What is Japan's obsession with Nobunaga?

[SolviteSekai]

Like seriously. Otaku putting out like 15 games and 6 anime about him in the last year alone.

[SolviteSekai]

Originally posted by WarriorOfJustice:

What is our obsession with Robin Hood? King Arthur? Richard the Lionheart? Every country has different historical figures that they look up to. In Romania they look up to Vlad the Impaler as a national hero. In America, Washington, Lincoln?

Yeah all that one robin hood movie in the last 10 years.

[Burmecian Rat]

Hideyoshi did the most to unify Japan IMO. Besides the usual conquering he managed to get most of the Clans to finally stop fighting each other and go launch an invasion of Korea instead. When he died the country sunk right back into massive civil war.

[Francis_Mallman]

The story of Oda's rise to power is fascinating.

One stormy night, Oda and his retainers were camped out near Oda's village, when word reached camp, via scout messenger, that a powerful daimyo was marching his army of ten thousand samurai through Oda territory.

Oda, a young man at the time, was enraged by this - the daimyo in question had not asked permission to pass through his lands, and had even established camp for the night.

Oda immediately order all two thousand of his retainers up onto their mounts - they would ride out and immeidately correct the insult.

Oda's advisors all begged him not to go, knowing it would be the death of him and his two-thousand men. He immediately ordered all four advisors to commit sepukku, saying it was not the way of the warrior to be cowardly - not even when the numbers were completely against you.

After a few hours of riding, Oda and his men reached the warlord's camp.

Incredibly, the ten thousand samurai had been celebrating an earlier victory, and most were besotted from having drunk too much rice wine. They were in no condition to fight, and when Oda realized this, he immediately flanked in from the rear and began a full-scale slaughter, even though he was outnumbered ten to one.

During the battle (which lasted no more than ten minutes), an Oda scout managed to spot the daimyo in question.

Oda immediately ordered two samurai to ride in with pole-arms. The first samurai was attacked and killed. But the second samurai actually made it through and impaled the warlord right in front of his men.

Seeing their daimyo go down, the remaining samurai began to flee the field. Thousands were killed from behind as they fled.

The next morning, Oda immediately marched on the daimyo's lands, and slaughterd all his people, and claimed the fertile lands for himself.

Thus it began, Oda's rise to power.

Subsequently, he subjugated province after province through bribery, negotiation, and ruthless military force, eventually conquering two-thirds of Japan.

Ultimately, he was betrayed at a small inn, many years later, by one of his generals, who knew he was travelling for speed with only ten men in his retainer. The general arrived on horseback, and personally ordered Oda to throw down his swords and step outside. When Oda refused they decided to set the inn on fire.

Smoke began to billow from the building - yet Oda never came out.

The general sent a scout inside to report what was happening. It's said that the scout made his way to an inner chamber, and as the flames poured down from the rafters, he looked across the room and saw Oda cross-legged on the floor, plunging a dagger into his belly, committing sepukku, as a true warrior should.

[SolviteSekai]

The best part of all this, is most of the ♥♥♥♥ you guys claim is Nobunaga's story is just ♥♥♥♥ you read/watched in anime and Koei games.

[Francis_Mallman]

Oda's successor, of course, was Toyotomi Hideyoshi, also known as The Peasant General, also known as The Taiko.

Hideyoshi would've become Shogun, but was inelligible, because he was born of non-regal blood.

This paved the way for Tokugawa Ieyasu to claim Japan for himself - he become the first Shogun ever to rule a completely unified Japan. The Tokugawa Shogunate lasted more than two hundred and fifty years.

It's said, by the way, that Oda Nobunaga pounded the rice, and that Toyotomi Hideyoshi baked the cake... and that Tokugawa Ieyasu ate it! LOL!

[Noob Van Noob]

Originally posted by SolviteSekai:

The best part of all this, is most of the ♥♥♥♥ you guys claim is Nobunaga's story is just ♥♥♥♥ you read/watched in anime and Koei games.

Koei games (their ambition series, not warriors) probably have the most accurate telling of sengoku history when compared to other games or anime, but even then its still dramatized to high heaven lol. anyone interested in actual history should check out the King of Zippangu tv series. you can find it on youtube and is a historical drama that focuses on Nobunaga

[fodder]

i wouldn't say it's the most accurate. koei takes a fair bit of liberty too. there were lots of other similar themed strat games back when (for japanese pc anyway).

[Nefaro]

Takeda Shingen seems to be the other widely popularized one.

I'm more curious about many of the other daimyos whom we hear less about. There are quite a few interesting ones, in actual historical terms, from that extensive period of almost constant strife. Made more cutthroat for happening in a feudal system.

[StevoTheOutlaw]

There has been a ♥♥♥♥ load more Robin Hood stuff than one movie in the last ten years, just google robin hood- There was a long running tv show for starters. We have historical figures which we are obsessed with, every country does - Robin Hood, King Arthur, Richard the Lionheart - these people constantly appear in media, be it game, print, television. They are recurring characters because of their historical value to British audiences.

[Lie Chen Zhou]

Originally posted by Motrini:

Originally posted by Z-Prodigy:

I always thought that Ieyasu should be more celebrated, but everyone loves a badboy eccentric type. :)

Nobunaga is traditionally the bad guy like Cao Cao, his reputation has actually been improved a lot by Koei games.
Ieyasu gets much hate for starting the Tokugawa shogunate, which later became a symbol of corruption and oppression

but Cao Cao is only evil in the novel...historically his army can't even sack villages for food like what normal army do

Nobunaga is an eccentric guy, can we say he is like Napoleon ?

[Francis_Mallman]

Yeah, honestly, I'm not sure that Nobunaga IS considered a 'bad guy'. He was the initiator of unification, which ultimately led to the Tokugawa Shogunate, which is considered to be a time of great prosperity for the Japanese.

[Francis_Mallman]

If there was a villain, I'd say it was Ishida Mitsunari, the scheming warlord who beseiged Fushimi Castle before Sekigahara.

[General Plastro]

Originally posted by SolviteSekai:

Like seriously. Otaku putting out like 15 games and 6 anime about him in the last year alone.

Genghis Khan, Atilla the Hun, Frederic Barbarossa,Richard The Lionheart, Julius Cesar, Augustus Cesar, Napoleon Bonaparte,Joseph Stalin, Henry VIII, Adolf Hitler, Benito Bussolini, George Washington, Abraham Lincon, Simon Bolivar, Mao Tse Tung...

Nobunaga is just among the collective names everyone knows around the world, not really sure why the OP is making such a huge fuss about it.

[Blahto Blahtoto]

Originally posted by General Plastro:

Originally posted by SolviteSekai:

Like seriously. Otaku putting out like 15 games and 6 anime about him in the last year alone.

Genghis Khan, Atilla the Hun, Frederic Barbarossa,Richard The Lionheart, Julius Cesar, Augustus Cesar, Napoleon Bonaparte,Joseph Stalin, Henry VIII, Adolf Hitler, Benito Bussolini, George Washington, Abraham Lincon, Simon Bolivar, Mao Tse Tung...

Nobunaga is just among the collective names everyone knows around the world, not really sure why the OP is making such a huge fuss about it.

What's an OP?

[ChosunSamurai]

OP is the person who started the thread