Ooohhhhh dayum

[Ry]

never knew about this. Whitemage staffs(not wands, staffs) have the second highest auto attack per instance next to Warrior's axes.

Kinda blow my mind knowing that the wooden staff hits harder than so many lethal weapons in the game. #knowsomethingneweveryday #whitemageswag

[defective pancake]

thanks for sharing.

[Gabby]

Weapon Damage for healers and mages directly reflects in their spell damage and healing. That's why it's so high.

[Big Boom Boom]

Originally posted by Seraphna:

Weapon Damage for healers and mages directly reflects in their spell damage and healing. That's why it's so high.

Er no, Auto Attack damage is based on the auto attack speed, the slower the speed the higher the attack. It averages out the DPS for Auto-attack as the same across all weapons, because SE wants balance. It's like the DPS stat on weapons in the old 1.X

[Ry]

yeah. i think the DPS for all weapons are 19.33 per second

[Gabby]

Originally posted by Big Boom Boom:

Originally posted by Seraphna:

Weapon Damage for healers and mages directly reflects in their spell damage and healing. That's why it's so high.

Er no, Auto Attack damage is based on the auto attack speed, the slower the speed the higher the attack. It averages out the DPS for Auto-attack as the same across all weapons, because SE wants balance. It's like the DPS stat on weapons in the old 1.X

Er, yes, please do research on the subject. I'm talking about weapon's individual damage. If you bother to read the stats on mage weapons, they say "Magic Damage" instead of normal "Damage" on DoW weapons. I'm not discussing DPS, I'm discussing Damage, it's a stat.

Mostly to clarify for him why WHM have a high "auto attack" on their Staves.

[Laurentious]

Good to know, now if I ran out of mana I will smack the living hell out of my enemies (and then die because of it lol)

[Big Boom Boom]

Originally posted by Seraphna:

Originally posted by Big Boom Boom:

Er no, Auto Attack damage is based on the auto attack speed, the slower the speed the higher the attack. It averages out the DPS for Auto-attack as the same across all weapons, because SE wants balance. It's like the DPS stat on weapons in the old 1.X

Er, yes, please do research on the subject. I'm talking about weapon's individual damage. If you bother to read the stats on mage weapons, they say "Magic Damage" instead of normal "Damage" on DoW weapons. I'm not discussing DPS, I'm discussing Damage, it's a stat.

Mostly to clarify for him why WHM have a high "auto attack" on their Staves.

No, you are getting confused. WHM do auto attack, just attack like a melee and don't cast spell. You probably didn't play 1.0 where there are Matk and Patk on the same weapon. This is a byproduct of that.

In 1.2 or 1.3 when they released Job they add DPS on the weapon, which is now Auto Attack stat.

This was explained on the official forum sometimes when ARR was in alpha.

[Gabby]

I'm aware they do auto attack, which is not a stat. I'm talking about weapon damage. I played back then, however I don't see the relevance NOW.

[Big Boom Boom]

If you search the offical forum, the alpha development of ARR explained this.

Auto Attack value / Delay = DPS. This DPS value should be the same across all class or at least class type. This is how SE balance the auto attack DPS. This is also why they remove the DPS value on weapon from 1.0 using the new system. In 1.0 DPS value actually affect SKILL damage and not AUTO ATTACK.

This is NOT Matk on the caster/healer, that is a separate stat. You are confused Auto Attack value and ATK/MATK value, they exist separately on the weapon stat screen, check it.

It's getting a bit more complicated on this how your auto attack is not 100 potency. Slower auto attack can get more than 100 potency, while faster auto attack is less than 100 potency. Usually 100 potency is across 3 seconds "tick", which is what SE use as determination for time unit.

P.S: Skill speed does not affect auto attack.

[Gabby]

You're fighting a strangely silly battle because you're trying to explain a completely unrelated thing from what I'm talking about. So I'm going to just stop talking to you now since you seem to need to have an argument with someone and don't really want to even discuss the topic of the thread.

[Big Boom Boom]

Originally posted by Seraphna:

You're fighting a strangely silly battle because you're trying to explain a completely unrelated thing from what I'm talking about. So I'm going to just stop talking to you now since you seem to need to have an argument with someone and don't really want to even discuss the topic of the thread.

Did you read the OP? He asked why WHM weapon has high Auto Attack. It is not related to MATK value, it is because the new balance system that SE has added is that Auto ATK / Delay = DPS and this DPS value is the same across the board. Did you check WHM Delay?

That Auto Attack stat has absolutely nothing related to casting spells.

You are incredibly wrong, caster/healer MATK is much higher than ATK on melee/ranged/tank. 100 Potency for WHM/BLM/SCH/SMN is close to 150 Potency for Melee/ranged/tank. This is again not related to why WHM weapon has high Auto Atk. If you want to check, go back to lower level WHM weapon, see the big difference between WHM 1h (wand) and WHM 2h (staff) Auto Attk stat. Look at their Delay.

http://xivdb.com/?item/7818/Tidal-Wave-Wand
MATK: 72
Auto Atk: 41.81
Delay: 2.56
DPS: 16.33

http://xivdb.com/?item/2053/Allagan-Cane
MATK: 71
Auto Atk: 52.64
Delay: 3.36
DPS: 15.67

Explain in your own words, why does Allagan Cane has much higher Auto Attack than Tidal Wave Wand? Tidal Wave Wand has more MATK.

http://xivdb.com/?item/7816/Tidal-Wave-Harpoon
Auto Atk: 47.04
Delay: 2.88
DPS: 16.33

LOOK AT THE DPS, IT HAS EXACT SAME DPS AS TIDAL WAVE WAND.
ALL WEAPONS IN THE SAME ILVL TIER HAS EXACT SAME DPS, AUTO ATTACK AND DELAY DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS AND NOTHING ELSE.

Savvy? I've played this game since 1.0 beta nonstop, followed through the development of ARR, this was clearly explained by the devs in ARR alpha state.