This game seriously needs a Anti-Cheat

[Korha4X]

Oh my god how this game has changed throughout the years, especially with the use of Dalamud.

Gone are the days where relics and rare drops matter. Want your friend to see you with that shiny Eureka armor or cool weapon? Why grind for it for 50 hours when you can just slap it on with a plugin.

If you play on Balmung like me, it matters even less because if you don't look like a IMVU character and is ready to get down and dirty then most of the community on your world will not even talk to you. They might approach you, but if you do not have a "Mare" to give them or if you don't look IMVU or Second Life enough, they immediately cut ties with you.

Now I know Balmung has a reputation, but come on. It's the only world that doesn't feel dead yet the only people you meet seems to be refugee's from IMVU and Second Life and people who couldn't afford VRchat.


But, this isn't why I say the game is in need of a anti-cheat. Now, not only is it visually disrupting the game. But you now have FULLY AUTOMATED ROTATIONS, CONTENT CLEARS AND AOE AVOIDANCE.

You don't need a bot software, you don't need to pay money or anything. You can literally snatch Dalamud for free and then set up so you automatically dodge mechanics, automatically perform the combat rotation for you, automate the Trust system and automatically run dungeons with them to level and gear without even being at your computer. All for free and with no consequence what so ever.
The plugins even support AI SUPPORTED AOE AVOIDANCE, MEANING YOU HAVE A LITERAL AI IN REAL TIME WORKING ON AVOIDING MECHANICS FOR YOU?!?!?!?

I also tried ocean fishing the other day, on BALMUNG of all things. A place not known for content focused people, yet the boat was filled with people even people in my friendslist who did not speak or interact with anyone. They ran straight to 1 spot and started fishing. I whispered to my friend but no response. And everytime I stood inside any of them while they were fishing, they would automatically stop fishing and move a few meters then fish again. Like some automatic "dont stand near players" reaction. And how do I know they were bots? Right after the ocean fishing ends they would all B line it to the limsa inn and sit there as seen through the player search for 2 hours isolated from other players before then magically all flowing out of the inn and back to the docks 2 minutes before the new boat would start.

This is absolutely stupid.

This game used to be great, but now all I find are botters, people looking like they are from second life or IMVU and almost no content online showing the actual game itself without tons of mods on screen except for streamers as those are the only people who seems to get punished for using these stuff.

I even noticed while leveling that mobs were getting killed out of nowhere, and it turns out there were ♥♥♥♥♥ lalafells underneath the map farming fates in peace while being unable to take damage??????

wtf is the point of playing this game at this point, its more a plugin heaven than a actual game at this point.

I tried WoW a little bit and got 2 characters to 70 I believe, and although there are tons of QoL and "mandatory" plugins, at least it felt as though the people I saw were still players and present in the gameplay and not some semi afk automated ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Sayo]

Publicado originalmente por Raansu:

Publicado originalmente por Korha4X:

You can see more bots a week under the Limsa aetheryte than what gets banned weekly.
This is the top 3 most played MMO's and they are banning about 5 players for botting specifically and suspending about 40 for each blog post while games like WoW and even Runescape bans more people pretty much daily.

You seem so confident that this is a non issue and people will get banned.
But you had one guy earlier say that he has friends who have used botting software for years and never had issues. My friend who have admitted to botting ocean fishing and other content while afk at work have done so since 2019 and have not been banned.

When you play a gatherer you see a bunch of people every day that flies straight to a spot, mines then immediately mounts and does a instant 90 degree turn and flies directly to a new node.

These are years old lvl 100 accounts with lodestone profiles dating back years and years and isn't banned.

You can enter eureka and see "players" who somehow b lines it across the entire map somehow knowing the location of every hidden coffer on the map and is max level in eureka and isn't banned.

You also said a lot of the plugins are just "QoL" the issue isn't each plugin on a individual level. The issue is that these plugins are advertised on their github page as plugins meant to operate together to create a fully automated experience.

If your telling me that a game that has hundreds of thousands of players only have about 45 bots a week then you are absolutely ignorant. Go on balmung, go outside solution nine and you will see fates being completed by accounts with multiple lvl 100's who is underneath the map where mobs can't attack them.

If you look for them you can find more bots in 1 hour than what the blog post has been able to suspend in a week.

During off peak hours, especially on oceania you can literally find botted fate trains with 20+ characters walking in a identical line farming lvl 100 fates. If there is 20 bots farming fates in 1 instance, how can they only suspend 40 accounts per week. That's barely double than 1 bot fate farm.

Then report them? Make it your life mission since you care so much about something that has almost no impact on players.

Invasive anti cheats are not going to stop RMT bots.

Telling you once again that reports don't do much and are very rarely responded too. Also nice deflection. "There isn't a botting problem and if there was they would get banned and if they don't it's not a problem"

[Sayo]

Publicado originalmente por Raansu:

Publicado originalmente por Korha4X:

We aren't even discussing RMT bots, bro you need to actually read the topic your trying to answer to.

Most traditional botting is done by RMT's. The other crap you're posting isn't botting and honestly you're wasting your time here. The devs don't read the steam forums. Go cry on the official forums.

"The programs that automate everything you do even if you're AFK isn't botting". Solid logic.

[Korha4X]

Publicado originalmente por Raansu:

Publicado originalmente por Korha4X:

We aren't even discussing RMT bots, bro you need to actually read the topic your trying to answer to.

Most traditional botting is done by RMT's. The other crap you're posting isn't botting and honestly you're wasting your time here. The devs don't read the steam forums. Go cry on the official forums.

Hello guys, I am automatically ocean fishing every 2 hours, automatically grinding Trust dungeons while not at my computer. Got my relics without touching my computer and every class to 100 without using my computer. I am also automatically gathering 24/7 flooding the market with materials without touching my computer, all with the help of plugins.


This isn't botting btw because I don't sell Gil to other players.

-Raansu

[Raansu]

Publicado originalmente por Sayo:

Publicado originalmente por Raansu:

Then report them? Make it your life mission since you care so much about something that has almost no impact on players.

Invasive anti cheats are not going to stop RMT bots.

Telling you once again that reports don't do much and are very rarely responded too. Also nice deflection. "There isn't a botting problem and if there was they would get banned and if they don't it's not a problem"

I use the report function fairly often. I promise you, it works.

[Korha4X]

Publicado originalmente por Raansu:

Publicado originalmente por Sayo:

Telling you once again that reports don't do much and are very rarely responded too. Also nice deflection. "There isn't a botting problem and if there was they would get banned and if they don't it's not a problem"

I use the report function fairly often. I promise you, it works.

The link you posted proves otherwise but alright buddy. The words of people who ARE BOTTING is also saying reporting doesn't do anything 99% of the time.

[Sayo]

Publicado originalmente por Raansu:

Publicado originalmente por Sayo:

Telling you once again that reports don't do much and are very rarely responded too. Also nice deflection. "There isn't a botting problem and if there was they would get banned and if they don't it's not a problem"

I use the report function fairly often. I promise you, it works.

Hey I used to also when I played, I can tell you it doesn't.

[Raansu]

Publicado originalmente por Korha4X:

Publicado originalmente por Raansu:

Most traditional botting is done by RMT's. The other crap you're posting isn't botting and honestly you're wasting your time here. The devs don't read the steam forums. Go cry on the official forums.

Hello guys, I am automatically ocean fishing every 2 hours, automatically grinding Trust dungeons while not at my computer. Got my relics without touching my computer and every class to 100 without using my computer. I am also automatically gathering 24/7 flooding the market with materials without touching my computer, all with the help of plugins.


This isn't botting btw because I don't sell Gil to other players.

-Raansu

Oh no! The horror of all these things that have zero impact on other players. Lets totally force invasive kernel level anti cheats that will cause more problems than it will fix because little jimmy auto clicked his way through fishing and farmed relics from a decade ago.

THE HORROR!

[Korha4X]

Publicado originalmente por Raansu:

Publicado originalmente por Korha4X:

Hello guys, I am automatically ocean fishing every 2 hours, automatically grinding Trust dungeons while not at my computer. Got my relics without touching my computer and every class to 100 without using my computer. I am also automatically gathering 24/7 flooding the market with materials without touching my computer, all with the help of plugins.


This isn't botting btw because I don't sell Gil to other players.

-Raansu

Oh no! The horror of all these things that have zero impact on other players. Lets totally force invasive kernel level anti cheats that will cause more problems than it will fix because little jimmy auto clicked his way through fishing and farmed relics from a decade ago.

THE HORROR!

"Zero IMPACT ON OTHER PLAYERS" meanwhile as stated before, even written on their github page. It literally included PvP features to automatically and instantly interupt a LB cast, dodge AoE's from the LB of Dragoon and other classes, emergency heal when low on health and cast guard automatically when it deems the right thing to do with no input from the player. While playing "Player vs Player" omg this has NO IMPACT ON OTHER PLAYERS AT ALL except for the people im killing in ranked CC but they aren't players... Right??


I'm done responding to this dude like for real, at this point im convinced he is using bots and just wants to protect himself.

[Sayo]

Publicado originalmente por Raansu:

Publicado originalmente por Korha4X:

Hello guys, I am automatically ocean fishing every 2 hours, automatically grinding Trust dungeons while not at my computer. Got my relics without touching my computer and every class to 100 without using my computer. I am also automatically gathering 24/7 flooding the market with materials without touching my computer, all with the help of plugins.


This isn't botting btw because I don't sell Gil to other players.

-Raansu

Oh no! The horror of all these things that have zero impact on other players. Lets totally force invasive kernel level anti cheats that will cause more problems than it will fix because little jimmy auto clicked his way through fishing and farmed relics from a decade ago.

THE HORROR!

"There isn't a botting problem and if there was they would get banned and if they don't it's not a problem"

[Sayo]

Publicado originalmente por Korha4X:

I'm done responding to this dude like for real, at this point im convinced he is using bots and just wants to protect himself.

Absolutely nailed it.

[Chashmodai]

the whole obsession with ocean fishing is so funny to me. as if people that are serious about ocean fishing just don't have timers for it. and if I had to choose one place to be between voyages it would be the inn room since it has everything I need.

"And everytime I stood inside any of them while they were fishing, they would automatically stop fishing and move a few meters then fish again. Like some automatic "dont stand near players" reaction."
why in the world would bot makers purposefully make their bots less efficient for something that has no benefits to them what-so-ever? bots don't care if you stand on them. a real player might, however. I would be annoyed too if some weirdo came up and stood right where I was standing.

[Korha4X]

Publicado originalmente por Chashmodai:

the whole obsession with ocean fishing is so funny to me. as if people that are serious about ocean fishing just don't have timers for it. and if I had to choose one place to be between voyages it would be the inn room since it has everything I need.

"And everytime I stood inside any of them while they were fishing, they would automatically stop fishing and move a few meters then fish again. Like some automatic "dont stand near players" reaction."
why in the world would bot makers purposefully make their bots less efficient for something that has no benefits to them what-so-ever? bots don't care if you stand on them. a real player might, however. I would be annoyed too if some weirdo came up and stood right where I was standing.

Install the ocean fishing plugin, I forgot the name of it right now and there's a maint up, maybe it was GatherBuddy. But it literally has a toggle to "Avoid fishing near players"

And focus on ocean fishing? If you look at the thread it also brings up Automatic Trusts, gathering, fate farming underneath the map, auto retainers, auto grand company, systems to give you a rather serious advantage in pvp and the list continues.

With descriptions of said plugins taken straight from their github pages.

[Chashmodai]

Publicado originalmente por Korha4X:

Publicado originalmente por Chashmodai:

the whole obsession with ocean fishing is so funny to me. as if people that are serious about ocean fishing just don't have timers for it. and if I had to choose one place to be between voyages it would be the inn room since it has everything I need.

"And everytime I stood inside any of them while they were fishing, they would automatically stop fishing and move a few meters then fish again. Like some automatic "dont stand near players" reaction."
why in the world would bot makers purposefully make their bots less efficient for something that has no benefits to them what-so-ever? bots don't care if you stand on them. a real player might, however. I would be annoyed too if some weirdo came up and stood right where I was standing.

Install the ocean fishing plugin, I forgot the name of it right now and there's a maint up, maybe it was GatherBuddy. But it literally has a toggle to "Avoid fishing near players"

gatherbuddy doesn't do anything except show you gathering/fishing timers. it doesn't gather or fish for you.

i find it a bit suspicious that you have such knowledge of all these tools. almost like you've used them yourself. or did you try to set up some botting for yourself, failed to make it work and is now salty?

[Korha4X]

Publicado originalmente por Chashmodai:

Publicado originalmente por Korha4X:

Install the ocean fishing plugin, I forgot the name of it right now and there's a maint up, maybe it was GatherBuddy. But it literally has a toggle to "Avoid fishing near players"

gatherbuddy doesn't do anything except show you gathering/fishing timers. it doesn't gather or fish for you.

i find it a bit suspicious that you have such knowledge of all these tools. almost like you've used them yourself. or did you try to set up some botting for yourself, failed to make it work and is now salty?

It's almost like you can do research, and look into a topic before posting about it online. Compared to the die hard defenders in this thread.

Here you are as well, with multiple names and sources for pure automatic botting through dalamud yet you try to paint me as the bad guy. Scared of losing your IMVU character as well?

I'm pretty sure in every other multiplayer community these things would be frowned upon yet somehow everyone in this forum is a die hard defender of these things. Either summarizing it as "QoL" features or that it simply doesn't affect your gameplay.

Even though it directly affects market prices, RMT, PvP, how many World First's cheating drama moments have we had thus far? the list goes on.

But by all means, target the person wanting Square to actually get rid of all this ♥♥♥♥ and actually build the integrity of the game.


I also said I thought it was Called GatherBuddy not that I knew if it was. A quick google search brought up AutoHook that fishes for you as well, so there's that. 3 seconds of research.

[Chashmodai]

i dunno man, out of all the people on this forum I haven't seen anyone directly advertise botting plugins like you have. almost like you want people to use them. especially when done on a forum that square enix almost certainly does not monitor.

one thing to research plugins and another to name them and all their features. i suspect the latter might even be a bannable offence on steam