ABout the Paladin magic spells

[The Ultimate Despair]

I need to ask, I'm currently PLD 78 but I struggle to find a real use to the offensive spells like Holy spiriot or Holy circle when in reality I use my MP more to ensure everyone stays healed up, I feel like the cast time the offensive magic requires just isn't worth it and I'm considering taking them out of my precious bars. If someone who mains Paladin could give me some insight on this I'd appreciate it since I cannot seem to find any good infos on that.

[Prince-Nyan]

Originally posted by Joan of Memes:

You're allowed your opinions and views, however mine won't change. With how long I have been playing this game

You wanted to remove spirit and circle from your hotbar and questioned why use it, don't pretend you're experienced. If confident in yourself, you'd drop your name/server for people to look at your logs. Otherwise, it's best to stop pretending you know better with all these bad takes.

[Blue Thunder]

Originally posted by Joan of Memes:

You're allowed your opinions and views, however mine won't change. With how long I have been playing this game, I can spot someone that just wants to ditch its role and doesn't do what they have to do. If you want to be a DPS, then be a DPS. Don't put your tank in a situation where they feel that they have to take matters into their own hands. Just because they heal doesn't give them a magic pass to do whatever they want. If you think that prolonging the fight by 30 seconds is the end of the world, then stick to high end duty and you can then comment on people's behaviours. In the meantime, when I run roulettes and content with completely random people, no I am not going to trust them as they haven't done anything to deserve that trust, and letting the tank's hp drop that low doesn't make me trust them. Now this topic is closed. You made your view clear and so did I. Thanks for the discussion.

You were about to ditch 2 of your core skills at high level because according to your opinion you found no use for them because you prefer to heal yourself or others than dealing damage, which is sub-optimal play. We came here offering advise on what you should actually attempt to do instead. Holy Spirit and Holy Circle are a big part of your damage potential as a Paladin, and that is further increased at 80 when you obtain Confiteor, your most damaging nuke skill that sits at 1200 potency on all enemies it hits. You respond us by simply saying "I'll keep playing the way I want" and "won't trust healers who DPS", further emphasizing that you are not considering our advise one bit nor feel the need to improve your play. Your argument reminds me of the same as the one in which healers only stand still and cast occasional healing spells, or DPS who only use half their rotation and don't feel like improving even when given advise or suggestions on how to do better.

My point which I argued yesterday still stands: A Healer only needs to keep you alive, if that means you are constantly sitting at 10% or less, but never die, and we factor you were brave enough to not pop Clemency, then the healer is doing it's job properly. Lastly, if you like healing so much as a Paladin, why not ditch the blue icon for a green one? Play healer instead if you want to heal so much.

[Om3ga-Z3ro]

Originally posted by Joan of Memes:

Originally posted by Om3ga-Z3ro:

No, the blame is on you, you are prolonging the fight and not putting your trust on the healer, the blame is on the healer if he failed to keep you alive, all that matters is for as long as you are still alive, the healer did his job. Their job is to make sure that you are still alive, not keep your health up at 100% so you can stay in telegraphs.

You're allowed your opinions and views, however mine won't change. With how long I have been playing this game, I can spot someone that just wants to ditch its role and doesn't do what they have to do. If you want to be a DPS, then be a DPS. Don't put your tank in a situation where they feel that they have to take matters into their own hands. Just because they heal doesn't give them a magic pass to do whatever they want. If you think that prolonging the fight by 30 seconds is the end of the world, then stick to high end duty and you can then comment on people's behaviours. In the meantime, when I run roulettes and content with completely random people, no I am not going to trust them as they haven't done anything to deserve that trust, and letting the tank's hp drop that low doesn't make me trust them. Now this topic is closed. You made your view clear and so did I. Thanks for the discussion.

You sound like a great person to run dungeons with.
The Healers should switch to DPS argument can be said about you as a PLD
If you want to be healing then switch to Healer.

[The Ultimate Despair]

Wow. I came here especially to ask about them. I read what you people said and I went to do tests for myself and I did add them to my bar because I judged that it was useful­. Misunderstanding a class is a thing that can happen.

Seeing someone refuse to heal you just because they want to DPS, is another thing altogether. If you prefer see a tank die then having to waste time to raise them and then people take damage, then that is your problem. If I see a healer that REFUSES to heal, then no, no they are not doing their job. Seriously, why am I even answering still.

[The Ultimate Despair]

Originally posted by Om3ga-Z3ro:

Originally posted by Joan of Memes:

You're allowed your opinions and views, however mine won't change. With how long I have been playing this game, I can spot someone that just wants to ditch its role and doesn't do what they have to do. If you want to be a DPS, then be a DPS. Don't put your tank in a situation where they feel that they have to take matters into their own hands. Just because they heal doesn't give them a magic pass to do whatever they want. If you think that prolonging the fight by 30 seconds is the end of the world, then stick to high end duty and you can then comment on people's behaviours. In the meantime, when I run roulettes and content with completely random people, no I am not going to trust them as they haven't done anything to deserve that trust, and letting the tank's hp drop that low doesn't make me trust them. Now this topic is closed. You made your view clear and so did I. Thanks for the discussion.

You sound like a great person to run dungeons with.
The Healers should switch to DPS argument can be said about you as a PLD
If you want to be healing then switch to Healer.

I play this game extremely well, thank you. If the healer doesn't want to heal, then no they are not doing their job. I have this magical tool to keep me alive in these case.
On this I am done with this topic.

[Kiana]

Originally posted by Joan of Memes:

Seeing someone refuse to heal you just because they want to DPS, is another thing altogether. If you prefer see a tank die then having to waste time to raise them and then people take damage, then that is your problem. If I see a healer that REFUSES to heal, then no, no they are not doing their job. Seriously, why am I even answering still.

That's a nice strawman you've built for yourself there... At what point did healers "refusing" to heal factor into this discussion? You were told, rightfully, that the paladin damage spells are an important part of the job's rotation and why clemency should only be used in a very narrow set of circumstances.

The problem is that you're misunderstanding how healers are intended to work. This is Final Fantasy XIV. Every player is expected to contribute damage. The hall of novices tutorial even explicitly tells players that if nobody needs healing, cast damaging spells.

The definition of "needs healing" is "will survive." It is not "at full health." Healers also gain a wealth of clutch healing options as they level, such as benediction to instantly heal a target to full health. Those aren't "emergency" heals, to save until some desperate moment when everything has gone wrong. Just like hallowed ground shouldn't be held in reserve an entire run. It's a tool, to be planned around and used regularly.

You keep scooting the goalpost of the discussion to justify your frequent use of it, and pin it all on some healer boogeyman that is cackling with glee as you health sinks to 0. So let me ask: Who hurt you, to make you think that's the norm?

[Blue Thunder]

Originally posted by Joan of Memes:

I play this game extremely well, thank you. If the healer doesn't want to heal, then no they are not doing their job. I have this magical tool to keep me alive in these case.
On this I am done with this topic.

I wonder how the situation would be if instead of Paladin, you played any of the other 3 tanks who don't have a spammable healing spell that works on everybody. Most likely more often than not you would have ended up seeing that the healer is in control of the situation, and that people sitting at 50% HP on a dungeon boss are nowhere near in danger of dying of possible upcoming raidwide damage and are most likely simply saving their tools to maximize healing while dispensing high caliber Afflatus Misery uppon ignorant bosses.

[Azurda]

Lmao, another one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pld, panicking because healers doesn't spam GCD heals on him after every auto, playing "extremely well" and not listening to any advice. My man is in for some real surprise if he will even wander into hl content.

[󠀡󠀡nishy]

Guys, this is clearly a troll OP with his troll buddy Caz, come on. You took the bait way too hard. Click on OPs profile and good ole Caz left a comment 5 months ago about another one of OPs posts that got locked.

Nobody is as stupid as those two have acted in this thread.

[The Ultimate Despair]

Originally posted by Blue Thunder:

Originally posted by Joan of Memes:

I play this game extremely well, thank you. If the healer doesn't want to heal, then no they are not doing their job. I have this magical tool to keep me alive in these case.
On this I am done with this topic.

I wonder how the situation would be if instead of Paladin, you played any of the other 3 tanks who don't have a spammable healing spell that works on everybody. Most likely more often than not you would have ended up seeing that the healer is in control of the situation, and that people sitting at 50% HP on a dungeon boss are nowhere near in danger of dying of possible upcoming raidwide damage and are most likely simply saving their tools to maximize healing while dispensing high caliber Afflatus Misery uppon ignorant bosses.

Can you read though? I didn't say 50%. I said 10%. If I drop to 10% constantly while using my cooldowns, then no, sorry they are definitely NOT doing their job.

[The Ultimate Despair]

Originally posted by 胸いっぱい:

Guys, this is clearly a troll OP with his troll buddy Caz, come on. You took the bait way too hard. Click on OPs profile and good ole Caz left a comment 5 months ago about another one of OPs posts that got locked.

Nobody is as stupid as those two have acted in this thread.

Excuse me? 'buddy'? How exactly is Caz my 'buddy'? I don't even know them. If you come here to talk ♥♥♥♥, then better ♥♥♥♥ off.

[The Ultimate Despair]

Originally posted by Azurda:

Lmao, another one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pld, panicking because healers doesn't spam GCD heals on him after every auto, playing "extremely well" and not listening to any advice. My man is in for some real surprise if he will even wander into hl content.

Okay, here we go again. Instead of reading what I am saying and trying to understand, you come here to talk ♥♥♥♥. I'm done with you people.

[The Ultimate Despair]

OKay, this has to be said. Clearly.

I DID listen to advices about my rotation. I did lack knowledge about something, and I learned from it.
HOWEVER, none of you get to start talking ♥♥♥♥ to me for no reason like this. You have your personal views and I have mine. I disagree with your stance and you know what? I am entitled to. If my healer rather spend all their time doing dps and letting me drop to the point that a fart kills me, then no, no they ARE NOT doing their job. Its simple as that. What is a healer's main job again? Oh. That's right. HEALING. You can DPS when your tank and everyone else is healthy. 10% HP, is NOT healthy. Fact. Thank you.
If you want to come at me and insult me and be toxic, then you can ♥♥♥♥ right off. You people have been toxic for 4 pages insulting one another when someone DARES to disagree with you, so you know what? Go back to your toxic elitistic groups. In the meantime, I will kepe playing the way I have played for AGES, which clearly is fine considering no one has never had a single thing to say about my tanking. Cause guess what? The world does not revolve around your personal opinions.

[󠀡󠀡nishy]

Originally posted by Joan of Memes:

Originally posted by Blue Thunder:

I wonder how the situation would be if instead of Paladin, you played any of the other 3 tanks who don't have a spammable healing spell that works on everybody. Most likely more often than not you would have ended up seeing that the healer is in control of the situation, and that people sitting at 50% HP on a dungeon boss are nowhere near in danger of dying of possible upcoming raidwide damage and are most likely simply saving their tools to maximize healing while dispensing high caliber Afflatus Misery uppon ignorant bosses.

Can you read though? I didn't say 50%. I said 10%. If I drop to 10% constantly while using my cooldowns, then no, sorry they are definitely NOT doing their job.

If you honestly believe that being at 10% health without dying is bad, then you're a bad player. There is no excuse. Cry more.

[The Ultimate Despair]

Originally posted by 胸いっぱい:

Originally posted by Joan of Memes:

Can you read though? I didn't say 50%. I said 10%. If I drop to 10% constantly while using my cooldowns, then no, sorry they are definitely NOT doing their job.

If you honestly believe that being at 10% health without dying is bad, then you're a bad player. There is no excuse. Cry more.

Okay, you are a moron. See ya.