NOTE: HAS BEEN REMOVED - was: Gamesight in this product (Spyware)

[Golroc]

As of today, I rechecked, and the Gamesight dll is no longer present. The game also does not crash for me anymore.

Thank you for removing it, although it should not have been there in the first place.

Original Post:

While looking in the error log (as I crash when I try to start a game), I can see you are running Gamesight. This is a product like Red Shell, which spies on me and records a "conversion". This is in violation of GDPR without active opt-in. Please disable this at your earliest convience.

I understand that you like to know if your marketing campaigns work, but doing so by spying on your customers without their consent is not the right way to do so.

See the backlash against Red Shell.

[VenerableDreadslacks]

It's triggering an anti spyware response from my antimalware.

[Strongest Tomato]

+1.

[strike478]

What an unpleasant surprise.

[strike478]

I hate to post under post but...
+1.

[Hendrin]

+1, Please remove it.

[Sabi The Worst Player Ever]

For hell sake, can I actually play ANY games anymore without running into some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥?

[spoo]

Coolio

[John Josep Jingleheimer Schmidt]

as long as you dont have nothing ilegal in your computer, and it doesnt screw anything on our computers, i can consent it. there should be an eula somewhere that you accept the use of redshell on this game, and you can disable it or enable it at will.

[tai_cl]

Thanks for the headup, OP. Though you are too kind to call it a product like Red Shell. If the link below is correct, then Gamesight is Red Shell.

https://blog.redshell.io/gamesight-track-levels-up-and-becomes-red-shell-187c28f00b7c

I considered Amplitude to be a foremost 4x developer for the past few years. But this failure to understand privacy and respect privacy is going to make me re-evaluate my support for them. What a bummer.

[John Josep Jingleheimer Schmidt]

Originally posted by tai_cl:

Thanks for the headup, OP. Though you are too kind to call it a product like Red Shell. If the link below is correct, then Gamesight is Red Shell.

https://blog.redshell.io/gamesight-track-levels-up-and-becomes-red-shell-187c28f00b7c

I considered Amplitude to be a foremost 4x developer for the past few years. But this failure to understand privacy and respect privacy is going to make me re-evaluate my support for them. What a bummer.

this is dumb... we are talking about a tool that QUOTE: searches where the players are from, to benchmark sellings and marketing :QUOTE this is not DENUVO so quit it, and stop whit the private profiles. make your profile public or go home.

[Simple Kind of Man]

Originally posted by Grumpy old man:

Originally posted by tai_cl:

Thanks for the headup, OP. Though you are too kind to call it a product like Red Shell. If the link below is correct, then Gamesight is Red Shell.

https://blog.redshell.io/gamesight-track-levels-up-and-becomes-red-shell-187c28f00b7c

I considered Amplitude to be a foremost 4x developer for the past few years. But this failure to understand privacy and respect privacy is going to make me re-evaluate my support for them. What a bummer.

this is dumb... we are talking about a tool that QUOTE: searches where the players are from, to benchmark sellings and marketing :QUOTE this is not DENUVO so quit it, and stop whit the private profiles. make your profile public or go home.

[Red Star, Blood Moon]

Originally posted by Grumpy old man:

as long as you dont have nothing ilegal in your computer, and it doesnt screw anything on our computers, i can consent it. there should be an eula somewhere that you accept the use of redshell on this game, and you can disable it or enable it at will.

I would like to install a camera in your bathroom. As long as you're not doing anything like shooting heroin in there you shouldn't have a problem with it. Also if I sell any of that information that's my business.

[tai_cl]

Originally posted by Grumpy old man:

Originally posted by tai_cl:

Thanks for the headup, OP. Though you are too kind to call it a product like Red Shell. If the link below is correct, then Gamesight is Red Shell.

https://blog.redshell.io/gamesight-track-levels-up-and-becomes-red-shell-187c28f00b7c

I considered Amplitude to be a foremost 4x developer for the past few years. But this failure to understand privacy and respect privacy is going to make me re-evaluate my support for them. What a bummer.

this is dumb... we are talking about a tool that QUOTE: searches where the players are from, to benchmark sellings and marketing :QUOTE this is not DENUVO so quit it, and stop whit the private profiles. make your profile public or go home.

What the hell are you talking about? We are talking about Gamesight and Red Shell here. If you have any counterpoint to those, then feel free to elaborate your points. If you think that the link that I've shared is inappropriate / irrelevant, then feel free to point it out again.

What does any of the above got to do with my profile being private? If there's anything, it's exactly because I care of privacy that I set my profile private. There are peoples who do care about privacy and we don't need to bare our shirts for everyone to see just so that some developers could sell a few more copies of games.

If a game cannot sell due to peoples setting their profiles to private, then don't you think the fault is laying somewhere else? Creating more and more invasive profiling tools is not the solution. From DRM to rootkit to spyware, the games industry was littered by plenty of boogie man attempts to increase sales that ended up harming the customer. This latest tool above is nothing more than another one in those long lists no matter how much we try to downplay its harm.

I've been enjoying the Endless series a lot and I've gotten a lot of value out of my money. And I do wish that Amplitude could continue to stay successful, so I could continue to play Endless Space III, IV, V; Endless Legend V, VI, VII; etc in the future.

But we need to learn how to call a spade a spade. Don't sacrifice the privacy of your customers at the altar of another few more sales. It's just not worth it.

@Grumpy Old Man, feel free to convince me to change my mind again. I'll tried to keep my mind as open as possible.

[Simple Kind of Man]

its the spys man there going to get you

[Zzyl_tsw]

Originally posted by Grumpy old man:

this is dumb... we are talking about a tool that QUOTE: searches where the players are from, to benchmark sellings and marketing :QUOTE this is not DENUVO so quit it, and stop whit the private profiles. make your profile public or go home.

Well, I do not like spyware/marketingware & so on.

If it ONLY checks in which country you are, I would say I might accept (may be usefull to know if they need to translate in other language for example)

But if it can pinpoint my city/adress and more : I am totaly against it. (well, even if amazon can clearly know where they deliver all the stuff they sell xD)