Dawntrail " Mostly Negative" 💀 Congrats Yoshi P

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Guess this is what happens when the game director works at an MMO, AAA Game and Mobile game at the same time.

[Mellowfungus]

So one of the biggest criticisms for FF14 right now is how stagnant the games systems, designs and overall direction is. So you can imagine my surprise when I see positive reviews that say this...

"this is actually one of the best expansions the games had up to this point, the little dork baby fans are just scared of change"

"scared of change"

People who like this expansion don't know why they like it. They don't know the reasons others don't like it, so they literally just make something up. They don't know whats going on in the game they supposedly like.

At this point, I'm convinced they don't even know where they are or what year they are in, maybe they don't even know their own names.

[Vlad Krapula]

Mellowfungus původně napsal:

So one of the biggest criticisms for FF14 right now is how stagnant the games systems, designs and overall direction is. So you can imagine my surprise when I see positive reviews that say this...

"this is actually one of the best expansions the games had up to this point, the little dork baby fans are just scared of change"

"scared of change"

People who like this expansion don't know why they like it. They don't know the reasons others don't like it, so they literally just make something up. They don't know whats going on in the game they supposedly like.

At this point, I'm convinced they don't even know where they are or what year they are in, maybe they don't even know their own names.

1. they are a furry 2. they like immature writing 3. they mental boomed to aggro, tp etc. and harder to play classes etc. 4. they call every removed system qol which doesn't make any sense.
Infantile design.

[Extra Big Swimjim with Cheese]

Vlad Krapula původně napsal:

1. they are a furry 2. they like immature writing 3. they mental boomed to aggro, tp etc. and harder to play classes etc. 4. they call every removed system qol which doesn't make any sense.
Infantile design.

This response reeks of gatekeeping and condescension. It throws around sweeping generalizations ("they are a furry," "infantile design") without any meaningful critique of the actual content or systems in Final Fantasy XIV: Dawntrail. Dismissing an entire group of people based on subjective opinions about their preferences or perceived skill level isn't an argument—it's just an attempt to mock others to feel superior.

The use of phrases like "mental boomed" and "infantile design" suggests they're more interested in appearing edgy or provocative than engaging in a substantive discussion. It's the kind of rhetoric that prioritizes snark over analysis, and it doesn't really add value to the conversation beyond stirring the pot.

[bibron]

War Maiden původně napsal:

Chashmodai původně napsal:

this is just straight up false. i don't know how old you are, but unless you are Gen Z, your age group is less educated than today's youth.

Oh really? How very interesting.
So, "straight up false", how? What country are you from?
I assume, since your EN is pretty good you're American, yes?
If not, please correct me.

You do not have to know my age to realize that 'Education' in the Western world has declined by a significant margin. Why? Because the people, not the 'actual' education, has become lax. People whom do not 'champion' their countries growth, or its ascension, are doomed to watch it decline. Many countries, it seems, just want to be stagnant, with no upward mobility, and no meaningful growth toward a better than it was/is country for it's children, or future generations. Most of them, especially those whom control certain industries, care little to nothing about the future, they only live in the 'now'. Why? Because by their mentality, they wont be around to watch the world burn, so why should they care if it dies a few hundred years away. Live in luxury, die that way, apparently.

This is also why people of illicit, and self-serving personality gain Leadership in said countries, because the people are either too lax, or, more likely, are too busy with real life issues propagated by those of that 'institution' to be able to fight back, because certain stop blocks, policies, rules, laws or a myriad of other things have been put into place to stagnate growth, and the capability to fight back against said 'institution'.

What are you taliing about?
Are you high or something?
It's very hard to understand your point.

Where I live, my generation (I'm 40 next year) is much more educated than those of my parents and grand parents.
We had access to university and similar institutions, most of our parents not.`

Everything after us has even more and much easier access to knowledge.

So why do you think people now are much less educated than people from lets say my parents generation, when knowledge is much easier to access?

[Chashmodai]

War Maiden původně napsal:

Chashmodai původně napsal:

this is just straight up false. i don't know how old you are, but unless you are Gen Z, your age group is less educated than today's youth.

Oh really? How very interesting.
So, "straight up false", how? What country are you from?
I assume, since your EN is pretty good you're American, yes?
If not, please correct me.

You do not have to know my age to realize that 'Education' in the Western world has declined by a significant margin. Why? Because the people, not the 'actual' education, has become lax. People whom do not 'champion' their countries growth, or its ascension, are doomed to watch it decline. Many countries, it seems, just want to be stagnant, with no upward mobility, and no meaningful growth toward a better than it was/is country for it's children, or future generations. Most of them, especially those whom control certain industries, care little to nothing about the future, they only live in the 'now'. Why? Because by their mentality, they wont be around to watch the world burn, so why should they care if it dies a few hundred years away. Live in luxury, die that way, apparently.

This is also why people of illicit, and self-serving personality gain Leadership in said countries, because the people are either too lax, or, more likely, are too busy with real life issues propagated by those of that 'institution' to be able to fight back, because certain stop blocks, policies, rules, laws or a myriad of other things have been put into place to stagnate growth, and the capability to fight back against said 'institution'.

false because statistically, the percentage of youth going into higher education keep rising with every generation. there is not much to argue about. it is just statistics.

and no, thankfully i am not american.

[causality]

Hold up, I was joking in my initial post. Are you guys really going on about ageism now?

[Gentle Nobody]

causality původně napsal:

Hold up, I was joking in my initial post. Are you guys really going on about ageism now? :lunar2019piginablanket:

*stops sharpening the knive* but I thought you... that it was... but I... gee those damn younglings

[Sunny]

I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids and your stupid dog.

[MOSLEY]

Mellowfungus původně napsal:

So one of the biggest criticisms for FF14 right now is how stagnant the games systems, designs and overall direction is. So you can imagine my surprise when I see positive reviews that say this...

"this is actually one of the best expansions the games had up to this point, the little dork baby fans are just scared of change"

"scared of change"

People who like this expansion don't know why they like it. They don't know the reasons others don't like it, so they literally just make something up. They don't know whats going on in the game they supposedly like.

At this point, I'm convinced they don't even know where they are or what year they are in, maybe they don't even know their own names.

MSQ Andys.

By "change" they mean Wuk Lamat and they think the MSQ being terrible is the only reason that people are unhappy with the game at the minute.

[causality]

MOSLEY původně napsal:

Mellowfungus původně napsal:

So one of the biggest criticisms for FF14 right now is how stagnant the games systems, designs and overall direction is. So you can imagine my surprise when I see positive reviews that say this...

"this is actually one of the best expansions the games had up to this point, the little dork baby fans are just scared of change"

"scared of change"

People who like this expansion don't know why they like it. They don't know the reasons others don't like it, so they literally just make something up. They don't know whats going on in the game they supposedly like.

At this point, I'm convinced they don't even know where they are or what year they are in, maybe they don't even know their own names.

MSQ Andys.

By "change" they mean Wuk Lamat and they think the MSQ being terrible is the only reason that people are unhappy with the game at the minute.

You can't appease everyone and SE/CB3 shouldn't try to. I enjoyed DT, I liked the extremes, savages and still blind progging the ultimate without guides/videos/plogons. I feel like I got my money's worth and I'm not stuck on the hedonistic hamster trap wheel or foam at the mouth whenever a fictional character is on my screen.

[Mellowfungus]

causality původně napsal:

MOSLEY původně napsal:

MSQ Andys.

By "change" they mean Wuk Lamat and they think the MSQ being terrible is the only reason that people are unhappy with the game at the minute.

You can't appease everyone and SE/CB3 shouldn't try to. I enjoyed DT, I liked the extremes, savages and still blind progging the ultimate without guides/videos/plogons. I feel like I got my money's worth and I'm not stuck on the hedonistic hamster trap wheel or foam at the mouth whenever a fictional character is on my screen. :winter2019cooldog:

"You can't appease everyone"

I always think about people like you and have a chuckle about these sorta statements every-time I think about things like Viera still note being able to wear hats despite it being years since Shadowbringers was released.

Modders somehow figured it out, SquareEnix just can't seem to do it though. Must be because they are such a small indie team with so little resources....

[causality]

Mellowfungus původně napsal:

causality původně napsal:

You can't appease everyone and SE/CB3 shouldn't try to. I enjoyed DT, I liked the extremes, savages and still blind progging the ultimate without guides/videos/plogons. I feel like I got my money's worth and I'm not stuck on the hedonistic hamster trap wheel or foam at the mouth whenever a fictional character is on my screen.

"You can't appease everyone"

I always think about people like you and have a chuckle about these sorta statements every-time I think about things like Viera still note being able to wear hats despite it being years since Shadowbringers was released.

Modders somehow figured it out, SquareEnix just can't seem to do it though. Must be because they are such a small indie team with so little resources....

And yet the game grew by the millions post ShB. Clearly SE/CB3 figured something out to the trick to success. I'm guessing your hats just aren't part of their game plan or 'modders' (are they really modders in the first place or just copy pasting?) are doing fine work for a multi billion yen corporation, sorry.

[Vlad Krapula]

causality původně napsal:

Mellowfungus původně napsal:

"You can't appease everyone"

I always think about people like you and have a chuckle about these sorta statements every-time I think about things like Viera still note being able to wear hats despite it being years since Shadowbringers was released.

Modders somehow figured it out, SquareEnix just can't seem to do it though. Must be because they are such a small indie team with so little resources....

And yet the game grew by the millions post ShB. Clearly SE/CB3 figured something out to the trick to success. I'm guessing your hats just aren't part of their game plan or 'modders' (are they really modders in the first place or just copy pasting?) are doing fine work for a multi billion yen corporation, sorry. :Juna:

What they figured out was wow exodus. After that mod usage also exploded. True the game was growing as well but lets be honest that the player numbers would not be even close to what they are now if that didn't happen

[Omnipotencia]

Nihil sub sole novum původně napsal:

I was going to write out this big long explanation but then Mr. Mellow above me just nailed all the same points I was going to make.

As for my opinion about the state of Dawntrail: I still do not understand how we ended up here, Shadowbringers was amazing, Endwalker was great, Then suddenly we get not just the worst story yet in ffxiv but one of the worst stories in Final Fantasy period. How did we get here?

It is so bad that I have completely gone past hate and well into apathy, Maybe I am just a pessimist but I can not see any way they salvage this and I do not have the passion left to hope or hate.

the foundation was layed for arr not only did they come in from a previous story that they nuked out of existence but they made that a story point and ran with it, the new story is literally we need something new what could that be? which i assume is them just laying down the story for the next event arc, the others already has event arcs to play off this expansion i assume doesnt, no secret stuff hiding in the land we just saved, we are just in a new place new time i assume, havnt even played it yet gonna play it either when next expansion comes or if it goes more on sale, but yeh this was never gonna be Endwalker, maybe since it was starting new they shouldve expanded it a bit more who knows, but if they skipped this and went to the next expansion everyone would just be complaining they dont know anything

[Mellowfungus]

Vlad Krapula původně napsal:

causality původně napsal:

And yet the game grew by the millions post ShB. Clearly SE/CB3 figured something out to the trick to success. I'm guessing your hats just aren't part of their game plan or 'modders' (are they really modders in the first place or just copy pasting?) are doing fine work for a multi billion yen corporation, sorry. :Juna:

What they figured out was wow exodus. After that mod usage also exploded. True the game was growing as well but lets be honest that the player numbers would not be even close to what they are now if that didn't happen

Shhh! Don't tell him stuff like that, it'll burst his "I love FF14 and Yoshi-P is perfect" bubble.

Yeah, their "Success" was highly dependent on someone else's failure. Also, I don't know how beneficial it is for SquareEnix to continue to be outdone by some random modder who make things for FF14 in their spare time.

The modder discussion is probably the funniest because some dudes in their basements can implement features that SquareEnix needs years to figure out and release, despite their resources.

The game is in an unhealthy state because now that the story is seen as bad, the player-base cannot ignore the other parts of the game that are worse then their competitors. everything from their PVP to the subpar open world design (And everything in-between).

No shiney jangly keys of a story means no "Bread and circus" to distract everyone from the other parts of the game.