it and finally remove all those filthy weaboo stuff from my shop page
I dont care if many people like those games and it is just my opinion, that dirty stuff doesnt belong to steam

[Leon Quin]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Sis70spaceboy20 MLG:

I think the issue depends on what perspective you are looking at it from. I am looking at it from a moral perspective that comes from Catholicism and you are looking at it from a secular view.

The thing is, this is the internet, not America and certainly not Catholic, and while Valve is an American company a large portion of its playerbase isn't. Besides, religion shouldn't interfere with entertainment.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Lo Burattino:

i agree with this move, this is a videogame site, not a porn site, i hope they will do it and finally remove all those filthy weaboo stuff from my shop page
I dont care if many people like those games and it is just my opinion, that dirty stuff doesnt belong to steam

I don't play those games either but if some people do that's their choice. There are ways to customize your store page, I've added "anime" "visual novels and "VR" to my ignore list.
A lot of gamers are over 20, a lot of them are in their 30's so to suddenly ban nudity seems a bit unfair for all the adults.

To me the gaming scene needs a more mature section. It's still too much focused on dumb, pointless action.

Maturity doesn't mean we need nudity in games, it has more to do with certain subjects and how they're treated. I'd say Soma is a more mature game than Huniepop because it's a more thought-provoking game, same with Arma and Squad, they attract mature audience not because they contain nudity but because it treats a subject, war in this case, in a mature way.
However that doesn't mean we shouldn't have it, the Witcher series has nudity, Mass Effect has it, lots of games have it. It's just that they aim at anime, comedy or visual novels. That seems rather unfair.

Besides, if it's nudity that's the problemn, what's stopping them from telling the developers of The Witcher series to change their game or face removal? Do they get a pass because their game is really popular? That seems unfair.

Visual Novels might not even be games but there's far worse junk on Steam that gets dumped here to get a quick buck from unsuspecting people. At least some peopl enjoy playing the Visual Novel games.

[Major.Pain]

I kind of find it ridiculous that people want to censor the odd bit of cartoon flesh yet are happy and demand more visceral and realistic video game murders.
Really what is going to cause more harm to young minds a cartoon boob or the sense of holy f*ck were all getting blown to pieces from that mortor barrage.
Have age restrictions yes and apply it to cartoon boobs and realistic based FPS games but don't remove them after all those that show horror or realistic violence are more harmfull to impressionable young minds than showing them what the opposite sex look like under their clothes lol.

[El_Cid]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Leon Quin:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Sis70spaceboy20 MLG:

I think the issue depends on what perspective you are looking at it from. I am looking at it from a moral perspective that comes from Catholicism and you are looking at it from a secular view.

The thing is, this is the internet, not America and certainly not Catholic, and while Valve is an American company a large portion of its playerbase isn't. Besides, religion shouldn't interfere with entertainment.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Lo Burattino:

i agree with this move, this is a videogame site, not a porn site, i hope they will do it and finally remove all those filthy weaboo stuff from my shop page
I dont care if many people like those games and it is just my opinion, that dirty stuff doesnt belong to steam

I don't play those games either but if some people do that's their choice. There are ways to customize your store page, I've added "anime" "visual novels and "VR" to my ignore list.
A lot of gamers are over 20, a lot of them are in their 30's so to suddenly ban nudity seems a bit unfair for all the adults.

To me the gaming scene needs a more mature section. It's still too much focused on dumb, pointless action.

Maturity doesn't mean we need nudity in games, it has more to do with certain subjects and how they're treated. I'd say Soma is a more mature game than Huniepop because it's a more thought-provoking game, same with Arma and Squad, they attract mature audience not because they contain nudity but because it treats a subject, war in this case, in a mature way.
However that doesn't mean we shouldn't have it, the Witcher series has nudity, Mass Effect has it, lots of games have it. It's just that they aim at anime, comedy or visual novels. That seems rather unfair.

Besides, if it's nudity that's the problemn, what's stopping them from telling the developers of The Witcher series to change their game or face removal? Do they get a pass because their game is really popular? That seems unfair.

Visual Novels might not even be games but there's far worse junk on Steam that gets dumped here to get a quick buck from unsuspecting people. At least some peopl enjoy playing the Visual Novel games.

You're right that this is not a predominantly Catholic site, but nudity in no way is entertainment. Hopefully if it gets removed than it will force devs to think about what entertainment is.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Major.Pain:

I kind of find it ridiculous that people want to censor the odd bit of cartoon flesh yet are happy and demand more visceral and realistic video game murders.
Really what is going to cause more harm to young minds a cartoon boob or the sense of holy f*ck were all getting blown to pieces from that mortor barrage.
Have age restrictions yes and apply it to cartoon boobs and realistic based FPS games but don't remove them after all those that show horror or realistic violence are more harmfull to impressionable young minds than showing them what the opposite sex look like under their clothes lol.

I don't think that the people who are against nudity in games are the ones demanding hardcore visceral deaths in them either. Nudity and Gore are both electronic "drugs" that get people hooked on them so that they'll shut up and stop questioning the powers that be.

[Major.Pain]

^^
Point being its not about removing T*ts or Gore its about allowing people the choice providing they are not children who could be harmed by such images, the same way that it is done in other print media, movies ect.

Obviously some countries choose to ban x or y based on that society percieved religous ethics or doctrines ect but i don't believe in blanket censorship i believe in freedom of choice.

As an adult i should make the decision of what i put into my body or my mind not some arbitrary person or entity after all Mum decided what was best for us all as children and as we got older we were trusted to make more decisions as we matured, hence some age restriction is the right way to go.

To be honest if these cartoon nude games are on Steam or not is not the point(i don't own or consume them anyway) its the censorship i do not like in general and blanket censorship like this is cancer which does nothing for anybodys growth or understanding.

Valve should concerntrate on removing the asset flips or cash ins instead of the chance of glimpsing a side b**b imho

I remember when i was a kid playing Strip Poker and Leasure Suit Larry on my C64 harmless enough just a bit of a giggle is all you saw more in the daily paper ffs lol.

[JRex]

Its a good idea, but i would say just make an option in game to censor it. That way its the players choice in the end.

[Yes]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Sis70spaceboy20 MLG:

This is actually a step in the right direction from Valve. I just hope they follow through. I don't play any ot these anime or visual novel games but there is absolutely no reason why nudity has to be included. Nudity doesn't "improve" the gameplay experience, and yes, I believe you are right when you say that most of us are adults here but that isn't a reason for putting nudity in a game. We already have enough problems with porn already. Also, censorship can be good in some circumstances. No one should have the right to put obscene stuff in anything, leastaways video games.

now let's swap the word 'nudity' with 'any form of violence' and realize how dumb what you said is

[El_Cid]

Ursprungligen skrivet av RvN | Valkyr:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Sis70spaceboy20 MLG:

This is actually a step in the right direction from Valve. I just hope they follow through. I don't play any ot these anime or visual novel games but there is absolutely no reason why nudity has to be included. Nudity doesn't "improve" the gameplay experience, and yes, I believe you are right when you say that most of us are adults here but that isn't a reason for putting nudity in a game. We already have enough problems with porn already. Also, censorship can be good in some circumstances. No one should have the right to put obscene stuff in anything, leastaways video games.

now let's swap the word 'nudity' with 'any form of violence' and realize how dumb what you said is

Actually most forms of violence in games are bad because it normalizes such behavior and people lose their normal reaction to it. Also you haven't proved that nudity is an essential part of gameplay which greatly improves user experience.

[Major.Pain]

Nudity doesn't have to be an essential part of the gameplay or even a minor part of it games are entertainment, art, an experience, a story or an expression and open to the interpretation of those who consume them.

Whatever content is it regardless of medium the descripton/package should be clear so the consumer is made aware before hand and it then be left to them to decide if its the experience he/she wishes to have(with age restriction for certain content obviously to protect vulnerable people from it where appropriate).

Society is dosed up on fear propaganda 24/7, terrorism, potentially Nuclear War, the Reds are coming ect, does it make people less afraid?
People are scared of there own shadow these days.

What i am getting at is you step back from something and view it with some perspective, for what it is and by adulthood you are deemed to have developed the skills to have some perspective and be trusted to make those decisions for yourself and in even more critically your own children.

Who the f*ck thinks they are arragont enough to know what is better entertainment for me than me??

[Vekkulious]

I agree with Sis70spaceboy20 [MLG], while we are at it lets remove all games containing violence and killing(fifth commandment Thou shalt not kill), all nasty scary stuff. lets make Steam a fun and safe place for everyone! Jeesus take the wheel and remove all those bad games.

[Yes]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Sis70spaceboy20 MLG:

Actually most forms of violence in games are bad because it normalizes such behavior and people lose their normal reaction to it.

oh, so you're on of those guys. nvm then, hf

[Major.Pain]

Exactly if your gonna go down the route of removing a Boob or two you got to remove all forms of violence, graphic violence, horror, offensive ideas ect ect.
Qauke Champions II, run around a padded pastel coloured arena playing tic lol.