I hate online games that require a subscription AND an initial purchase.

[Rookie 1978]

That doesn't seem fair to me at all. I have to pay to get the game, and then keep paying to.. keep playing? A genre of gaming that's notorious for boring, dull, grindy gameplay? Someone tell me why this game is worth it, because my friend plays it and keeps trying to get me into it, but i'm just not seeing the worth. Does being a big Final Fantasy fan have anything to do with enjoying the game, or is it unnecessary?

[causality]

ランス님이 먼저 게시:

hagare님이 먼저 게시:

Block and move on

*shrug* Not like steam forums are over active. Its something to do to kill time.

I got bored reading their 'COPE LMAO' spam, they're actually the first person I ever had to and that's saying a lot. At least our usual unnamed residents put more effort into trolling that is worth engaging.

[ZDuB]

John Linux님이 먼저 게시:

ZDuB님이 먼저 게시:

ya i guess reading is hard for you because it says "ongoing" under RELEASE date - plus you can't follow the discussion.. meaning ...it is CONTENT...and the software needs updated to RELEASE the content on specific dates

it's got to hurt when your own link has been thrown back in your face

The software only needs to be updated because the studio have made some dodgy decisions. You're flexing something that comes from a technical limitation.

Again, ask anyone what a content update is and I'd bet you'd see the words "New" and "Content" in the same sentence together. When you think of an update you think of new content. Not the same old rehashed events that are only provided via an update because of technical limitations.

Come on dude. You're not stretch armstrong, stop reaching so far.

Can you not read either? see the word "NEW" in this CONTENT?

Upcoming content
Season Twenty-six: Stormfall

Heart of the Storm event - June 22 to July 22 [3]
Grand Prize: Kuumaarke Visionary Ground Set & Mirror Lukari costume - 40Appointment Progress


Terran Gambit, Pt. III
NEW mission: Blue Shift - 2Appointment Progress
NEW mission: The Calling - 2Appointment Progress
NEW ground TFO: Forged in Fire- 2Appointment Progress
Terran Gambit, Pt. I-II
Firewall - 2Appointment Progress
Red Shift - 2Appointment Progress
TFO: Operation: Wolf- 2Appointment Progress
TFO: Iuppiter Iratus- 2Appointment Progress
TFO: Counterpoint- 2Appointment Progress

revamped 2409 Federation tutorial
California-class released [10]

[hagare]

The Mayor of Murder Town님이 먼저 게시:

John Linux님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah, requiring an update to enable content sounds more like a limitation of the game more than anything.

Especially content that doesn't add anything new to the game itself. I played the Risa event when it came around a few years in a row, it was exactly the same every time.

Even Genshin updates their event :p

[Oberon]

ZDuB님이 먼저 게시:

John Linux님이 먼저 게시:

The software only needs to be updated because the studio have made some dodgy decisions. You're flexing something that comes from a technical limitation.

Again, ask anyone what a content update is and I'd bet you'd see the words "New" and "Content" in the same sentence together. When you think of an update you think of new content. Not the same old rehashed events that are only provided via an update because of technical limitations.

Come on dude. You're not stretch armstrong, stop reaching so far.

Can you not read either? see the word "NEW" in this CONTENT?

Season Twenty-six: Stormfall

Heart of the Storm event - June 22 to July 22 [3]
Grand Prize: Kuumaarke Visionary Ground Set & Mirror Lukari costume - 40Appointment Progress


Terran Gambit, Pt. III
NEW mission: Blue Shift - 2Appointment Progress
NEW mission: The Calling - 2Appointment Progress
NEW ground TFO: Forged in Fire- 2Appointment Progress
Terran Gambit, Pt. I-II
Firewall - 2Appointment Progress
Red Shift - 2Appointment Progress
TFO: Operation: Wolf- 2Appointment Progress
TFO: Iuppiter Iratus- 2Appointment Progress
TFO: Counterpoint- 2Appointment Progress

revamped 2409 Federation tutorial
California-class released [10]

No one was saying the entire list you posted wasn't new content. The problem was half the list is content that was already in the game.

[Linyos Torvoltos]

ZDuB님이 먼저 게시:

Can you not read either?

Oh yeah I can read. I was reading the parts were you kept on trying to justify counting repeated content as a metric of "What game has added the most content post launch".

No one is saying the content that is actually new, isn't new content.

People are arguing against the "Repeated content counts because it has to be added via an update. Making it a content update" point you're making.

Point being that repeated content doesn't really count after it's first release, because it's not new content after that. It's not really an update. They're just using old content that already exists. Nothing is really updated when you put it that way, is it?

It stops being a content update, since it's content that's already been used and already exists. The only reason it needs an update is because the studio behind the game haven't set the game up to handle switching it in like every other MMO does. If it weren't for the way they designed the game, it probably wouldn't need an update to enable the content would it?

Sure the game gets updated to add it in. But it doesn't fit the general understanding of the phrase "Content Update" because that phrase is generally used to refer to new content being added to the game. Not old content being reactivated that requires said content to be redownloaded due to limitations.

[Sunny]

oh my god you guys are bored. where is bobby. we need bobby to come back.

this isn't even low effort nonsense. that would imply any effort is being put in at all.

[ZDuB]

John Linux님이 먼저 게시:

ZDuB님이 먼저 게시:

Can you not read either?

Oh yeah I can read. I was reading the parts were you kept on trying to justify counting repeated content as a metric of "What game has added the most content post launch".

No one is saying the content that is actually new, isn't new content.

People are arguing against the "Repeated content counts because it has to be added via an update. Making it a content update" point you're making.

Point being that that content doesn't really count after it's first release, because it's not new content after that.

It stops being a content update, since it's content that's already been used. The only reason it needs an update is because the studio behind the game haven't set the game up to handle switching it in like every other MMO does.

Ive already said exclude all the repeat content. So count it only once and STO still has had a higher frequency of content updates than FF post launch.

COPE

[Oberon]

ZDuB님이 먼저 게시:

Ive already said exclude all the repeat content.

Which the list you posted earlier didn't do.

[Rookie 1978]

ZDuB님이 먼저 게시:

evil spooky man님이 먼저 게시:

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sure man

preciate it my man

[ZDuB]

The Mayor of Murder Town님이 먼저 게시:

ZDuB님이 먼저 게시:

Ive already said exclude all the repeat content.

Which the list you posted earlier didn't do.

? after it was pointed out to me that there was repeat content on that list i then said to exclude it. So count it only once and STO still has had a higher frequency of content updates than FF post launch.

COPE

[ZDuB]

evil spooky man님이 먼저 게시:

ZDuB님이 먼저 게시:

sure man

preciate it my man

no prob i love watching For Honor PvP vids

[Linyos Torvoltos]

ZDuB님이 먼저 게시:

? after it was pointed out to me that there was repeat content on that list i then said to exclude it. So count it only once and STO still has had a higher frequency of content updates than FF post launch.

COPE

Come to think of it. Doesn't the quality of the updates matter more than the amount?

A game could have 100 updates and they're all trash while a game could have 5 and be godlike While another can have 100 and have a range of trash to really good ones.

I mean ♥♥♥♥, Runescape probably has more updates than both games put together given it's 20+ years running. If we want to use the quantity of updates as a "This MMO is the best ever" metric. Runescape has pretty much every MMO beat. ♥♥♥♥♥ stood the test of time.

So what better way to gauge a games quality than the player count? I imagine the better game would pull in more players, right?

So someone go figure out an average playercount between the two games and there we go.

Both games are roughly the same age so they would be subject to the same player trends when it comes to a games age and both have had the same room to improve and all that.

[ZDuB]

John Linux님이 먼저 게시:

ZDuB님이 먼저 게시:

? after it was pointed out to me that there was repeat content on that list i then said to exclude it. So count it only once and STO still has had a higher frequency of content updates than FF post launch.

COPE

Come to think of it. Doesn't the quality of the updates matter more than the amount?

A game could have 100 updates and they're all trash while a game could have 5 and be godlike While another can have 100 and have a range of trash to really good ones.

So what better way to gauge a games quality than the player count? I imagine the better game would pull in more players.

So someone go figure out the average playercount between the two games and there we go.

i agree quality matters but it wasn't part of the original claim or argument, and FF is the better game regardless of player count

[Frost]

ZDuB님이 먼저 게시:

John Linux님이 먼저 게시:

Come to think of it. Doesn't the quality of the updates matter more than the amount?

A game could have 100 updates and they're all trash while a game could have 5 and be godlike While another can have 100 and have a range of trash to really good ones.

So what better way to gauge a games quality than the player count? I imagine the better game would pull in more players.

So someone go figure out the average playercount between the two games and there we go.

i agree quality matters but it wasn't part of the original claim or argument, and FF is the better game regardless of player count

You're in a thread that is based on the argument about if a subscription is worth it or not.

Quality ABSOLUTELY matters in this context. Those goalposts aren't even on the field anymore, are they?

[ZDuB]

John Linux님이 먼저 게시:

I mean ♥♥♥♥, Runescape probably has more updates than both games put together given it's 20+ years running. If we want to use the quantity of updates as a "This MMO is the best ever" metric. Runescape has pretty much every MMO beat. ♥♥♥♥♥ stood the test of time.

so the original claim was not that the quantity of updates is a metric on the best MMO

it was that FF has a higher frequency of content updates than any other MMO in existence

So thanks for adding Runescape to the discussion to refute that claim