The combat is slow and boring change my mind

[Zachward97]

First off this is not a troll post but with as much hype as there has been around this game I just dont get it, the story is good so far all be it I am only touched the tip of the iceberg so far being im lvl 15. But as far as the combat goes its just classic tab targeting thats been used for over a decade can someone help me understand why people think FFXIV is the bees knees of MMO's. I am more pumped for New world more then anything these days that game seems some what fresh.

[tankanidis]

years ago i gave up on FF due to the 'slow' combat (tried a rogue, didnt make it past mid 20's)

This time around i picked Marauder - > Warrior and the combat didn't bother me at all (coming in from TBC Classic)

There's a lot to do in the fights with positioning/planning/skills off the cooldown that you don't notice the GCD much past 50

I'm really glad i stuck it out this time around, FF14 has some really awesome elements to it that sucks you in, havn't had this much fun in an MMO in YEARS

[Schizovoker]

引用自 tankanidis：

years ago i gave up on FF due to the 'slow' combat (tried a rogue, didnt make it past mid 20's)

This time around i picked Marauder - > Warrior and the combat didn't bother me at all (coming in from TBC Classic)

There's a lot to do in the fights with positioning/planning/skills off the cooldown that you don't notice the GCD much past 50

I'm really glad i stuck it out this time around, FF14 has some really awesome elements to it that sucks you in, havn't had this much fun in an MMO in YEARS

How is TBC classic? I almost got sucked back in - almost.

[tankanidis]

引用自 smug anime girl：

引用自 tankanidis：

years ago i gave up on FF due to the 'slow' combat (tried a rogue, didnt make it past mid 20's)

This time around i picked Marauder - > Warrior and the combat didn't bother me at all (coming in from TBC Classic)

There's a lot to do in the fights with positioning/planning/skills off the cooldown that you don't notice the GCD much past 50

I'm really glad i stuck it out this time around, FF14 has some really awesome elements to it that sucks you in, havn't had this much fun in an MMO in YEARS

How is TBC classic? I almost got sucked back in - almost.

It's fun for a hot minute, then it dries up extremely quickly once you finish your dungeons and its time for raids etc

You struggle to do leveling dungeons in real groups because everyone and their mother is getting boosted by mages for gold, so do you quest or give up and get boosted too?

The min/max culture of the re-hashed 15 year old game means everyone is so max dps focused that if you are not part of the meta you need to make your own teams or not get accepted into any groups which is not what TBC had first time around

You cant get a tank to pug your dungeons unless you bribe with gold so it slows down dramatically (or you cave and make your own tank)

The hour long queues for PVP horde side (sorta fixed with merc horde v horde) also drained enthusiasm

It just seemed like every choice there was against a wall of 'unfun' which isnt what you want in your gaming hobby so its really easy to logout and not bother logging back in


Also, there's a sort of ingrained 'sucks to be you' culture that doesn't inspire you to stick around

Which is a big part of what is refreshing in FF14

A lot more positive vibes here

[Walkerk19]

It sucks seeing what Mike Kern work's with classic turned into another problem by Blizzard

[Schizovoker]

引用自 tankanidis：

引用自 smug anime girl：

How is TBC classic? I almost got sucked back in - almost.

It's fun for a hot minute, then it dries up extremely quickly once you finish your dungeons and its time for raids etc

You struggle to do leveling dungeons in real groups because everyone and their mother is getting boosted by mages for gold, so do you quest or give up and get boosted too?

The min/max culture of the re-hashed 15 year old game means everyone is so max dps focused that if you are not part of the meta you need to make your own teams or not get accepted into any groups which is not what TBC had first time around

You cant get a tank to pug your dungeons unless you bribe with gold so it slows down dramatically (or you cave and make your own tank)

The hour long queues for PVP horde side (sorta fixed with merc horde v horde) also drained enthusiasm

It just seemed like every choice there was against a wall of 'unfun' which isnt what you want in your gaming hobby so its really easy to logout and not bother logging back in


Also, there's a sort of ingrained 'sucks to be you' culture that doesn't inspire you to stick around

Which is a big part of what is refreshing in FF14

A lot more positive vibes here

So, big question on my mind is how did they handle the start of it?

I thought the best way to go about it would be for players to have been able to copy their character from the classic realm to the TBC realm and play both separately.

(don't tell me that classic is just over and there are no more 1-60 classic servers after all the years it took to get them)

or did they make it so everyone starts over at level 1 and it's a mad rush to get 60 to do TBC? If that's the case, that would be a much different start to the expansion than the first time around, though honestly I got the impression that as time went on they stopped caring about classic being as-faithful-as-possible recreation of how the game was in 2004.

[tankanidis]

引用自 smug anime girl：

引用自 tankanidis：

It's fun for a hot minute, then it dries up extremely quickly once you finish your dungeons and its time for raids etc

You struggle to do leveling dungeons in real groups because everyone and their mother is getting boosted by mages for gold, so do you quest or give up and get boosted too?

The min/max culture of the re-hashed 15 year old game means everyone is so max dps focused that if you are not part of the meta you need to make your own teams or not get accepted into any groups which is not what TBC had first time around

You cant get a tank to pug your dungeons unless you bribe with gold so it slows down dramatically (or you cave and make your own tank)

The hour long queues for PVP horde side (sorta fixed with merc horde v horde) also drained enthusiasm

It just seemed like every choice there was against a wall of 'unfun' which isnt what you want in your gaming hobby so its really easy to logout and not bother logging back in


Also, there's a sort of ingrained 'sucks to be you' culture that doesn't inspire you to stick around

Which is a big part of what is refreshing in FF14

A lot more positive vibes here

So, big question on my mind is how did they handle the start of it?

I thought the best way to go about it would be for players to have been able to copy their character from the classic realm to the TBC realm and play both separately.

(don't tell me that classic is just over and there are no more 1-60 classic servers after all the years it took to get them)

or did they make it so everyone starts over at level 1 and it's a mad rush to get 60 to do TBC? If that's the case, that would be a much different start to the expansion than the first time around, though honestly I got the impression that as time went on they stopped caring about classic being as-faithful-as-possible recreation of how the game was in 2004.

When you login first time you have to make a choice: 1) go to TBC (nothing changes, its the default) and carry on with your leveling (even if you are level 1 character etc) or 2) stay in default classic (noone picked this, Classic is dead now)

You can also pay Activision a fee to clone your character so you have both of the 2 options above (whichever you didnt choose first time) at same time (there's no point in classic when tbc replaced it)

there are no fresh servers for TBC Classic, there are no fresh Classic servers

Everything is a continuation

[Schizovoker]

引用自 tankanidis：

引用自 smug anime girl：

So, big question on my mind is how did they handle the start of it?

I thought the best way to go about it would be for players to have been able to copy their character from the classic realm to the TBC realm and play both separately.

(don't tell me that classic is just over and there are no more 1-60 classic servers after all the years it took to get them)

or did they make it so everyone starts over at level 1 and it's a mad rush to get 60 to do TBC? If that's the case, that would be a much different start to the expansion than the first time around, though honestly I got the impression that as time went on they stopped caring about classic being as-faithful-as-possible recreation of how the game was in 2004.

You can also pay Activision a fee to clone your character so you have both of the 2 options above (whichever you didnt choose first time) at same time (there's no point in classic when tbc replaced it)

LOL

[duEprocEss]

引用自 Zachward97：

That honestly sounds great, its a shame that you have to go through so much story to get to that point.

And there it is. In case you haven't noticed, this is a Final Fantasy game. It seems like you're only here because you let yourself be influenced by a YouTuber. If you're not here for Final Fantasy, then this isn't the game for you.

[Malfeasance]

引用自 Walkerk19：

It sucks seeing what Mike Kern work's with classic turned into another problem by Blizzard

Yeah this is partly why any hype I had for WotLK classic died awhile back. I just can't in good faith support them anymore between doing their utmost to monetize the classics and the absolute disaster that is Shadowlands (and was BFA). At this point I'm fully expecting D4 to be another D3-level disaster as well.

[Nico Yazawa]

引用自 duEprocEss：

引用自 Zachward97：

That honestly sounds great, its a shame that you have to go through so much story to get to that point.

And there it is. In case you haven't noticed, this is a Final Fantasy game. It seems like you're only here because you let yourself be influenced by a YouTuber. If you're not here for Final Fantasy, then this isn't the game for you.

Look man, you can be a Final Fantasy fan and still think this game has too much fluff.

When I play FFX, I'm not in a cutscene 90% of the time and only playing 10% of the time.

[Weasel699]

its like any other mmo dude slow at first then you unlock more as you go

[Schizovoker]

引用自 Weasel699：

its like any other mmo dude slow at first then you unlock more as you go

half true. it's way slower than most mmos but true that it does pick up eventually (after like 70% of the leveling experience)

[Walkerk19]

引用自 Malfeasance：

引用自 Walkerk19：

It sucks seeing what Mike Kern work's with classic turned into another problem by Blizzard

Yeah this is partly why any hype I had for WotLK classic died awhile back. I just can't in good faith support them anymore between doing their utmost to monetize the classics and the absolute disaster that is Shadowlands (and was BFA). At this point I'm fully expecting D4 to be another D3-level disaster as well.

I like how they spin it off as "See? We told you it didn't work. Players don't know whats good for them"

This is the reason why players started to jump ship from WoW.

[Schizovoker]

引用自 Walkerk19：

引用自 Malfeasance：

Yeah this is partly why any hype I had for WotLK classic died awhile back. I just can't in good faith support them anymore between doing their utmost to monetize the classics and the absolute disaster that is Shadowlands (and was BFA). At this point I'm fully expecting D4 to be another D3-level disaster as well.

I like how they spin it off as "See? We told you it didn't work. Players don't know whats good for them"

This is the reason why players started to jump ship from WoW.

yeah the situation with classic, when I used to care and pay attention felt to me that there were 2 sides at blizzard in regards to it, a side that genuinely wanted to do this and were excited to bring those memories back and make them playable, and a side that felt that it should be left in the past (and also were afraid it would be successful enough that it proved they lead the game in the wrong direction) but was forced to go along with it because it would clearly be profitable.

[Walkerk19]

引用自 smug anime girl：

yeah the situation with classic, when I used to care and pay attention felt to me that there were 2 sides at blizzard in regards to it, a side that genuinely wanted to do this and were excited to bring those memories back and make them playable, and a side that felt that it should be left in the past (and also were afraid it would be successful enough that it proved they lead the game in the wrong direction) but was forced to go along with it because it would clearly be profitable.

You are not wrong. The side who pushed the classic already left the company by this time.
All we got left are the later side.

Even Mark Kern now started playing FFXIV. He's been actively talking about this on twitter.
Classic wouldn't happen if Mark didn't actively collect petition from players and staff who demanded, and pushed it to the higher up.